Firefox 3.5

[kubicle]

Re: Firefox 3.5

One thing I do not understand is why installing firefox-3.5 needs to pull synaptic.

Because the package recommends ubufox, which depends on apturl, which depends on synaptic.

Personally I think installing recommends by default is a pain most of time, fortunately you can skip installing recommends by using:

sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox-3.5

[GilGib]

Re: Firefox 3.5

I installed Firefox 3.5 on my second computer using instructions from this link. It seems like the best method I have found so far.
http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/193/in...u-the-easy-way

[undoIT]

Re: Firefox 3.5

Personally I think installing recommends by default is a pain most of time, fortunately you can skip installing recommends by using:

sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox-3.5

Perfect! Thanks for that. I was wondering why Adept was pulling so many dependencies compared to Firefox 3.0.

[tomp01]

Re: Firefox 3.5

I installed Firefox 3.5 on my second computer using instructions from this link. It seems like the best method I have found so far.
http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/193/in...u-the-easy-way

Fantastic, that works perfectly.

[The Liquidator]

Re: Firefox 3.5

Ubuntuzilla (available from sourceforge) is an extremely easy way to do this. I think my NatWest problem arose because the 3.5 package in the repos announces itself as a beta whereas on using ubuntuzilla the problem went away.

One point, once you have done that if you want the system (including any plasma applets) to treat it as the default browser under system settings/default applications/browser you will need to change the term "firefox%" to simply "firefox" (without quote marks).

[undoIT]

Re: Firefox 3.5

Ubuntuzilla (available from sourceforge) is an extremely easy way to do this. I think my NatWest problem arose because the 3.5 package in the repos announces itself as a beta whereas on using ubuntuzilla the problem went away.

One point, once you have done that if you want the system (including any plasma applets) to treat it as the default browser under system settings/default applications/browser you will need to change the term "firefox%" to simply "firefox" (without quote marks).

I was just about to ask a question related to this. On my system, "firefox" was already listed as the default web browser. I manually browsed to the Firefox 3.5 app and then it was listed as "firefox-3". However, neither of those seem to work. When I click links in Thunderbird, it still opens the old Firefox.

I also tried in Firefox 3.5 to set this Edit > Preferences > Advanced > General > System Defaults. When I click Check Now to see if Firefox is default, there is no prompt or anything.

I think that this is just a Thunderbird issue, which unfortunately does not integrate that well with KDE. I just checked and opening links from Kopete is loading the new Firefox.

[The Liquidator]

Re: Firefox 3.5

When you veer away from the ubuntu default, you have to configure Thunderbird manually.

Open Thunderbird, edit/preferences and select the config editor.

Enter a new string (right click/new) and type in the first box

network.protocol-handler.app.http

Click OK then in the second box type

firefox

Click OK

Close off the editor and you should then find it works.

HTH

[dibl]

Re: Firefox 3.5

Semi-OT -- it looks like 64-bit FF 3.5 has no working java plugin. The packages are there and install -- both icedtea and sun-java6-jre, but they don't function. sun-java6-jre pulls in sun-java5-jre, which got two updates earlier today -- I think it's being worked on, but it hasn't passed any test yet on my rig.

Anyone who can contradict me, please do so!

[undoIT]

Re: Firefox 3.5

When you veer away from the ubuntu default, you have to configure Thunderbird manually.

Open Thunderbird, edit/preferences and select the config editor.

Enter a new string (right click/new) and type in the first box

network.protocol-handler.app.http

Click OK then in the second box type

firefox

Click OK

Close off the editor and you should then find it works.

HTH

Cool, that worked, except that I had to set it to:

firefox-3.5

[The Liquidator]

Re: Firefox 3.5

Probably the difference is I've got FF upgraded with ubuntuzilla whereas imagine you've got the 3.5 from the repo?

Found that tip in a Mozilla forum only I don't seem to be able to find it now.

Anyway, glad you got there, UndoIT.

[Christian]

Re: Firefox 3.5

Ok, first let me explain my situation, and the context.

I had last used Linux with Red Hat 6.1 many years ago.
In the meantime I stayed specialized on M$ Windows.
I am both an IT veteran and a Linux newbie, as far as recent versions of Linux go.

I am now about to write off Windows altogether, and move to Linux for good.
After some research I decided to use Kubuntu (and NOT Ubuntu).
This week I received the CD from Canonical, and today I made my first install on a brand new hard drive.

For the time being I am playing with the configuration, and will reformat and reinstall once I am confident that I mastered the interface and the current system.


I managed to figure on my own how to install and run Firefox (from Mozilla website), but was not comfortable when I saw that I could not integrate it with KDE's menu.

I then started a search, and after a lot of search through various forums, I found that:
a) I did it the right way for my purpose (I want to get Mozilla's updates in real time, not 2 weeks later), in a way similar to what is stated at http://www.kabatology.com/07/01/a-si...3-5-on-ubuntu/ although I did it by hand rather than using a command line. And the second part (Applications Menu) is not directly applicable, since this was for Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu.
b) However the recommended way is to use Kubuntu's own packages for Firefox, which I am not happy with considering the delays.

For instance, today I tried 'sudo apt-get install firefox' and 'sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5' (both being recommended on this thread and others), and neither actually worked (both gave error messages which I did not bother copying).


So, my questions are really:
- Can I live with Firefox (and Thunderbird) installed from Mozilla's website, without later interference from KDE, considering that I will NOT manually install the KDE version whenever they eventually come ?
- Or will KDE later detect that I have a version installed, and try to automatically install theirs (I do not want double installations) ?

Side question:
My installation folders being '(home)/(username)/Internet/Firefox' and '(home)/(username)/Internet/Thunderbird', is there a way to add those in KDE's start menu?

[dibl]

Re: Firefox 3.5

I got my FF 3.5 from the *buntu repos, and find nothing amiss with it. In general, if you can find a package in the *buntu repos, that is preferable to downloaded packages --- dependencies can be a major problem with downloads, and you can end up breaking other things that used to work.

I recommend you enable the universe, multiverse, and restricted repos, and also medibuntu if you want multimedia items (non-free codecs). That would be #9 on the FAQs in my signature.

and WELCOME!

[Christian]

Re: Firefox 3.5

I entirely understand the dependencies problem (I used to do object-oriented programming before this became a formal method called that way), and I am not worried about this at the moment.

Dependencies mean that those programs have code in them that may be required by part of your application.
In a nutshell, Linux uses dependencies where Winblows would use DLLs. It does not work the same way, but it is basically 2 different solutions to the same problem.
As long as you do not use the feature calling for that code, the dependency will not be called, and you do not have a problem.
If you do have a problem, then it is time to worry about it.
Yesterday, I was able to run Firefox without any visible problem on the pages I went through.

This while at the same time, Firefox would not install the sudo way, as I stated above.
About that, I suspect that those are currently off the default repositories (or were when I tried), while they have not added yet the latest version, which fixes a really critical bug (in short, problem with the JIT Java compiler allowing exploits).
Also, remember that I tried to install Firefox from a clean Kubuntu install, whereas I expect that you already have a lot of dependency software installed on your system, probably including all that Firefox would need to please the installation method.


And thanks for the welcome, but your answer did not answer my questions ;-)

[kevinc]

Re: Firefox 3.5

So, my questions are really:
- Can I live with Firefox (and Thunderbird) installed from Mozilla's website, without later interference from KDE, considering that I will NOT manually install the KDE version whenever they eventually come ?
- Or will KDE later detect that I have a version installed, and try to automatically install theirs (I do not want double installations) ?

Side question:
My installation folders being '(home)/(username)/Internet/Firefox' and '(home)/(username)/Internet/Thunderbird', is there a way to add those in KDE's start menu?

Yes. If you install FF and TB or any program from the site of the developer and NOT from Ubuntu, it is NOT selected in APT and will NOT be upgraded when you use sudo apt-get upgrade, because it doesn't exist in your local list of what's installed from Ubuntu. If you add other repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list
then you can update using apt-get or synaptic or you choice of package manager.

There is another thread with a similar discussion on OpenOffice when it went to 3.0 and Kubuntu was still using 2.4 for some time.

Side question. There should be a way, but I don't know it yet. Sorry.

[Christian]

Re: Firefox 3.5

Thanks, for those 2 applications I am happy that way, since I prefer to stay with their own tested and proven update method.

Integration can be a good thing for non-professional users, but sometimes it can be pushed too far ;-)