Is Kubuntu dying??

[Yuri sss]

Re: Is Kubuntu dying??

What an idiotic article >
I've tried Mit 9 Kde myself, and it's still lightyears from running as good as Kubuntu. They've made several very poor (if not downright retarded) choices.
For instance, they've intentionally castrated Synaptic, so it doesn't work properly anymore. The Mint-exclusive programs aren't all that great either. I found especially Mint-Update was poorly done.
I've also tried the "regular" Mint 9, and they've really messed up stuff there as well. When I tried installing Kde on it from the Kubuntu repositories, it totally broke the system. Installing Kde on Ubuntu worked just fine.
As such, I can only say they took (K)ubuntu and made it worse.
Having codecs and video players installed by default doesn't count for me, as it's only important for the most incapable n00bs - they're easily and quickly installed.

[GreyGeek]

Re: Is Kubuntu dying??

Recently I have been playing with GPS navigation software. I have a purchased copy of Delorme's Street Atlas 6.0 with their Earthmate LT-20 receiver. I installed my purchased copy of XP SP2 as a guest OS and noted that SA runs very well, with GPS navigation, on the guest XP.

I read where Mint 9 KDE included WINE preinstalled. I had M9KDE installed as a guest OS also. I installed SA under WINE in M9KDE. It installed fine. It refused to see the LT-20, so navigation with SA under M9KDE was not possible.

[Eric KDE]

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I recently had Mint 9 KDE but it had many weird bugs and strange errors. I got rid of that M9 garbage on installed Kubuntu, mainly because i LOVE KDE and everything about it. Kubuntu works 100% PERfect right out of the box. KDE+Ubuntu= Destroy M9kde

[oshunluvr]

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I installed Mint9KDE 64 last night to give it a shot. Here's my score based on Kubuntu:

1. 1.2ish GB means dvd burn rather than cd = -1
2. All that stuff and still no mdadm RAID install support = -3
3. No option to control the grub install (at least that I saw) so my current grub was overwritten. Usually not a huge problem except I use a dedicated grub partition = -10
4. update-grub wasn't automatically run (wtf?) so at reboot I was left at the grub prompt. = -10

At this point I hadn't even used it yet, and I was already ticked off. 5 minutes later when I recovered my grub partition and booted...

1. Plymouth and the terminal were at the correct resolutions (1280x1024) - nearly a first for me. = +1
2. Lots of nice tools - several package managers including synaptic (although it is crippled a bit) = +1 (would have been +2 or 3 but why cripple synaptic?)
3. Most of the nice tools were gnome based = -1

Thats it so far. I think if you had a new machine and were a new linux KDE user it might be a good choice, but really just a waste of time for me.

[Snowhog]

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I had, a little while back, thought about trying Mint9 because it was KDE based. Downside: the download is a LiveDVD .iso, not a LiveCD. :P

But, seeing what those of you here have to say about it, I'll happily stick with Kubuntu (not like I have been thinking of switching; I have not) as it just works -- for me.

[GreyGeek]

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Me too, SnowHog.

Linux Mint 9 is a better Ubuntu than Ubuntu, but Linux Mint 9 KDE is NOT a better KDE than Kubuntu 10.4 KDE 4.4.5

[tomp01]

Re: Is Kubuntu dying??


I am using Linux Mint KDE edition and I have found it to be pretty damned good apart from the Nvidia driver problem but that's not really their fault, I think? I have upgraded to KDE 4.5.1 and have had no problems. I don't really understand why people bitch about it being a live DVD rather than a CD. There is also a Debian based Mint which has just been released so it will be interesting to see how that fares.

[charles052]

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I haven't tried Mint, and from what I'm hearing on these boards, I'm not going to. Kubuntu is the only Linux package that works perfectly with my machine and I don't really care to try another. I'm not a guy that goes from distro to distro. I need a stable and flexible OS that's not to heavy on the resources. Windows 7 came up short, Ubuntu fell flat on it's face, and OpenSUSE was nice, but it didn't go all the way like Kubuntu does.

Something tells me that this guy doing the review is all about flash and not about substance. Redesigning a few things here and there is easy. Getting everything to work right with as few bugs and resources as possible is extremely difficult. I think Kubuntu has it right and Mint has been found wanting (just my impression).

[oshunluvr]

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I don't really understand why people bitch about it being a live DVD rather than a CD.

Not everyone has the resources we do. Unless you have a newer computer, you are likely to have only a CDR. Many of the people in this forum don't have the money to spend on future DVD coasters or drive upgrades. Blank Cd's are easier to obtain and cost less - although the cost gap has narrowed considerably as of late. Some live somewhere too remote to easily access computer supplies. DVD's take longer to burn. Larger iso's take up more space, take longer to download, and therefore are more likely to get corrupted during download.

Finally: My complaint was that they issued a DVD but didn't include some basic usable content and had apparently instead opted for eye candy. This smacks of a windows programmer like attitude.

I think that covers that topic.

[claydoh]

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I am using Linux Mint KDE edition and I have found it to be pretty damned good apart from the Nvidia driver problem but that's not really their fault, I think? I have upgraded to KDE 4.5.1 and have had no problems. I don't really understand why people bitch about it being a live DVD rather than a CD. There is also a Debian based Mint which has just been released so it will be interesting to see how that fares.

because a dvd iso takes so much longer to download, dvds tend to be more expensive, and usb disk burning/installing is not always available/reliable to everyone, That and the amount of added space doesn't seem to really provide all that much extra goodness over the Kubuntu disk perhaps.

And as for a Debian version, isn't Sidux already available - I can't say much about it as I haven't tried the latest Mint spin yet to see what it provides

[claydoh]

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And completely back on topic a bit:
http://kde-apps.org/poll/index.php

D:
I know it isn't worth much as 'hard' evidence, but it is nice nonetheless

[GreyGeek]

Re: Is Kubuntu dying??

Interesting!

Did you notice that only 1% of the desktops were running Windows? Why do those PC OEMs keep pushing Windows off on people when this Net Statistic clearly shows that Windows is in the noise on the desktop. (See, it works both ways! )

[Ole Juul]

Re: Is Kubuntu dying??

Votes: 6967

It's too bad that the poll designer took such a frivolous attitude toward this because the results could have had more meaning. However, I suppose that we can assume that KDE developers at least like Kubuntu.

[tomp01]

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I don't really understand why people bitch about it being a live DVD rather than a CD.

Not everyone has the resources we do. Unless you have a newer computer, you are likely to have only a CDR. Many of the people in this forum don't have the money to spend on future DVD coasters or drive upgrades. Blank Cd's are easier to obtain and cost less - although the cost gap has narrowed considerably as of late. Some live somewhere too remote to easily access computer supplies. DVD's take longer to burn. Larger iso's take up more space, take longer to download, and therefore are more likely to get corrupted during download.

Finally: My complaint was that they issued a DVD but didn't include some basic usable content and had apparently instead opted for eye candy. This smacks of a windows programmer like attitude.

I think that covers that topic.

I doubt that any PC sold in the last five years has come without a DVD drive. Anyway if it's really a problem then you can always get the main edition Mint CD and then install KDE from the repositories. Alternatively, you can buy it off the internet for next to nothing.

http://easylinuxcds.com/index.php?ap...&ref=linuxmint

[claydoh]

Re: Is Kubuntu dying??

I don't really understand why people bitch about it being a live DVD rather than a CD.

Not everyone has the resources we do. Unless you have a newer computer, you are likely to have only a CDR. Many of the people in this forum don't have the money to spend on future DVD coasters or drive upgrades. Blank Cd's are easier to obtain and cost less - although the cost gap has narrowed considerably as of late. Some live somewhere too remote to easily access computer supplies. DVD's take longer to burn. Larger iso's take up more space, take longer to download, and therefore are more likely to get corrupted during download.

Finally: My complaint was that they issued a DVD but didn't include some basic usable content and had apparently instead opted for eye candy. This smacks of a windows programmer like attitude.

I think that covers that topic.

I doubt that any PC sold in the last five years has come without a DVD drive. Anyway if it's really a problem then you can always get the Ubuntu Mint CD and then install KDE from the repositories. Alternatively, you can buy it off the internet for next to nothing.

http://easylinuxcds.com/index.php?ap...&ref=linuxmint

What I am trying to say is that Ubuntu and Kubuntu purposefully choose a CD sized image for a variety of reasons. One is to provide something as universally installable as possible anywhere in the world as easily as possible. (unless you want to buy me a laptop new enough to include a dvd drive or faster internet - just some examples )

it also forces the distro to pick and choose which things to include more carefully. This selection is what I use to decide which distro I use - it happens to be Kubuntu in my own case.

But in now way am I trying to imply anything bad about mint, just pointing out the differences. And really thats all it is - one does one thing, the other does something else, and in the end All Is Good more people are made happy