KDE neon 24.04 upgrade testing is now open!

[claydoh]

https://community.kde.org/Neon/NobleUpgrades

personal notes :

Downgrade and remove any PPAs with ppa-purge that provide things newer than what is in Noble's repos:

• Mesa and other driver related sources (Kisak, Ernstp, probably the Ubuntu Driver PPA
• The Debian-Pipewire PPA --this very likely will break things badly, it involves a LOT more than just using ppa-purge.
• Even Libreoffice upgrade PPAs

If using Debian-pipwire to get a full pipewire/wireplumber setup (for things like Wayland screen recording and sharing, OBS), it probably is better to just clean install.
I managed to get through downgrading this twice. I sort of know what I am doing, a little, with conflict resolution, and even reversing the steps used to upgrade to the full pipewire/wireplumber stack, I had severe dep issues, even on the second go after taking notes and restoring to a snapshot. I managed to get out of it, but it probably would have taken less time to clean install and restore backups.

To be clear, my current neon install is two years old, and the drive has been in three different machines, and is...not close to stock at all.

[Beerislife]

I was looking at this but I've got almost a dozen PPAs installed that it would take too long!

I wish there were an easier way! I really want the updates!

[claydoh]

It depends on what PPAs or external repos you have. Mainly, any that upgrade system level stuff like drivers (mesa or Nvidia drivers) as well as some things like Libreoffice, which has a massive number of packages involved, and can be much newer than what is in noble. This holds Ubuntu proepr as well. These PPAs would have the same chances of breaking upgrades there.

I have abut 10 external sources, and only reverted three.

ppa-purge overall makes things fairly easy and not terribly time consuming once you know what to ditch.


ISO images: https://discuss.kde.org/t/kde-neon-2...-testing/22794

[Beerislife]

I got the official release this morning, a few installed apps were removed for some reason (Krita, Digikam, Merkuro) but otherwise everything seems fine!

[claydoh]

Yeah, can't recall the reason for that. I do know Krita was a major pain in 22.04 for neon - it would not even compile, iirc. Should all be re installable though, and net the current release, instead of 5.1.5 from January 2023

[Beerislife]

Gwenview and Kamoso were also removed...

I'll have to go through the menu carefully and see if anything else is MIA!

[claydoh]

That's odd. I knew that Digikam probably would be, and maybe krita, but those two I hadn't seen in testing, or seen mentioned by anyone.

[Beerislife]

There's no .DEB of Thunderbird. Not that it matters, I downloaded the tarball of the esr version ages age and threw it in /opt.

[claydoh]

They migrated from the Mozilla PPA to mozilla's repo, which apparently doesn't have tbird.
I guess the PPA will be needed for those who want debs. Apt pins in place should prevent any issues having both PPA and external repos enabled.

Does Merkuro do email yet? I am considering moving back to a single non-web client after many moons of web interfaces.

[Beerislife]

They migrated from the Mozilla PPA to mozilla's repo, which apparently doesn't have tbird.
I guess the PPA will be needed for those who want debs. Apt pins in place should prevent any issues having both PPA and external repos enabled.

Does Merkuro do email yet? I am considering moving back to a single non-web client after many moons of web interfaces.

No, not yet, that's why I'm using TBird...

Should I give KMail another shot? I'm only slightly tempted!


🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[claydoh]

Should I give KMail another shot? I'm only slightly tempted!

Good lord of all that is Gnu and Holey, no!

[joneall]

Bit confused here. I don't know what you guys mean by pipeware or mesa, so I suppose I don't have them. I very much do have and use LibreOffice, including the latex add-on. Is that a problem?

I always use apt for updating, but they seem to be wanting me to use DIscover, with which I have never been comfortable. Often can't find what I want.

Also, I would like to do a clean install on another partition, but cannot find the iso to do that. Going thru the Neon page gives you neon-user-20241010-1519, which may or may not be Noble.

Still yet another question is, where do I get the sha256sum for the iso I can't find? PGP looks quite complicated. Where would I get the public key of ... who? I have found Snowhog's reference to https://files.kde.org/neon/images/user/current/, but noble is not there.

[Beerislife]

The Stable ISO is Noble, I downloaded it just in case my system got borked!

[claydoh]

Bit confused here. I don't know what you guys mean by pipeware or mesa, so I suppose I don't have them. I very much do have and use LibreOffice, including the latex add-on. Is that a problem?

I always use apt for updating, but they seem to be wanting me to use DIscover, with which I have never been comfortable. Often can't find what I want.

Also, I would like to do a clean install on another partition, but cannot find the iso to do that. Going thru the Neon page gives you neon-user-20241010-1519, which may or may not be Noble.

Still yet another question is, where do I get the sha256sum for the iso I can't find? PGP looks quite complicated. Where would I get the public key of ... who? I have found Snowhog's reference to https://files.kde.org/neon/images/user/current/, but noble is not there.

Just like any Ubuntu like system, PPAs that provide things newer than stock can break upgrades if they aren't removed/Downgraded back to stock, so you should be ok if you haven't used one to upgrade libreoffice. Same goes for the popular upgrades to mesa drivers (for the gamers). Again, this only matters if upgrading, not daily use.

You can administer and manage neon exactly the same way you do with Kubuntu or Ubuntu. You won't have Kubuntus driver manager/software sources tools but that can be installed if you want them.

The current ISO is Noble. They don't maintain separate ISO images based on the Ubuntu base.
If unsure, one can look at the filesystem.manifest file located in the same location as the ISO. As is the sha256sum. Search it for Noble.

[joneall]

How do I see what level in terms of 24.04 or noble my current system is running. System info does not give that.

$ uname -a
Linux jon-desktop 6.8.0-45-generic #45-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Aug 30 12:02:04 UTC 2024 x86_64 x86_64
x86_64 GNU/Linux