KDE 4.1 - Now

[Rog131]

KDE4.1 Release Schedule tells:

KDE 4.1

April 20th, 2008: Soft Feature Freeze
April 22nd, 2008: Tag KDE 4.1 Alpha 1
April 29th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1 Alpha 1
May 19th, 2008: Hard Feature Freeze
May 20th, 2008: Message Freeze.
May 20th, 2008: Tag KDE 4.1 Beta 1
May 27th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1 Beta 1
June 17th, 2008: Tag KDE 4.1 Beta 2
June 24th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1 Beta 2
July 8th, 2008: Artwork Freeze
July 8th, 2008: Tag KDE 4.1 RC 1
July 15th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1 RC 1
July 22nd, 2008: Tag KDE 4.1
July 29th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1

Previews

> KDE 4.1: Visual Changelog (rev 777000)

> KDE 4.1: Visual Changelog (rev 783000)

> Movies about KDE 4.1 Alpha

KDE TechBase: Things which happened between opening Trunk and Alpha1

Kubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex and the KDE 4.1: Intrepid Release Schedule, Plans, KDE 4.1


Wondering what is the status of the KDE 4.1. It is pretty but how does it work ?


KDE TechBase has Getting Started/Build/KDE4 and Debian packages has KDE 4.1 Alpha 1 sources in the repositories.


WARNINGS

Alpha, beta, rc

This is an alpha/beta/rc (pre-) release. Pre-release versions of programs are NOT encouraged for anyone needing a stable system or for anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent, breakage. Pre-release versions of programs ARE recommended for developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs (or are curious).

Debian Packages

Unstable

This area contains the most recent packages in Debian. Once a package has met our criterion for stability and quality of packaging, it will be included in testing. unstable is also not supported by the security team.

Packages in unstable are the least tested and may contain problems severe enough to affect the stability of your system. Only experienced users should consider using this distribution.

Experimental

Warning: This package is from the experimental distribution. That means it is likely unstable or buggy, and it may even cause data loss. Please be sure to consult the changelog and other possible documentation before using it.

Downloading KDE 4.1 Alpha sources from to the Debian repositories, compiling them and installing.


Step 1

Upgrading Kubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) to satisfy dependencies.

Downloading (Debian unstable/experimental), compiling, installing:

• akonadi 0.80.0+svn804999
• automoc 1.0~svn805317
• cmake 2.6.0
• pciutils 3.0.0
• poppler 0.8.2
• qca2 2.0.0
• qimageblitz 0.0.4
• soprano 2.0.98
• strigi 0.5.9

Step 2

Downloading, compiling, upgrading KDE 3.5.9 to KDE 4.1

1 ) compiling kde4libs and installing kdelibs5-dev (needed to compile kde packages)

2 ) compiling kdepimlibs and installing kdepimlibs5-dev (needed to compile kde packages)

3 ) compiling kdebase

4 ) compiling kdebase-runtime

5 ) compiling kdeutils

6 ) compiling kdeadmin

7 ) compiling kdegraphics

8 ) compiling kdemultimedia

9 ) compiling kdebase-workspace
- kdebase-workspace -> kdebase-workspace-dev and libplasma-dev

10) extragear-plasma
- dependencies: kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.0.72)

11) kdenetwork
- dependencies: libplasma-dev (>= 4:4.0.68)


Example:

Compiling kdebase-4.0.72.

FAQ: Installing from source
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3085626.0


In the same folder as kdebase_4.0.72 .dsc, diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz :

dpkg-source -x kdebase_4.0.72-1.dsc

Moving to the kdebase-4.0.72 folder. In the konsole:

dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc

Error:

dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kdepimlibs5-dev (>= 4:4.0.72) libphonon-dev (>= 4:4.0.72) libqimageblitz-dev (>= 1:0.0.4-2) libraw1394-dev libpci-dev

Installing those packages and again

dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc

Time passes... =>

dolphin_4.0.72-1_i386.deb kinfocenter_4.0.72-1_i386.deb
kappfinder_4.0.72-1_i386.deb konqueror_4.0.72-1_i386.deb
kdebase_4.0.72-1_all.deb konqueror-nsplugins_4.0.72-1_i386.deb
kdebase-bin_4.0.72-1_i386.deb konsole_4.0.72-1_i386.deb
kdebase-data_4.0.72-1_all.deb kwrite_4.0.72-1_i386.deb
kdebase-dbg_4.0.72-1_i386.deb libkonq5_4.0.72-1_i386.deb
kdebase-dev_4.0.72-1_i386.deb libkonq5-dev_4.0.72-1_i386.deb
kdepasswd_4.0.72-1_i386.deb libkonq5-templates_4.0.72-1_all.deb
kfind_4.0.72-1_i386.deb

FIXING PROBLEMS

Compiling kdebase-workspace, error:

CMakeFiles/kdeinit_krunner.dir/startupid.o: In function `StartupId::update_startupid()':
/media/sda6/tmp_kde4/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-4.0.72/krunner/startupid.cpp:324: undefined reference to `XcursorGetDefaultSize'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [lib/libkdeinit4_krunner.so] Error 1

Hmm - clumsy workaround:

Commenting out

  cursor_size = XcursorGetDefaultSize( QX11Info::display());

in the /kdebase-workspace-4.0.72/krunner/startupid.cpp. So that line is now:

//  cursor_size = XcursorGetDefaultSize( QX11Info::display());

Compiling, error:

dh_install -plibplasma-dev --sourcedir=debian/tmp
cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/include/KDE/Plasma/GLApplet': No such file or directory
dh_install: command returned error code 256
make: *** [binary-install/libplasma-dev] Error 1
dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2

removing lines (clumsy workaround #2):

usr/include/KDE/Plasma/GLApplet

and

usr/include/plasma/glapplet.h

from the /kdebase-workspace-4.0.72/debian/libplasma-dev.install

compiling...bunch of debs .


Finally, i have about 160 .deb packages, using local repository (Topic: Making Local Repository) to install:

Commit Log for Sat May 17 17:42:53 2008


Upgraded the following packages:
ark (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu3) to 4:4.0.72-1
dolphin (0.9.2-0ubuntu6) to 4:4.0.72-1
gwenview (1.4.2-4) to 4:4.0.72-1
kamera (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1) to 4:4.0.72-1
kappfinder (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1) to 4:4.0.72-1
kcron (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu5) to 4:4.0.72-1
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu2) to 4:4.0.72-1
kdenetwork-filesharing (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1) to 4:4.0.72-1
kfind (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1) to 4:4.0.72-1
klipper (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1) to 4:4.0.72-1
kmilo (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu3) to 4:4.0.72-1
kmix (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu2) to 4:4.0.72-1
...

Restarting... No graphical log in... log in the text mode and:

xinit /usr/bin/startkde

Guide to X11/Starting Sessions
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_t...rting_Sessions


Hmm - not a big difference (to the KDE 4.0):

[dibl]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Wow -- my hat is off!

You are a brave man, Rog!

[Rog131]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

And let's add, that this Hardy installation is expendable...

[dibl]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Ahhhh. Today my Hardy Heron Kubuntu installation is my Main Production system -- I shall wait for July 29 to do any more experiments with KDE4. However, I must say that KDE4.0.3 is running very nice and stable -- I have not seen any serious breaks or crashes since HH was Alpha 5, so this is pretty good software! 8)

[MoonRise]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Wow -- my hat is off!

You are a brave man, Rog!

I agree. I also agree with you that I'll wait until final release day. As I said several months back, I did wipe out what I had and started fresh with 8.04 KDE4 remix. So far, no real complaints except the recent update to 4.0.3 broke my Login Splash screen (Background doesn't appear). and no fix has appeared anywhere yet. I have also noticed that some of the Admin functions appear to work now, but only if you run those from the start as root. I was able to use System Settings to get my Avatar associated with my account. All in all I like KDE4. Whenever I go back to my laptop that has 3.5.9, it feels "old".

[dibl]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Of course, as soon as I wrote "very stable", my VMware Player refuses to run .... :P

But, I don't think it's anything to do with HH or KDE4 -- probably broke the configuration with a new kernel, or something.

[MoonRise]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Yeah, I have to always keep that in mind with VirtualBox. New Kernels will do that. The first time it happened I was panicking a little until I realized --"Duh..".

[Fintan]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Very large hat off rog

I'll be trying that tommorrow from my kde4 remix insatll.

@moon:

recent update to 4.0.3 broke my Login Splash screen (Background doesn't appear). and no fix has appeared anywhere yet.

have you tried installing the "normal" kdm and using that instead?
Works for me.
But then kdm-kde4 always was ugly (grey) on my installs HH / GG / kde4 remix.

[MoonRise]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Thought about it. Thing is, it has always worked up until 4.0.3. Just can't seem to figure out why. Also can't figure out why KDM-KDE4 doesn't work so well.

[MoonRise]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Don't want to Hijack this great post from Rog, so this is it on this subject of KDM. First I was wrong about when it broke; It was after going to 4.0.4 (and even though I did, it still does not report as such). Anyway, I did just install the old KDM and it looks way better. Sad that KDM-KDE4 doesn't seem ready.

[dibl]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

I fixed VMware Player -- it did need reconfigured -- apparently a new kernel sneaked in when I wasn't looking.

Moon, KDM-KDE4 is very stable on my hardware. It may be less so on other hardware.

[Rog131]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

KDE 4.1 Beta1 Release Announcement

Community volunteers and Linux/UNIX OS vendors have kindly provided binary packages of KDE 4.0.80 (Beta 1) for most Linux distributions, and Mac OS X and Windows...


- Kubuntu packages are in preparation.
...

More info: Topic: KDE 4.1 Beta 1 and Topic: KDE 4.1 Beta - anyone gonna try?


In the meanwhile - Upgrading KDE 4.1 Alpha to the KDE 4.1 Beta 1

Using Debian unstable and experimental repositories. Mixing Ubuntu and Debian repositories is Not Recommended.


About Debian repositories:

> The Debian KDE maintainers >> Debian worldwide mirror sites

> KDE 4.1 Beta Released


=> Alt + F2 and kdesudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debianmix.list


man sources.list:

SOURCES.LIST.D

The /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory provides a way to add sources.list entries in seperate files that end with .list. The format is the same as for the regular sources.list file.

dropping there:

deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib

deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib

Updating package database, searching packages by version: 4.0.80, marking upgradeable KDE packages:

Synaptic package manager (FAQ: Package Managers ) tells:

libplasma1 will be removed
akregator (version 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu3) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
ark (version 4:4.0.72-1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
cervisia (version 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
dolphin (version 4:4.0.72-1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
dragonplayer (version 4:4.0.72-1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
extragear-plasma (version 4:4.0.72+svn802997-1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
extragear-plasma-data (version 4:4.0.72+svn802997-1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
extragear-plasma-l10n (version 4:4.0.72+svn802997-1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
gwenview (version 4:4.0.72-1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
juk (version 4:4.0.72-1) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.80-1
...

868 packages will be held back and not upgraded
13 new packages will be installed
115 packages will be upgraded
1 package will be removed

9516 kB extra space will be used
153 MB have to be download

Pressing Apply...


Restarting:

[Rog131]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

aseigo: no more desktop icons in 4.1

...we now have a folder view applet courtesy of Frederik Höglund. It can view any folder you want, including the desktop folder. You can also set a filter, making it possible to, for instance, view just images or whatever...

...That last bit is important: it means that you can have an Old Skool(tm) desktop with an icon mess if that's what you really, really want...

KDE 4.1: Have it Our Way

...As it is Aseigo describes how to set up a folder so that you can work out what he calls an “Old Skool” desktop. This won’t be an easy process. Oh, anyone who’s knows what’s what about a Linux desktop can put it together. Joe User, however, will be utterly bewildered by the process...

Desktop Icons KDE 4.1 Beta 1

a) KICOFF (Preview: Kickoff from KDE 4.1)

Right click icon > Add to desktop / Add to Panel
or
Drag and drop from the Kickoff to the desktop


b) Widgets

Right click desktop > Add Widgets > Folder View...-> Folder View Settings > Show the desktop folder / Show a custom folder (picture: Desktop_Icons.jpg, here it is showing /media/sda6/)


c) "Old Skool ?"

Make a text file: something.desktop (Topic: GtoK: .desktop files )

something.desktop to launch an application

[Desktop Entry]
Comment=
Exec=
GenericName=
Icon=background
MimeType=
Name=Something
Type=Application

Drop it in to the Desktop folder

Icon will be pop up in the desktop. Right click new icon > Properties > Window will pop up : Properties for something.desktop. Now you can add/change icon and give command what to start

After this something.desktop file will be automagically:

[Desktop Entry]
Comment[en_US]=
Comment=
Exec=kwrite
GenericName[en_US]=
GenericName=
Icon=aim
MimeType=
Name[en_US]=Something
Name=Something
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=false
TerminalOptions=
Type=Application
X-DBUS-StartupType=
X-KDE-SubstituteUID=false
X-KDE-Username=

and will start an application


So now KDE 4.1. beta desktop with icons:

[MoonRise]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Thanks for the Links!!

[Fintan]

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

HI Rog,
I was feeling adventurous so I tried upgrading my kde4 remix install (kde4.04) using your instructions from here:

In the meanwhile - Upgrading KDE 4.1 Alpha to the KDE 4.1 Beta 1

I put the debian repositories in place as you suggested in your post. I droped:

deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib

deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib

into:

/etc/apt/sources.list.d/debianmix.list

and did a:
sudo apt-get update / sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.

All the files you mentioned above and a few more were being installed.

I know I am lazy at times but I thought I would try it and see what happens.

I also know I missed something as I got this error message:

Entpacke libwbclient0 (aus .../libwbclient0_2%3a3.2.0~rc1-2_i386.deb) ...
Vorbereiten zum Ersetzen von libsmbclient 3.0.28a-1ubuntu4 (durch
.../libsmbclient_2%3a3.2.0~rc1-2_i386.deb) ...
Entpacke Ersatz für libsmbclient ...
Vorbereiten zum Ersetzen von groff-base 1.18.1.1-16 (durch
.../groff-base_1.18.1.1-20_i386.deb) ...
Entpacke Ersatz für groff-base ...
Vorbereiten zum Ersetzen von man-db 2.5.1-3 (durch
.../man-db_2.5.2-1_i386.deb) ...
Entpacke Ersatz für man-db ...
Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdeeject_4%3a3.5.9.dfsg.1-2_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
fintan2@fintanws2:~$

Does any one have an idea?

Edit: I tired a different path this morning.
after reinstalling kde4remix (which is my test install) I did this:
I installed the following one by one:
kdelibs5, kdepimlibs5, kdebase-runtime

After ldelibs5 I lost my login screen and had to login from the cli and startx.
This gave me a mixed desktop. meaning I get a kde4 panel and kickoff and a kde3 deskto "on top" of my kde4 desktop.

After kdepimlibs5 same result.
After kdebase-runtime I get the same basic error as above:

E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeeject_4%3a3.5.9.dfsg.1-2_all.deb: Versuche, »/usr/bin/kdeeject« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket kdesktop ist

and kdebase-kio-plugins turns up as corrupted. There are plenty of dependencies so I tried with kdeeject.

Installing kdeeject gives me the same error as above.

I didn't try further as I am running out of time.

So what now?