What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

[srikar]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

A small one but saves time - when we open image , it gets opened wid the default image viewer . When we right click on the image, set as wallpaper option must be present. : )

[integr8e]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

OK, I've decided to make a list of all the suggestions so far. I believe I have them all, but if I missed yours, tough luck ( ) - nah, just let me know, or correct the list yourself

1 ) If a user attempts to play an unsupported media format, instead of popping up a window that states only that the media format is unsupported, pop up a window (like Ubufox) declaring the format is unsupported and prompt the user whether he would like to install the needed codec(s) and if he would like to enable any needed repositories that aren't enabled. If the codec(s) aren't in the standard *buntu repos, then prompt the user as to whether he would like to install the Medibuntu repository to acquire the needed codec(s) (maybe include the explanation why Medibuntu is not included by default due to legal implications).

2 ) Automatically remove (or comment out) the installation CD from the list of repos ( /etc/apt/sources.list ).

3 ) Include the build-essential package by default.

4) Include a list of basic terminal commands and an easy-to-understand explanation of each (maybe include a link to LinuxCommand.org in the homepage of Konqueror/Firefox).

5 ) Automatically detect connected devices (such as printers, mice, keyboards, etc.) and prompt the user if he would like to take the appropriate steps to install/configure them, providing a graphical means to do so (such as configure xorg.conf to use the "evdev" USB mouse driver or use Keytouch to set up his keyboard). I'm currently working on getting X.org Setup to work, which may be an excellent tool for configuring Xorg.

6 ) Maybe provide Wine by default along with an explanation of its purpose and how to use it.

8 ) Compiz-Fusion was supposed to be included by default, but was not with either my Live CD or Alt. CD (maybe just a fluke Huh). That doesn't matter, it wasn't at all hard installing it manually. So anyway, include CF by default, and if the user's hardware supports it, prompt him whether he would like to enable it.

9 ) Nvidia's driver supports CF by default, but ATI's doesn't; maybe include the ATI patch developed for Envy to fix the problem. I would even suggest including Envy for both Nvidia and ATI drivers because of its ease of use and efficiency.

10) Fix the 'Yakuake vs. Compiz bug' and replace Konsole with Yakuake as the default console.

11) Give the user the option of installing Java and Flash from the get-go, and allow him to choose whichever browser he wishes to be the default (Firefox, Opera, Konqueror, ...).

12) Provide a page during installation that allows the user to choose/prioritize the browsers and media players he wants to install, and order the mimetypes according to his selection.

13) Drop Strigi from the list of default packages.

14) Provide an installer that checks what is currently installed on a user's system, and as much as possible, preserves the packages and their configurations during the update.

15) Don't break anything during the upgrade.

16) Provide an 'apt-get rollback' feature that allows the user to reverse any package installation he may perform, in the event something goes wrong.

17) Install a firewall frontend by default.

18) Include a better looking GTK widget style.

19) Make Firefox less of a memory hog.

20) Warn the user if his system contains a negligible amount of RAM, and suggest he install something like Xubuntu or a command-line system instead.

21) Include Fluxbuntu with the main projects.

22) Warn the user if he attempts to remove critical software and prompt him for confirmation.

23) Better organize the KMenu to sort applications alphabetically or categorically, automatically.

24) Port BulletProofX (or the like) to KDM.

25) Include better support for external screens and projectors.

26) Please merge the open/save dialogues. It seems that every application has its own version, some show icons and some don't. Some have a folder/file browser on the left, others have a pull down at the top.

27) During installation, provide the user with options as to what kind of installation he wants, wheter just a basic installation, a multimedia edition (LinuxMCE - possibly ), Kubuntu + extras (Wine, etc.), or the like.

28) Include a right-click menu option that allows the user to set an image as his desktop backgound.


> > > Here are a few more I've decided to add < < <


29) I'm pretty sure their working on this, but just in case, include much better wireless support, maybe even include a tool that will search for and install any needed Windows drivers not included by default with the ndiswrapper-modules (...if possible).

30) Get the ALSA dudes to finish developement on 24bit soundcard support (I've never heard the full potential of my Audigy2 ZS ).

31) Maybe include a feature that allows the user to have multiple, individually configured application panels (instead of having them all configured the same).

32) Include a script to periodically clean downloaded package files (such as in '/var/cache/apt/archives').

NOTE: This is just an accumulative list, I purposefully didn't include the arguments for or against each proposal.

[b0uncyfr0]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Some basics:

1) NTFS read/write out of the box OR if that isnt possible make sure the user knows how to set it up EASILY.

2) Better detection of hardware/ I know this is mainly for the kernel but still.

3) Make the installation of codecs easier, like amarok's mp3 codec installation.

4) On the Live/CD have an option to either install KDE3.8 or KDE4.

5) Make some Kubuntu-specific apps that have some benefit like better detection of hardware or assiting in some way.

6) Something thats equivalent to the gnome feature: strecth icon.That should be fun to mes around with.

7) Get some tweaks into Kubuntu, make it faster..make it more secure...anything goes..

8) Get some 3rd party apps into Hardy. It wont hurt anyone.E.g Wine, VirtualBox or Smplayer. ( Yes its better than kaffeine)

Thats all i can think of so far.

[Bongo5HH]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

On going repo updates as new versions of software are released. The biggest reason why I try the Alpha versions of Kubuntu is to have the automatic updates to the latest versions... I know I could always do those updates myself.. but hey you asked what I want and this is it.

Kev

[Fenyx]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

NOTE: WIP = Work In Progress
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integr8e:

1. codec installation - WIP
"then prompt the user as to whether he would like to install the Medibuntu repository to acquire the needed codec(s) (maybe include the explanation why Medibuntu is not included by default" - Not recommended(?)

2 ) Automatically remove (or comment out) the installation CD from the list of repos ( /etc/apt/sources.list ). - gonna follow up

3 ) Include the build-essential package by default. - been debated already by developers. Answer was no.

4) Include a list of basic terminal commands and an easy-to-understand explanation of each. - already in the Dekstop Guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/kubuntu...terminals.html)

5 ) Printer - WIP; Mouse & Keyboard should "just work"

6 ) Maybe provide Wine by default along with an explanation of its purpose and how to use it. - Debatable. Last answer was No. We're advocating Linux and Free Software apps, not using Windows apps in Linux. If a user needs it, then it can be provided easily, but shouldn't be by default.

7 ) KDE4 should be released by then, so ask the user whether he would like to use the stable KDE3.x or the new KDE4. - WIP, at least as far as installing KDE4 on an installed KDE3 system

8 ) Compiz-Fusion - WIP. (P.S. wasn't never intended to be included by default in Kubuntu Gutsy)


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@srikar:

The installations given in the readme files in those softwares are complex. Thus installation at the terminal makes a newbie at the start to go mad. So if wine was included by default it would hav been easy to install those softwares through wine.

- Needs more info. Wine is not the solution, since wine only adds a layer on top, so networking must work in the first place. If a Linux driver for it exists, a proper package for driver is the correct answer.

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@3vi1

I would add my desire to make Yakuake a default replacement for console

- Still needs Konsole to be there. Also it's not good as generic default.

Maybe Kubuntu should give the option of installing Java and Flash plugins to the browser from the get-go. And being able to say choose that the default browser is Firefox or Opera, not Konqueror

- already possible, except for Java. choosing default browser is also there, but needs a bit of work (doesn't affect non-KDE apps), also working on choosing default file manager.

In fact, it would be nice to have a page at installation that lets you choose/prioritize all the browsers and media players you want to install, and then their mime type associations would get ordered according to your choices.. rather than you having to reorder everything yourself after you install them.

- There's a sort of *buntu policy against first-run wizards... Sane defaults are preferred over first-run customizations.

Dump Strigi as a default: couldn't agree more. unfortunately.... we'll have to see...

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@cantab:

Able to do a dist-upgrade FROM DAPPER. - should be possible. at least that's the plan

After release, BREAK NOTHING. I still remember the update that broke the X-server (that may have been back in the breezy days). DON'T DO THAT AGAIN! It's acceptable (but not wanted) if an obscure package doesn't work right at release, but don't issue updates that cause breakage.

- they're constantly trying to perfect that art. a little patience and understanding is much appreciated. it's not like they did it on purpose

Apt-get rollback. - yes, a much needed feature, but something Debian needs to do from their end first. Currently there's a manual way to do that (specify older version number, pin down the version to prevent automatic updates), but it's a bit cumbersome.

Better-looking GTK widget style, the default is ugly. - the GTK widget style being used is called gtk2-engines-qt (or something), and it's purpose is to emulate the Qt/KDE style in use. It's not perfect, but the default GTK/GNOME look will even look more out of place.

Some easy way to make Firefox less of a memory hog. - Yeah, ask Mozilla Co.

If installer detects low RAM for Ubuntu or Kubuntu install, warn of this, and suggest the user install Xubuntu or a command line system instead. - it's not really the job of the installer but of the one doing the installation.

Fluxbuntu to become a 'main' project - It's actually down to Canonical, not to the Fluxbuntu people.

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@integr8:

1 ) Warn the user if he attempts to remove critical software and prompt him for confirmation - this would be nice. I think I suggested it before, I'll try again. but this capability should preferrably be APT itself, and I don't know how technically possible it is to implement it somewhere else (except maybe in a GUI like Adept)

2 ) Better organize the KMenu to sort applications alphabetically or categorically - by default it sorts alphabetically, unless you manually change it.

3 ) X.org - I think this one is WIP

4 ) Port BulletProofX (or the like) to KDM - needs to be added to KDM itself. but I think WIP too

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@aged hippy:

If i may say so, many new users will be coming predominantly from a Microsoft Windows background, and will probably have Windows programs which they will want to use.

- And reinforce the misconception that Linux is just another Windows (that it should/could run any Windows app under the sun). Fortunately, those who need Wine are corner cases like Graphics suites (photoshop) and games.

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@andrewyoungisgreat

Please merge the open/save dialogues. - please clarify. all KDE apps share the same open/save dialog (code and appearance)

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@srikar:

I think it would be better if the hardy heron has more options during installation: - the goal of the "1 CD" policy is to have the most basic and essential free software collection that majority of desktop users need. In that sense, it succeeds fairly well.

1. Multimedia codecs - like what marshallbanana, there are some that we can't ship on the CD by default. the litmus test is that anything in universe or multiverse can't be on the official CD's/DVD's

2. ntfs-3g is already installed by default in Gutsy. It just needs to be enabled. On Hardy, it will be installed and enabled by default. Wine is debatable. Current answer to that remains No.

3. When we right click on the image, set as wallpaper option must be present. : ) - that's possible already in Konqueror. The service/context menus for D3lphin just need to be reworked and it's a WIP. Alternatively, you can do that from within Gwenview when you open the image.

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@b0uncyfr0:

1) NTFS read/write out of the box OR if that isnt possible make sure the user knows how to set it up EASILY. - done/WIP

2) Better detection of hardware/ I know this is mainly for the kernel but still. - of course this is always being worked on, and also depends on available drivers

3) Make the installation of codecs easier, like amarok's mp3 codec installation. - done/WIP

4) On the Live/CD have an option to either install KDE3.8 or KDE4. - not possible given the CD space. Separate CD's will be provided

5) Make some Kubuntu-specific apps that have some benefit like better detection of hardware or assiting in some way. - please elaborate

6) Something thats equivalent to the gnome feature: strecth icon.That should be fun to mes around with. - what is this?

7) Get some tweaks into Kubuntu, make it faster..make it more secure...anything goes.. - always a WIP, and getting better each release

Cool Get some 3rd party apps into Hardy. It wont hurt anyone.E.g Wine, VirtualBox or Smplayer. ( Yes its better than kaffeine)

- Wine is there, Virtualbox is there, and other apps are constantly being added. But we need more packagers. So if you can lend a hand, please do.

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@Bongo5HH:

On going repo updates as new versions of software are released. The biggest reason why I try the Alpha versions of Kubuntu is to have the automatic updates to the latest versions... I know I could always do those updates myself.. but hey you asked what I want and this is it.

-- this will not always be possible, given we always have to strike a balance between stability and the latest/greatest. In some cases, it's not even possible at all (it will break things). Newer stuff that are present in the development version (ubuntu+1, in this case, Hardy) and can safely be used in the current stable are usually backported and placed in the backports repository.

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integ8e's Summary:

1 ) Automatic/Guided codec installation - WIP
Adding 3rd party repo for coded support - not recommended because we have no control over those repositories.

2 ) Automatically remove (or comment out) the installation CD from the list of repos ( /etc/apt/sources.list ). - gonna follow up

3 ) Include the build-essential package by default. - debated by developers. last answer was no.

4) Include a list of basic terminal commands and an easy-to-understand explanation of each (maybe include a link to LinuxCommand.org in the homepage of Konqueror/Firefox). - already in the Desktop Guide (see: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/kubuntu...terminals.html)

5 ) Printer and X (I think) - WIP. not sure about the others

6 ) Maybe provide Wine by default along with an explanation of its purpose and how to use it. - last answer: No

8 ) Compiz-Fusion was supposed to be included by default, but was not with either my Live CD or Alt. CD (maybe just a fluke Huh). - it was never intended for Kubuntu Gutsy. WIP for Hardy.

9 ) Nvidia's driver supports CF by default, but ATI's doesn't; maybe include the ATI patch developed for Envy to fix the problem. I would even suggest including Envy for both Nvidia and ATI drivers because of its ease of use and efficiency. - try to follow up, but this is out of the Kubuntu Team's hands

10) Fix the 'Yakuake vs. Compiz bug' and replace Konsole with Yakuake as the default console. - Yakuake is a specialty app. It doesn't make for a good default application, no matter how great it is (I use it always).

11) Give the user the option of installing Java and Flash from the get-go, and allow him to choose whichever browser he wishes to be the default (Firefox, Opera, Konqueror, ...). - Java (not yet), Flash (done), Browser (done)

12) Provide a page during installation that allows the user to choose/prioritize the browsers and media players he wants to install, and order the mimetypes according to his selection. - no to first-run wizards in *buntu

13) Drop Strigi from the list of default packages. - we'll see

14) Provide an installer that checks what is currently installed on a user's system, and as much as possible, preserves the packages and their configurations during the update. - can't really comment. needs details

15) Don't break anything during the upgrade. - always a WIP... nothing's perfect, but everyone tries.

16) Provide an 'apt-get rollback' feature that allows the user to reverse any package installation he may perform, in the event something goes wrong. - this has to happen at the APT level, so it's a change that most likely would/should come from Debian. We can probably try to do something like that for Adept though.

17) Install a firewall frontend by default. - don't know what's the official word on this fro the higher-ups

18) Include a better looking GTK widget style. - the one we have is already the best (or actually the only one) in terms of trying to emulate KDE styles. Unless we all (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) switch to a common widget style that is available for both GTK/GNOME and Qt/KDE. Currently the only style that does that is QtCurve, and switching Ubuntu to that will be next to impossible

19) Make Firefox less of a memory hog. - Mozilla Co. where art thou?

20) Warn the user if his system contains a negligible amount of RAM, and suggest he install something like Xubuntu or a command-line system instead. - Dunno, but imho, this isn't the responsibility of the installer, but the persond doing the installation. He/she should check the system requirements. Besides, it's going to be more frustrating to have downloaded and burned a CD only to be told later that your system can't handle it and that you should download another one.

21) Include Fluxbuntu with the main projects. - Canonical's call, and I seriously doubt it. Xubuntu and Kubuntu's statuses are already on the fritz.

22) Warn the user if he attempts to remove critical software and prompt him for confirmation. - another APT-level feature.

23) Better organize the KMenu to sort applications alphabetically or categorically, automatically. - it already sorts alphabetically by default unless you have manually edited it. then it stops doing that afaik.

24) Port BulletProofX (or the like) to KDM. - WIP I think. But this needs to happen in KDE itself. We could always try though

25) Include better support for external screens and projectors. - WIP

26) Please merge the open/save dialogues. It seems that every application has its own version, some show icons and some don't. Some have a folder/file browser on the left, others have a pull down at the top. - please elaborate. All KDE apps use the same look and feel for Open/Save dialogs. This is on a toolkit level, and is not easy to change if you're talking about non-KDE apps.

27) During installation, provide the user with options as to what kind of installation he wants, wheter just a basic installation, a multimedia edition (LinuxMCE - possibly Huh), Kubuntu + extras (Wine, etc.), or the like. - er... remember, Canonical/Ubuntu can't official ship with stuff that isn't under their direct control. This means nothing from 3rd party repos/sources, and nothing from universe and multiverse.

28) Include a right-click menu option that allows the user to set an image as his desktop backgound. - possible in Konqueror. D3lphin's service menus are being reworked.

29) I'm pretty sure their working on this, but just in case, include much better wireless support, maybe even include a tool that will search for and install any needed Windows drivers not included by default with the ndiswrapper-modules (...if possible). - can't comment really.

30) Get the ALSA dudes to finish developement on 24bit soundcard support (I've never heard the full potential of my Audigy2 ZS Roll Eyes). - "Get the ALSA dudes"... yes the ALSA dudes are the people that should be asked

31) Maybe include a feature that allows the user to have multiple, individually configured application panels (instead of having them all configured the same). - Um.. you can already do that in KDE. Unless you mean something different

32) Include a script to periodically clean downloaded package files (such as in '/var/cache/apt/archives'). - that's already set in APT (I think every 30 days). I doesn't have to be a script, since it's a feature built into APT itself.

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http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3089349

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Thanks and hope to see you there! Let's help make Kubuntu rock the world!

[Bongo5HH]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Jucato,

Thanks!! What a great post of responses!

Kev

[integr8e]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Jucato,

- Wine is there, Virtualbox is there, and other apps are constantly being added. But we need more packagers. So if you can lend a hand, please do.

How would I go about doing this?

29) I'm pretty sure their working on this, but just in case, include much better wireless support, maybe even include a tool that will search for and install any needed Windows drivers not included by default with the ndiswrapper-modules (...if possible). - can't comment really.

I recently found an app called Wifix that is being developed by Ubuntu member @bmartin. What do you think about it?

Oh, and you definitely did a great job on your writeup

[Jean]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Hello from a newbie,

I installed kubuntu 8 days ago on a dual boot but I'm hardly in windows anymore. I'm a pc freak, programmer since 25 years and I have a webserver / irc server running on a network.
I have a todo list of about 30 things for this kubuntu install and it's still growing but here's a few thoughts.

More hardware detection. The built in microphone in the webcam is not working and I have to mess with HdaIntelSoundHowto.
I have the nividia driver working but not the tv out, and resolution changes on reboot and sometimes very hard to set the right solution, it forgets its resolution.
Let me setup my mousewheel / buttons.
Automatic detection and mounting of windows drives, network ones too. I have a lot of data on them and I want to access them. The diskmount script does not handle all drives locally, and no network ones.
Please please please if I say I don't want caps lock, turn it off, it reverts back to on after some keypresses.
I stil have not been able to setup java in firefox or opera, konqueror i don't care for.
Indeed install codecs for mp3 etc (.rm havent looked at since tv out is not working yet)

Another thing I observe is that after any reboot things are different, for instance sometimes amarok loses it's playlist, on another boot it has it back, there are more things like this, but that may be because I am a newbie.

I only boot into windows if I want to play a game, debug php or watch a movie on tv-out and although in windows it all works and the list of things to do in kubuntu keeps growing, Linux is for me.

My 2 cents, thanks.

[cantab]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

I've mentioned this before in other threads - for resolution changing, install 'kcontrol' then run 'krandrtray' and you get a system tray app to switch to any resolution. Won't remember it on reboot unfortunately

[marshallbanana]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Jucato,

- Wine is there, Virtualbox is there, and other apps are constantly being added. But we need more packagers. So if you can lend a hand, please do.

How would I go about doing this?

A good place to start will be tutorial day
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3089349
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
the second of these links also links to two online guides on packaging.

I stil have not been able to setup java in firefox or opera, konqueror i don't care for.

Try the following in the command line, the first line installs it (using command line instead of the adept gui) and the next two lines are creating links in folders so it will work with firefox:
sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts
sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so
sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/mozilla-javaplugin.so

Indeed install codecs for mp3 etc (.rm havent looked at since tv out is not working yet)

Again, there are legal lisencing reasons why mp3 (and similar) codecs cannot be installed by default. But the first time you try to play them in Amarok you are prompted to install them. This is basically the best compromise possible.

[Jean]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Thanks for the tips people, good luck.
Greetings from Groningen, netherlands

[b0uncyfr0]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Continuing from my previous list

9) Can we get Gimp installed by default. Im sure a lot of people would find this handy.

10) More webcam/microphone support if possible.

11) X.org configured so that all mouse buttons work seamlessly.

12) A better system settings manager. No offense but the current one does nothing but break everything. Eg. Monitor and Display.

[Fenyx]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

First, an update. The schedule of sessions for the Kubuntu Tutorials Day have been changed a bit. Please check https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay for more info.

@integr8e: How? Join the Tutorials Day next week, or drop by #kubuntu-devel in IRC. You can start from there. Or you can try reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide for starters. (I'm not the best person to ask about wireless...)

@b0uncyfr0: if even Firefox isn't installed, how much more a very GTK-heavy application like the GIMP? If only we had more CD space... Once a upon a Kubuntu, Krita was installed by default btw...

webcam/microphone support: webcams are particularly tricky I think when it comes to drivers. microphones should usually work out of the box...

X.org + all mouse buttons: my left, middle, and right mouse buttons work perfectly. Oh, you mean other buttons? again driver problems, but I think this one's easier to solve or is actually already possible (I think the evdev driver takes care of it).

System Settings: System Settings is actually just a "wrapper" to KDE control modules (kcm's). It's made up of 2 types of kcm's: KDE default ones, and the ones Kubuntu made, which includes Monitor & Display. Yeah it needs a bit of work. (Monitor & Display never worked for me...).

EDIT: Regarding the GIMP, if you just need very basic imagine manipulation/editing features, Kubuntu ships with the KIPI Plugins, a set of tools that give you basic effects and image manipulation options. Used with Digikam, you basically have a basic GIMP features. Now if you want more power than that, then remember that the basic, 1 CD installation is meant for the most common desktop uses.

[integr8e]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

How about incorporating keyboard shortcuts for the cut/copy/paste functions in Konsole and Yakuake? I know it's probably for the KDE devs, but that's what makes FOSS so cool!

[marshallbanana]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

There are, at least for paste: Shift-Insert