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**arochester** · Dec 12, 2006, 07:22 AM

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where does a guy start with a) getting a suitable driver

You shouldn't need a driver. So you have a computer connected to a (modem) router by an ethernet cable. Are you dual booting? Can Windows connect and Linux not? What happens it you open KMenu>System Settings>Network Settings? Does it show eth0 as active? Could it be your (modem) router? What make and model is your (modem) router? Is it the dreaded USB?

**buildyourown** · Dec 12, 2006, 08:10 AM

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sorry i should have included my setup. Was a W2k machine and everything worked fine but decided to give linux a go so during install made the whole disc available for Linux hence not dual booting.
Have broadband router connected via cable but wireless also an option. Have an XP machine also connected to router and it has access to internet and I can ping the linux machine so problem I think is with the linux setup?
In the network menu eth0 is showing as active and DHCP option checked. I have basic network knowledge but don't know where to start with this! Router is Netopia 3300 I think - not USB!

**arochester** · Dec 12, 2006, 08:30 AM

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Have you used security in you router to only use certain MAC addresses? Do you know the protocol your ISP uses for connection? Could it be pppoe? Do you have to give a username and password to connect?

**buildyourown** · Dec 12, 2006, 10:43 AM

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Hi thanks for posting again.
The setup is all out of the box stuff. The machine i put linux on was connected to the router via cable so all the hardware was working. Another machine connected to the same router connects fine with XP. Installed Kubuntu on old machine plugged in the cable and nada. In windows my next move would be to install drivers for the card but you seem to be saying that's not the case in Linux. Protocol is nothing strange or startling I imagine - I don't input a username/password.
Thanks for any assistance!
P

**jnorris235** · Dec 12, 2006, 01:13 PM

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With the best will in the world, you'll get nowhere. I and many others have tried asking over and over (as youll know from Googling!)

You seem to need the old Windows driver. (Mine is a pre-N Belkin/Netgear card not supported out of the box).
You seem to need ndiswrapper which allows linux to use this Windows driver.

Then you're told you need ndiswrapper-utils.

Either people tell you to use apt-get to get them off the net (which you can't access!!!!) or get them some other way and do something with them.

THEN you're told to use those items with the 'make' command WHICH DOESN'T EXIST IN KUBUNTU!!!! Please!!!

Then people tend to go away and leave you.

And sadly they all (wonderful nice people, and I'm honestly not being sarcastic!!) speak Linux jargon. I'm not totally sure us Windows newbies are actually wanted................................

Only a bit fedup after a month of trying and so many hours on Google!

**badseed** · Dec 12, 2006, 02:23 PM

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do not get discouraged, like all systems out there. Not everything just works on install. I went through this when I first started on Linux and BSD, 5 or 6 years ago, I needed to connect via modem.

Check the hardware if its older or not supported, you can pick up network cards for dirt cheap. This in the long run will be much easier than hours of searching. If you want to spend a little extra on a network card, 3com and Intel's usually work in all OS's on install.

You can try moving your network card out of your XP box, also test it by running from the linux off the cd if you have net access here you will or SHOULD have it on install.

As far as the MAC address, your router should have it already, but an easy fix just reboot the router or refresh it if you have that option.

**jnorris235** · Dec 12, 2006, 04:43 PM

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Shame no-one can answer the 'make' problem?
Where are the guys that wrote Kubuntu - and, to my limited knowledge - have left this gaping hole (i.e. a command that lots of people tell you to use but which doesn't exist.
There must be an answer - is it possible one of the actual key people can address this problem instead of dozens of helpful people just guessing?
How to use the ndiswraper which needs the make command.
Where is the make command.
Is there a moderator or anyone else who actually knows the answer, please?

**buildyourown1** · Dec 12, 2006, 04:55 PM

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thanks all for replying. I'll take the advise and spring for a new card - if that works then great otherwise it seems like too much effort just to get a frigging network card up and running - and that's before the wireless can of worms.
Cheers anyway.

**kubicle** · Dec 13, 2006, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by jnorris235

Shame no-one can answer the 'make' problem?
Where are the guys that wrote Kubuntu - and, to my limited knowledge - have left this gaping hole (i.e. a command that lots of people tell you to use but which doesn't exist.

'make' (and other basic compiling tools) are available for kubuntu, but they're not installed by default...probably because most people don't need to compile anything (whether it should be installed by default is of course a matter of debate :P)

Basically you should install the 'build-essential' package which will install the compiling tools (including make)...of course if you do not have a working internet connection, installing build-essential is not as straight-forward as simply installing with adept (or apt-get or synaptic), but as a work-around, you can add the install CD as a repository and install build-essential from there (I think the liveCD won't work for that, but I'm not 100% sure of that, in which case you need the 'alternate CD'). You can add a CD as repository with:

Code:

sudo apt-cdrom add

You can also add a cd with synaptic if you prefer synaptic to adept

Originally posted by buildyourown

sorry i should have included my setup. Was a W2k machine and everything worked fine but decided to give linux a go so during install made the whole disc available for Linux hence not dual booting.
Have broadband router connected via cable but wireless also an option. Have an XP machine also connected to router and it has access to internet and I can ping the linux machine so problem I think is with the linux setup?
In the network menu eth0 is showing as active and DHCP option checked. I have basic network knowledge but don't know where to start with this! Router is Netopia 3300 I think - not USB!

If you can ping the linux machine, it suggests that the basic networking is working...can you ping the win machine from linux?

And your router settings are OK?

There are a few networking troubleshooting checklists available. Here's one you can try:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25557

**rovernaut** · Dec 13, 2006, 04:40 AM

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If your using a USB cable to connect your modem, then try it with an ethernet cable instead.
USB cables have been known to not work with Linux

**buildyourown1** · Dec 13, 2006, 07:17 AM

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Hi again
I can ping the linux machine from XP but not the other way around - I get network unreachable. Will have a go with the checklist thanks but can't say I'm optimisitic. Am using an ethernet cable not USB.

Cheers

**arochester** · Dec 13, 2006, 09:02 AM

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Has Windows got a firewall and Linux not. That way you could ping from Windows to Linux, but not Linux to Windows...

**zaflaucich** · Dec 13, 2006, 09:06 AM

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Did you disabled ipv6?

**buildyourown1** · Dec 13, 2006, 10:28 AM

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Yes windows XP has a firewall - but tried pinging the router as well and get the same message - network unreachable.
what's IPV6 and how do you disable! - found this on google assume that will work for Kubuntu?
http://computeraddict.neo-addict.net...ntudisableipv6
cheers

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