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**Snowhog** · Oct 06, 2015, 07:02 AM

Just keep in mind that it's an Operating System and not a bunch of independent applications, and as such, dependancies between applications exist by design. So, even if there are applications and/or processes that you don't have a need for, the OS may require them. If there is a service running that you don't require (but the OS does), it can be 'turned off/disabled'.

**NickStone** · Oct 06, 2015, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Snowhog View Post

Just keep in mind that it's an Operating System and not a bunch of independent applications, and as such, dependancies between applications exist by design. So, even if there are applications and/or processes that you don't have a need for, the OS may require them. If there is a service running that you don't require (but the OS does), it can be 'turned off/disabled'.

That's all very well but why should an OS need bluetooth software when your PC does not have a bluetooth enabled device? I know that distributions such as Kubuntu are developed in general to suite most PC's but especially with a "free" (free meaning open) OS the end user should have the final say as to what he/she wants installed on the PC's.

Having such software included without permission from the user is akin to using an OS from Microsoft or Apple who want full control as to what you can have on your PC.

**oshunluvr** · Oct 06, 2015, 12:55 PM

A reality check is in order here: I remember back in KDE3 that you couldn't uninstall Thai language support. Point being, these sort of things are decided by those that do the developing. It's part of the open-source free OS ecosystem. That doesn't mean you have to live with it, but the way to get it changed is to convince the developers to see your point or figure out a way around it or become a developer of the project. It is not comparable to MS which dictates and controls and then charges you for the privilege of them controlling you. Here, you have the ability to provide input or assistance or fix it yourself. With Windows or OS/X you cannot.

Honestly, most of theses sorts of things rarely cause serious problems because if they do - the developers get all kinds of flack and fix the issue. Is it really heinous that bluetooth sits on your system doing nothing? Did the Thai language files cause me any problems just because they were there? Does the fact that SDDM theme reports battery level on the log in screen on my desktop PC causing me any real problems? No, no, and no.

I always remind myself: I did not pay anything for the OS or most of my software. I am free to change to another DE or OS if I don't like the way this one works. I am free to examine and edit the source and compile it myself.

As I think Snowhog was trying to point out, the alternative to having dependencies is to have every single program carry all it's requirements with it. Then you could end up with a very bloated and redundant pile of files. I don't like that idea. Talk about comparing to Winblows...

...no bluetooth adapter? Just go into system settings and turn it off.

**vinnywright** · Oct 06, 2015, 01:04 PM

I do not see a large part of the system being removed ?

Code:

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ sudo apt-get -s remove --purge bluez
[sudo] password for vinny: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  linux-headers-4.2.0-12 linux-headers-4.2.0-12-generic linux-image-4.2.0-12-generic
  linux-image-extra-4.2.0-12-generic
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[COLOR=#ff0000]The following packages will be REMOVED:
  bluedevil* bluez* pulseaudio-module-bluetooth*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Purg bluedevil [4:5.4.2-0ubuntu1]
Purg pulseaudio-module-bluetooth [1:6.0-0ubuntu12]
Purg bluez [5.34-0ubuntu1][/COLOR]
vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$

VINNY

**claydoh** · Oct 06, 2015, 01:20 PM

I haven't come across any one place that will have a comprehensive set of how- tos out there. There will be forum posts, askubuntu.com qestions, blogs, mailing list messages that cover things. However, with all the different versions of things out there - distro, kernel, and desktop - it will take some research to discover what you need.

As to removing bits, yes, uninstalling something may also cause other bits to be removed. Debian based systems break things down into smaller bits, so unless the list is huge, it is very likely that all those secondary things are safe to ditch. But you'll have to determine that yourself.

As to including all these extra things, well sure the main distros include things to suit as wide a set of needs as possible. Choices are made, compromised may taken. But that does not mean one does not have choices.

However, it does not equate each and every distro having to take the OS (Linux - the kernel, basically) and make it so everthing everyone wants it to be in every case. Sorry, but that's what specialist distros are for, else research and learning how to plumb the innards to get yours to do what you want.

Than there's whatever the desktop environment does on top of that to annoy or delight you

Sent from my LG G4

**oshunluvr** · Oct 06, 2015, 01:22 PM

Good catch Vinny, @here it only removes 2 (no pulse-audio file)

stuart@office:~$ sudo apt-get -s remove --purge bluetooth
[sudo] password for stuart:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
bluetooth* bluez-utils*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Purg bluez-utils [4.101-0ubuntu25]
Purg bluetooth [4.101-0ubuntu25]

**vinnywright** · Oct 06, 2015, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by oshunluvr View Post

Good catch Vinny, @here it only removes 2 (no pulse-audio file)

@hear on Kubuntu-15.10 their is NO bluetooth installed by default ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Code:

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ dpkg -l | grep blue
ii  bluedevil                                     4:5.4.2-0ubuntu1                           amd64        KDE Bluetooth stack
ii  bluez                                         5.34-0ubuntu1                              amd64        Bluetooth tools and daemons
ii  bluez-cups                                    5.34-0ubuntu1                              amd64        Bluetooth printer driver for CUPS
ii  bluez-obexd                                   5.34-0ubuntu1                              amd64        bluez obex daemon
ii  libbluedevil5:amd64                           4:5.2.2-0ubuntu3                           amd64        Qt wrapper for bluez
ii  libbluetooth3:amd64                           5.34-0ubuntu1                              amd64        Library to use the BlueZ Linux Bluetooth stack
ii  libkf5bluezqt-data                            5.14.0-0ubuntu1                            all          data files for bluez-qt
ii  libkf5bluezqt6:amd64                          5.14.0-0ubuntu1                            amd64        Qt wrapper for bluez
ii  pulseaudio-module-bluetooth                   1:6.0-0ubuntu12                            amd64        Bluetooth module for PulseAudio sound server
ii  qml-module-org-kde-bluezqt:amd64              5.14.0-0ubuntu1                            amd64        QML wrapper for bluez

the OP @Simon is on 14.04 ,,,,,,,so to be sure I should go boot to it and check ,,,,,,,,be back in a few

VINNY

**vinnywright** · Oct 06, 2015, 02:46 PM

and on 14.04 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Code:

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ dpkg -l | grep blue
ii  bluedevil                                   2.0~rc1really1.3.2-0ubuntu1             amd64        KDE Bluetooth stack
ii  bluez                                       4.101-0ubuntu13.1                       amd64        Bluetooth tools and daemons
ii  bluez-alsa:amd64                            4.101-0ubuntu13.1                       amd64        Bluetooth ALSA support
ii  bluez-cups                                  4.101-0ubuntu13.1                       amd64        Bluetooth printer driver for CUPS
ii  libbluedevil1:amd64                         2.0~rc1really1.9.4-0ubuntu1             amd64        Qt wrapper for bluez
ii  libbluetooth3:amd64                         4.101-0ubuntu13.1                       amd64        Library to use the BlueZ Linux Bluetooth stack
ii  pulseaudio-module-bluetooth                 1:4.0-0ubuntu11.1                       amd64        Bluetooth module for PulseAudio sound server
ii  python-bluez                                0.18-2                                  amd64        Python wrappers around BlueZ for rapid bluetooth development

and

Code:

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ sudo apt-get -s remove --purge bluez
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  linux-headers-3.13.0-63 linux-headers-3.13.0-63-generic
  linux-image-3.13.0-63-generic linux-image-extra-3.13.0-63-generic
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  bluedevil* bluez* bluez-alsa*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 13 not upgraded.
Purg bluedevil [2.0~rc1really1.3.2-0ubuntu1]
Purg bluez-alsa [4.101-0ubuntu13.1]
Purg bluez [4.101-0ubuntu13.1]

VINNY

**claydoh** · Oct 06, 2015, 04:58 PM

Try uninstalling akonadi in 14.04. That is tied to a number of desktop essentials, iirc, so it is difficult at best to get rid of. I believe that kde set it that way; it now looks to be quite possible in plasma 5.4 to remove it all, as well as Kontact, without removing most of the desktop, so they are improving things in that regard. As to why there is a mail notification akonadi-resouce running when there is no mail account present *is* something that could raise an eyebrow, though I'm guessing that they consider this a tiny amount of ram or cpu cycles and worth having around ready to go for the many who still use email clients.

These akonadi resources should be removable in System Settings

For disabling Bluetooth, look here
http://askubuntu.com/questions/51533...-kubuntu-14-04

Sent from my LG G4

**claydoh** · Oct 06, 2015, 05:00 PM

Actually, askubuntu.com may be a good resource for many of the things you seek, and may already have answers for a few.

Sent from my LG G4

**vinnywright** · Oct 06, 2015, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by claydoh View Post

Try uninstalling akonadi in 14.04. That is tied to a number of desktop essentials, iirc, so it is difficult at best to get rid of. I believe that kde set it that way; it now looks to be quite possible in plasma 5.4 to remove it all, as well as Kontact, without removing most of the desktop, so they are improving things in that regard. As to why there is a mail notification akonadi-resouce running when there is no mail account present *is* something that could raise an eyebrow, though I'm guessing that they consider this a tiny amount of ram or cpu cycles and worth having around ready to go for the many who still use email clients.

These akonadi resources should be removable in System Settings

For disabling Bluetooth, look here
http://askubuntu.com/questions/51533...-kubuntu-14-04

Sent from my LG G4

the only problem I smell about the Blocking Bluetooth with rfkill like in the link ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is that 1 the OP dose not have a bluetooth adapter to begin with ,,,,, and 2 ,,,although rfkill will block the bluetooth adapter

Code:

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ rfkill list
0: hci0: Bluetooth
        Soft blocked: yes
        Hard blocked: no                                                                                                                                        
1: phy0: Wireless LAN                                                                                                                                           
        Soft blocked: no                                                                                                                                        
        Hard blocked: no

it dose not stop the daemon from running,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Code:

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ ps aux | grep blue                                                                                               
root       985  0.0  0.0  19424  3828 ?        Ss   19:28   0:00 /usr/sbin/bluetoothd
vinny     3212  0.0  0.0  11752  2200 pts/12   S+   19:29   0:00 grep --color=auto blue

and all that unneaded software is still installed ,,,,,,,,,and I think that was one of the OP's concerns as well

VINNY

**elijathegold** · Oct 07, 2015, 05:51 AM

I don't think Kubuntu has ever been intended to be a "minimal" distribution. The trade off for a quick and easy set up with mostly sane defaults is that some software you don't need will be installed and some services you don't need will be running. I can't think of a lightweight Linux running KDE, because, and let's be honest here, it's a tightly integrated behemoth of an environment. Apparently, slightly less so with Plasma 5.

There are lightweight distributions out there, Crunchbang++, AntiX and LinuxLiteOS to name a few, but they tend to take more effort to set up how you want them. There is also the possibility of a Debian net install or Ubuntu Minimal Install and then building your own perfect environment. In such a case, as I learnt early on with a Debian net install, stay away from packages named something-desktop and instead, locate and install the individual components.

**Simon** · Oct 07, 2015, 12:20 PM

Thank you all, I must have been given some "poor advice" from the Ubuntu forum I was researching. The line to purge the bluetooth ended with bluez* and when I tried it listed a ton of packages. Instead I did "sudo apt-get remove --purge bluez" and it seems just fine now. I do understand that the only way to have a "perfect OS" is to actually build it yourself. Just as Mark Twain wrote; Did you imagine the same heaven would suit all sorts of men? I am not trying to be picky, I am just one of those Zen Minimalists.

Still, it would be pretty sweet, to find another blog page like the one I used years ago for my XP (www.blackviper.com). Black Viper has everything laid out so you could eliminate most of the bloat in the system. I haven't found anything close to that kind of information. I also realize the reason for this is no one blog can lay everything out because of all the distro flavors of Linux available.

Thanks again.

**claydoh** · Oct 07, 2015, 02:05 PM

Well, if you ask all the right questions, and record what you used to get to your goals, you are halfway there to making such a site.......just sayin' 😄

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