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**millusions** · Nov 11, 2014, 04:20 PM

really?
a link to "Best Way To Clean Up Mac – Macbook Pro and Macbook Air"

i dont think you understood a word!

**Snowhog** · Nov 11, 2014, 04:30 PM

He's gone. Deleted the user account for being a product spammer.

**millusions** · Nov 11, 2014, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by Snowhog View Post

He's gone. Deleted the user account for being a product spammer.

nice work!

the files copied in 4 minutes to a mac formatted drive, so how does it need a cleanup?

besides the fact that the laptop is about 4 weeks old

wow! i've had a big mess of a ntfs usb drive, looked like total fs corrpution, someone mentioned here that linux is not very good with ntfs file persmission..
it was only meaningless movie files but after that im not game to try it again.
i cant do ext3-4 in case of other pc's not having the driver.

since ive upgraded or downgraded to a cisco router we lost gigabit ethernet, got a quote for a cisco with gigabit ports - 1400$ no thanks! so this drive is more for moving stuff between computers..
i think i'll just see how it goes with exfat and figure something out just for itunes.. not that its precious or anything but took hours to sort out 5000+ songs.

thanks for your input

**oshunluvr** · Nov 13, 2014, 07:16 AM

Supposedly, you can gain read/write access to HFS+ using linux if you disable journaling when you format it with your mac.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus

You don't need journaling on a thumb drive anyway IMO.

I believe exFAT will work on all three OS's and avoids the 4GB limit.

**millusions** · Nov 13, 2014, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by oshunluvr View Post

Supposedly, you can gain read/write access to HFS+ using linux if you disable journaling when you format it with your mac.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus

You don't need journaling on a thumb drive anyway IMO.

I believe exFAT will work on all three OS's and avoids the 4GB limit.

hey!

HFS is not going to play with Windows

yup - exFat seems to be the ultimate os for sharing between various os's

just need to work out why Mac Mavericks is so slow to write to it

**oshunluvr** · Nov 14, 2014, 06:38 AM

If I had to guess; it's because Apple doesn't own exFAT and therefore can't make any money off of it, so why make it work well? If they allowed you to share files easily with other OS's you might not buy their products. It's their primary business model. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to find out they've crippled it on purpose. Why do you suppose they created their own file system in the first place?

**millusions** · Nov 14, 2014, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by oshunluvr View Post

If I had to guess; it's because Apple doesn't own exFAT and therefore can't make any money off of it, so why make it work well? If they allowed you to share files easily with other OS's you might not buy their products. It's their primary business model. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to find out they've crippled it on purpose. Why do you suppose they created their own file system in the first place?

hey mate, thats a pretty silly thing to say, i take it you have 0 Mac products in your possession.

and somehow the ignorant massess think it's cool to trash talk Apple, but you have no idea how uncool that sounds to Mac users, to me it sounds like a baby eating its own ****ty nappy - i kid you not

**vinnywright** · Nov 14, 2014, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by millusions View Post

hey!

yup - exFat seems to be the ultimate os for sharing between various os's

A Hum ,,,,exFat is not an OS , it's a file system,,,,,,,,but I will assume you know this and it was a typo .

NTFS is prob the best choice for large file support between the 3 systems .

your previous problems with it were probably from it not being cleanly unmounted from one or more of the OS's and not running CHKDSK & defrag on it once and a wile in a windows OS .

I have 2 old HD's I use for transferring files to windows box's that are NTFS and haven't had any probs ................ Aaaaa but then that's me

VINNY

**millusions** · Nov 14, 2014, 08:50 PM

exFat is not an os? since when?

just kidding

thanks vinny,
i will try NTFS because what you and others have said about it here

**oshunluvr** · Nov 15, 2014, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by millusions View Post

hey mate, thats a pretty silly thing to say, i take it you have 0 Mac products in your possession.

and somehow the ignorant massess think it's cool to trash talk Apple, but you have no idea how uncool that sounds to Mac users, to me it sounds like a baby eating its own ****ty nappy - i kid you not

I've dealt with Apple and it's products many times and it's always a huge pain in the neck because of same reasons they use HFS+: They don't want users to be able to control their products or to step outside the Apple ecosystem. It's Apple's way or the highway. I just don't buy from companies who do business like they do. Sony pulled the same crap back in the 90's with their stereo equipment and it almost totally killed the division.

My above opinion about why Apple, and ONLY Apple, uses HFS+ remains the same and I believe has some logic to it. None of my motivation or opinion regarding Apple is based in "cool"-ness or is directed by the "ignorant massess" (sic) whoever they are. If you or anyone else have an opinion as to why my above conclusion is wrong, I'd listen. The humorous thing is you're the one having trouble (albeit a small trouble) with Apple's stand-alone methodology and yet you're apparently unable to accept it has failings.

BTW, I can't think of anything I care less about than whether or not Apple-Zombies think my opinion is cool or not. However, I'd prefer personal insults and colourful alliterations like "a baby eating its own ****ty nappy" - whatever that's supposed to mean - remain at your desk and not spill onto the forum. Obviously, we are going to continue to disagree on this topic but that doesn't require personal animosity.

Good day to you.

**millusions** · Nov 15, 2014, 08:03 AM

same old weak arguments,
HFS is the weakest ive heard so far, whats the analogy to this.
oh, i hate windows because they use Fat and NTFS because they want you to play it their way?
how ridiculous is that?

i hate linux, they force you to use some weird Ext4 file system that doesnt play nice with other computer..
ridiculous mate

it's late, so i wont pick on everything else you say, by no means i'm taking this personally, my mac happily shares ext4 drives by the way, but then windows wont

oh, and their business model, it is so crap, so unique and different to 100s of other companies, he he.

are you even aware that every MacOS comes with a program called Bootcamp that not only allows but welcomes users to install $hitty windows on their computers - that is confidence in their product, i dont see Windows doing the same.

i have been using computers for two decades and am embarrassed because most of that time i was a non-apple-zombie like you sir,
always coming up with some weak arguments why apple is bad, like the one button mouse.

the truth of the matter is that Apple is the most innovative computer company in the world and the rest of the world is just playing catchup to the standards Apple set. iPods change the way millions of people listen to music, the tablet market is simply trying to compete with iPad,
microsoft Surface Pro is just trying to be a macbook air (with a $hitty operating system)

there is just nothing in what you've said that shows anything wrong with an Apple product, but somehow, and this puzzles me always, you are too ignorant to see this.

have a good day, and please dont take offence

oh. here is a screenshot of bash on my Macbook Air running Mac OSx Mavericks, just so you can maybe find some downsides to it :

the funny thing is, i bought this Macbook Air to install Linux on it, researched it before i bought it, actually told the mac genius that that is what im going to do when i was buying it.... .... then he showed me the terminal with bash, my jaw dropped.. i was sold.
read up on it a bit.. the gist of it that Mac OSx is derived from Unix..
picture tells a 1000 words,, things have changed since the 90s buddy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_timeline.en.svg

**oshunluvr** · Nov 15, 2014, 09:18 AM

I don't use ext4 often. Linux doesn't force you to use any particular format, ext4 is just the default, but I won't call you ignorant for not knowing this.

I don't know if HFS+ is a poor format or not because I don't use it. However, NTFS and FAT32 have many well known weaknesses so I don't use them unless I am forced to - like you. However, this has nothing to do with my point about HFS+ and Apple. Clearly, you've missed the point and you still haven't addressed my statement, but don't bother: I doubt you have anything to add other than "Apple is awesome and you're not cool."

Mac OS is based on BSD which is based on UNIX. The big difference is Linux is GPL and open source (mostly) and everything Apple is not.

I didn't know about bootcamp - that's interesting, but of course why would we want windows on any device, much less on a macbook.

Just because Apple isn't the only company with predatory business practices doesn't mean they deserve a pass. The fact they make very nice hardware doesn't make it worth buying. I don't want to do things the Apple way so I don't buy their products.

I don't get the point of your comment about things having changed since the 90's - I was using Sony as an example of where Apple's business model can lead you. When was the last time you heard of a really great piece of Sony stereo equipment? They tried it again in this century with the memory stick. Apple has just been better at selling the koolaid.

Innovative? Some times, but just as often not. Oooo, did you hear? The new iPhone has a bigger screen! Wow!

**millusions** · Nov 15, 2014, 06:01 PM

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enjoy your nappy sir

**millusions** · Nov 15, 2014, 06:02 PM

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