start up to blank screen every time. live disk works but won't install. (again)

[FezMiester]

I just tried the .ini files for just xp - in the set up disk. - under 'wireless' folders that had .ini files that I saw failed with Nwrapper.
hmmm

[vinnywright]

ndiswrapper can be tricky ...you half to use 4 different commands !!(first the -i then the -m then the -ma then the -mi options)

so you found the XP drivers in a wireless folder on that disk for the Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter ?

thare should be 3 files (I think)please list them and the folder name .(to try to see if you have the right ones.

VINNY

[vinnywright]

ok so it's been a long time sence I had to use ndiswrapper so I dug up my old info he he.

first you should have at LEAST the .inf (yes .inf sorry for the typo) and the .sys for the wireless device (if thares more files in the folder copy them as well)

copy them from the disk to a folder in your /home I use ~/drivers (~/ is short for /home/you)
when you have the files in /home/you/drivers open a terminal their (you must be in the folder for these commands to work like I'm typing them)

first sense you have been playing with ndiswrapper lets check and see if you have anything installed by it

sudo ndiswrapper -l

that’s a lower case L ..if it shows a driver installed note the name of it,,,lets say it's driver.inf now remove it

sudo ndiswrapper -r driver.inf

now install the .inf you coped over , for this example we will call it atheros.inf change that to the actual name of the .inf

sudo ndiswrapper -i atheros.inf

now we write configuration for modprobe

sudo ndiswrapper -w

then we write module alias configuration for all devices

sudo ndiswrapper -ma

now we write module install configuration for all devices

sudo ndiswrapper -mi

finally we load the module you just made with ndiswrapper

sudo modprobe ndiswrapper

now IF you had the right driver files it should be working ??
if you are already root as most of your posts would seem you don’t kneed the sudo part of those commands

BUT it sure looks like your wireless is already up and recognized by the system ,,,,,,,just how have you tried to connect (exactly) and is your wireless access point using encryption (security)or is it open?

if you do a

sudo iwlist scan

do you get any results ? if so the card is doing something at least and should be working

VINNY

[FezMiester]

I choose to open root terminal - *shrugs could chose non root terminal but.. why?
I do see my wireless in this list.

the first network, WIND - 4vhuc is my network, It's sitting 1' from the computer. & yes it has WPA on. Built into preconfigured modem which comes with service.

wicd network manager is running in top bar. it says, " connected to wired network. / no wireless networks found
when I go to preferences, it says: realtech is designated for wireless and Eth0 is designated for wired connections.
-- somewhere back in the thread I posted that I found the realtech drivers through skimming threads and went and downloaded the package directly from the site -- because I could not get synaptic to find realtech at all..

I also installed wifi radar, which looks at the networks but can't connect to any of them. - I don't look at any open networks. I dunno if wifi radar would connect with out the wpa.

I may be barking up the wrong tree because I thing the VGA driver being used is old. - #1 upon loading debian goes through a screen that looks like colorful static on a miss tuned tv. -
the USB problem.
however ndiswrapper won't ever load those drivers I have. (I did copy the whole disk before into a folder on the desktop) because the external CD player I have is the only* usb device I have gotten working besides usb sticks.. every other usb device works on win xp laptop next to it..

I get this error when i open the /!\ sign on the computer. - saying I need to run updates. -
from update manager (as superuser)
An internal error has occured and the operation has been aborted.

Error message:
Fetch failed: E:The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/htp could not be found., E:The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/htp could not be found.

z)) I think my depositories are messed up. ;z((

When I click on the icon on the task bar it says it's connected with
root@192fez:/home/fezmiester# iwlist scan
lo Interface doesn't support scanning.

eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.

wlan0 Scan completed :
Cell 01 - Address: C8:64:C7:87:45:9E
Channel:6
Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
Quality=60/70 Signal level=-50 dBm
Encryption keyn
ESSID:"Wind WiFi c4Vhuc"
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
Bit Rates:24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Mode:Master
Extra:tsf=000000166225dc61
Extra: Last beacon: 788ms ago
IE: Unknown: 001057696E64205769466920633456687563
IE: Unknown: 010882848B960C121824
IE: Unknown: 030106
IE: Unknown: 0706475220010D14
IE: WPA Version 1
Group Cipher : CCMP
Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: Unknown: 2A0100
IE: Unknown: 32043048606C
IE: Unknown: DD180050F2020101030003A4000027A4000042435E0062322F 00
IE: Unknown: 2D1A0C1003FF00000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
IE: Unknown: 3D1606001800000000000000000000000000000000000000
IE: Unknown: DD6F0050F204104A0001101044000102103B00010310470010 00000000000010000000C864C787459E102100035A54451023 0005483130384C102400083132333435363738104200083132 3334353637381054000800060050F204000110110005483130 384C1008000201AA103C000103
IE: Unknown: DD0900037F01010000FF7F
IE: Unknown: DD0A00037F04010000000000
Cell 02 - Address: 08:76:FF:BC:F1:48
Channel:1
Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1)
Quality=19/70 Signal level=-91 dBm
Encryption keyn
ESSID:"ThomsonBCF148"
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s
18 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Bit Rates:6 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s
Mode:Master
Extra:tsf=0000014abff2c180
Extra: Last beacon: 1248ms ago
IE: Unknown: 000D54686F6D736F6E424346313438
IE: Unknown: 010882848B961224486C
IE: Unknown: 030101
IE: Unknown: 2A0104
IE: Unknown: 32040C183060
IE: Unknown: 2D1A0C0017FF00000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
IE: Unknown: 3D1601000100000000000000000000000000000000000000
IE: Unknown: 3E0100
IE: Unknown: DD180050F2020101000003A4000027A4000042435E0062322F 00
IE: Unknown: 7F0101
IE: Unknown: DD07000C4300000000
IE: Unknown: DD1E00904C330C0017FF000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000
IE: Unknown: DD1A00904C3401000100000000000000000000000000000000 000000
IE: Unknown: DD820050F204104A0001101044000102103B00010310470010 AA7274DC5BAF5A0381014DED3FCD1F691021000754484F4D53 4F4E1023000A54686F6D736F6E205447102400063538352076 38104200093131313953464C5A591054000800060050F20400 011011001054686F6D736F6E20544735383520763810080002 0084103C000103
Cell 03 - Address: 00:25:867:B8:1F
Channel:2
Frequency:2.417 GHz (Channel 2)
Quality=28/70 Signal level=-82 dBm
Encryption keyn
ESSID:"petrakas"
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Bit Rates:6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s
Mode:Master
Extra:tsf=0000005fa6e0d35a
Extra: Last beacon: 1088ms ago
IE: Unknown: 000870657472616B6173
IE: Unknown: 010882848B962430486C
IE: Unknown: 030102
IE: Unknown: 2A0100
IE: Unknown: 2F0100
IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
Group Cipher : CCMP
Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: Unknown: 32040C121860
IE: Unknown: 2D1A7E181BFFFF000001000000000000000000000000000000 000000
IE: Unknown: 3D16020D0400000000000000000000000000000000000000
IE: Unknown: DD730050F204104A00011010440001021041000100103B0001 0310470010E46BC637EA852BA391E57B30C273C9F510210007 54502D4C494E4B1023000754502D4C494E4B10240006313233 34353610420004313233341054000800060050F20400011011 000954442D57383936304E100800020088
IE: Unknown: DD090010180201F4050000
IE: WPA Version 1
Group Cipher : CCMP
Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: Unknown: DD180050F2020101800003A4000027A4000042435E0062322F 00
IE: Unknown: DD1E00904C337E181BFFFF0000010000000000000000000000 00000000000000
IE: Unknown: DD1A00904C34020D0400000000000000000000000000000000 000000
Cell 04 - Address: 00:1E:2A:F03:66
Channel:11
Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11)
Quality=20/70 Signal level=-90 dBm
Encryption keyn
ESSID:"NETGEAR"
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Bit Rates:6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s
Mode:Master
Extra:tsf=000000b063dc018a
Extra: Last beacon: 452ms ago
IE: Unknown: 00074E455447454152
IE: Unknown: 010882848B962430486C
IE: Unknown: 03010B
IE: Unknown: 2A0102
IE: Unknown: 2F0102
IE: Unknown: 32040C121860
IE: Unknown: DD060010180200F4
IE: WPA Version 1
Group Cipher : TKIP
Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
Cell 05 - Address: 94:0C:6D:B3:C7:54
Channel:2
Frequency:2.417 GHz (Channel 2)
Quality=21/70 Signal level=-89 dBm
Encryption keyn
ESSID:"petrakas"
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
Bit Rates:24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Mode:Master
Extra:tsf=000000000d5a9c6a
Extra: Last beacon: 1272ms ago
IE: Unknown: 000870657472616B6173
IE: Unknown: 010882848B960C121824
IE: Unknown: 030102
IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
Group Cipher : TKIP
Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: WPA Version 1
Group Cipher : TKIP
Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: Unknown: 2A0104
IE: Unknown: 32043048606C
IE: Unknown: DD180050F2020101810003A4000027A4000042435E0062322F 00
IE: Unknown: DD1E00904C33CE111BFFFF0000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000
IE: Unknown: 2D1ACE111BFFFF000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
IE: Unknown: DD1A00904C3402051900000000000000000000000000000000 000000
IE: Unknown: 3D1602051900000000000000000000000000000000000000
IE: Unknown: DD0900037F01010000FF7F
IE: Unknown: DD0A00037F04010000004000
Cell 06 - Address: B0:755:36:F6:20
Channel:13
Frequency:2.472 GHz (Channel 13)
Quality=17/70 Signal level=-93 dBm
Encryption keyn
ESSID:"OTE36f620"
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s
18 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Bit Rates:6 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s
Mode:Unknown/bug
Extra:tsf=000000263143b1ad
Extra: Last beacon: 236ms ago
IE: Unknown: 00094F5445333666363230
IE: Unknown: 010882848B961224486C
IE: Unknown: 03010D
IE: Unknown: 32040C183060
IE: Unknown: 33082001020304050607
IE: Unknown: 33082105060708090A0B
IE: Unknown: 050400010000
IE: Unknown: 2A0106
IE: WPA Version 1
Group Cipher : TKIP
Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
IE: Unknown: DD180050F2020101000003A4000027A4000042435E0062322F 00
IE: Unknown: 0B0500030E7A12
IE: Unknown: DD07000C4304000000

pan0 Interface doesn't support scanning.

root@192fez:/home/fezmiester#

general settings – use general DNS servers – unchecked (bad?)

checked* third party*
http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ - binary squeeze updates
http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ source code
htp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable releases ( I changed the htp to http in the beginning. Now--

http://security.debian.org/ stable
http://security.debian.org/ stable source code

http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian wheezy
http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy
(both are close to me IT & DE...

I think I should have other ones in here but I dunno which ones..
I know I can't find software I saw on ubuntu .. adding these repositories.. different systems. - I don't want to go crazy here.. lol
s

[Snowhog]

Are you running Debian, and not Kubuntu? Even if you are running Kubuntu, you have repositories for three different 'states' of Debian - squeeze, stable, and wheezy. That alone is guaranteed to give you all sorts of problems.

[vinnywright]

FezMiester aaa FezMiester

I must agree with @ Snowhog hear ....why did you do that ?

and you are jumping all over the place and trying to do to much at once without knowing what you are doing !!
you must slow down and research what needs to be done to fix 1 problem at a time then move on to the next one.
besides having "three different 'states' of Debian - squeeze, stable, and wheezy." you also have more than one network manager running which will/can also cause problems.

at this point I would start over with a clean install pick a problem and stay with it until resolved then move on to the next problem .
you can not just start adding things and changing configs all over the place and expect to stay stable.

if you want to try to get Kubuntu back on and running let us know before you try it and we will try to walk you through it .....if you want to redo Debian we will try to help of course but you may get better help on a Debian forum (their are some people hear that use Debian)

from your "lspci" output I dont think I see any hardware on that box that shouldn’t work !!

good luck
VINNY

[FezMiester]

I removed the ftp.it.debian.org -- & that error message went away. - I dunno why italy doesn't have a repository anymore ;z
anyway

the security error as follows I dunno which of the 2 secuirty to deleat .. do you?


Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry non/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sta...64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sta...64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sta...64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sta...64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80]
Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead

[Snowhog]

You shouldn't be using any debian sources, so remove them. In my /etc/apt/sources.list file, these are the active repository entries:

deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise main restricted
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise-updates main restricted
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise universe
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise-updates universe
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise multiverse
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise-updates multiverse
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise-backports main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise-security main restricted
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise-security universe
deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise-security multiverse
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise partner
deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise main

[FezMiester]

Well....

If I'm reinstalling at this point.
If I do it to Debian most things haven't worked 'really'.
however kubuntu was working until it crashed beyond repair. ;z) & I have some idea how to avoid that again.
So I would reinstall kubuntu. -- I have no problem doing back ups. - I didn't back up when it was working because it wasn't stable enough for me the first 5 days. Due to series of errors that didn't get to go away. lol
-
I think you see why.

*keeping up under the strain*

duel booting is a definite goal. kubuntu/ mint / suse

Suse ran the best for me for years... always a 2ndary machine but it did. I always had a friend that would come over and spend 10 minutes in terminal when installing a distribution to a new machine; and then I would never have a problem afterwards lol. -- I think that makes me an end user. ;z/ (after our joint business failed we haven't spoken much)

[vinnywright]

ok then hear is a pointer or two .

I triple boot 3 linux's my main install Kubuntu-12.04 a testing partition that currently has Ubuntu-12.04 and Backtrack on the third.
my disk partitioning is as follows.

vinny@Vinnys-HP-G62:~$ sudo fdisk -l
[sudo] password for vinny:

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xdd97eece

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 63 8193149 4096543+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda2 * 8193150 50813594 21310222+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda3 50813595 461933009 205559707+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda4 461933071 976768064 257417497 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 461933073 523718999 30892963+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda6 523719063 586243979 31262458+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda7 586244043 976768064 195262011 83 Linux

/dev/sda1 (4Gig's)is my swap partition I put it up front out of habit becose I do a lot of audio/video recoding and I want it to have the quickest access times it can have , this may be old stile thinking and it could probably be at the back as far as that line of thought goes!!

/dev/sda2 (21Gig's) is my main install and just the / (root)system
/dev/sda3 (210Gig's) is my main install just the /home/ part of the system
/dev/sda4 is an extended partition that takes up the rest of the drive becose a hard drive can only have 4 primary partitions and 3 are used up now , an extended partition can have a large number of logical partitions and is how you get around the 4 primary limitation , the rest of the partitions are logical ones inside the extended one .
/dev/sda5 (31Gig's) is the Ubuntu-12.04 / and /home/
/dev/sda6 (32Gig's) is the Backtrack install / and /home
/dev/sda7 (200Gig's) storage every one can use

Kubuntu's install /dev/sda2 controls Grub (the boot loader) for booting all this and during Kubuntu's install process Grub was installed to /sda or MBR as it were.
subsequent installs (sda5 and sda6) eather did not/do not get a grub install or if not installing the Grub was not an option it was installed to the root of that installation , so in the case of Ubuntu Grub got installed to /dev/sda5 ......it is then necessary to boot into Kubuntu (sense that’s the one controlling grub in sda/MBR )and run "sudo update-grub"in a terminal to get the Ubuntu install added to grubs config. THEN reboot and you will find Ubuntu in grubs Boot menu and can boot it .

So if you plan on having a multi boot machine I would suggest making a Gparted or parted magic live USB and do the partitioning befor installing anything , then wile doing the install at the disk setup part chose manual and point the installer to your premade partitions.this is also ware you will find the dropdown box to tell it where to install Grub

VINNY

[FezMiester]

So if you plan on having a multi boot machine I would suggest making a Gparted or parted magic live USB and do the partitioning befor installing anything , then wile doing the install at the disk setup part chose manual and point the installer to your premade partitions.this is also ware you will find the dropdown box to tell it where to install Grub"

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ - this looks like a great gui for after install management .. not during install.

when you install kubuntu I remember the manual disk sector / location section. - I remember it because I tried manually 3 or 4 times and then I got frustrated when I failed and I just gave up and set it to automatic / use whole disk. -

So instead of using Netbootin - to burn the .iso onto a usb stick or any drive for that matter I should use a 'parted magic live' usb to do that job..

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ just looks like it will do that after install... but I have been wrong before. - or do I use that on the drive I write the .iso to and then write 2 .iso images onto the the same 'usb' drive and when I boot they will have puppies or something? lol

HHmmmmmm
;z)

[vinnywright]

So if you plan on having a multi boot machine I would suggest making a Gparted or parted magic live USB and do the partitioning befor installing anything , then wile doing the install at the disk setup part chose manual and point the installer to your premade partitions.this is also ware you will find the dropdown box to tell it where to install Grub"

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ - this looks like a great gui for after install management .. not during install.

no not during install BEFORE install.
that is what I did ......

when you install kubuntu I remember the manual disk sector / location section. - I remember it because I tried manually 3 or 4 times and then I got frustrated when I failed and I just gave up and set it to automatic / use whole disk. -

So instead of using Netbootin - to burn the .iso onto a usb stick or any drive for that matter I should use a 'parted magic live' usb to do that job..

you should use Gparted or parted magic live-usb to make the partitions you kneed before installing , yes.

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ just looks like it will do that after install... but I have been wrong before. - or do I use that on the drive I write the .iso to and then write 2 .iso images onto the the same 'usb' drive and when I boot they will have puppies or something? lol

no you make it just like any live-usb !!

something must be getting lost in the translation because you do not seem to be getting what I mean or say.
please do some more study on this ......or keep asking questions before you attempt this again.

VINNY

[FezMiester]

Hi VINNY,

I was taking a brake from internet and coputers at a cottage.

So, now that I'm back, What I understand is that I can get rid of this messed up Debian install by using the gparted usb live.
then install my primary linux install. - kubuntu - as shown above,
then use the usual usb live install. with the 1 root install for the grub,
then use 2nd and 3rd usb live installs following manual partition. - subsequent sections.

The need for gparted is primarily to get rid of the current install. & setting up the new partitions is good because the subsequent installs will ( this is the part I don't understand) - why multiple installs will not recognize themselves. presetting the partitions will be preset so they are followed by the live installs.

yes this is where I need to do more reading. but-
;z)

[SteveRiley]

A suggestion, if I may. It's very difficult for us to understand what your actual goal is because you've documented so many different attempts with widly varying procedures and outcomes. We could help you better if you:

1. Think for a moment about what you want the finished result to be
2. Remind us what kind of computer and hardware you have
3. Express what you want to accomplish in clear terms
4. Resist the urge to self-interpret or guess what you think the right procedures or products are

Allow me to provide an example.

I have a computer with two 500 GB drives and nVidia GeForce 123456 graphics. I would like to install Kubuntu, Debian, and CentOS. Kubuntu and Debian should be on the first drive, and CentOS on the second drive. Each operating system should be in its own partition, and I would also like to have a separate partition for documents and music that can be seen by all three operating systems.

Remember: what I wrote above is simply an example. But if you could follow that format, and tell us what you really have, and what outcome you want, then it will be much easier for us to suggest a process.

[HalationEffect]

Steve, your post made me think of Eric S Raymond's How to Ask Questions the Smart Way - thanks for reminding me of that gem, I'd almost forgotten about it.