Installation Problem

[giorgi81]

Hello all,

I am very new in linux. Saturday I had problems with XP. So I found kubuntu 7 disk. I installed it, than upgraded to kubuntu 8. After I installed update manager, and then tried to upgrade to kubuntu 10.
So, update manager downloaded required packages and started to install. after 1 hour it quit install and froze everything, keyboard, mouse, etc...
So, I booted manually using power button, and restarted.
But it only show me the consol screen with text: wn-block(0,0)

Then I booted from CD, installed again kubuntu 7, upgraded to 8, tried to upgrade to 10, and the same story.... wn-block(0,0)...


Now I have a question, if I download kubuntu 10, burn on cd, and install it, will it work?
Please give me advise, I am really very new to linux. I know windows commands: next--> next-->...->finish

[giorgi81]

Re: Installation Problem

Hello all,

I am very new in linux. Saturday I had problems with XP. So I found kubuntu 7 disk. I installed it, than upgraded to kubuntu 8. After I installed update manager, and then tried to upgrade to kubuntu 10.
So, update manager downloaded required packages and started to install. after 1 hour it quit install and froze everything, keyboard, mouse, etc...
So, I booted manually using power button, and restarted.
But it only show me the consol screen with text: wn-block(0,0)

Then I booted from CD, installed again kubuntu 7, upgraded to 8, tried to upgrade to 10, and the same story.... wn-block(0,0)...


Now I have a question, if I download kubuntu 10, burn on cd, and install it, will it work?
Please give me advise, I am really very new to linux. I know windows commands: next--> next-->...->finish

[Detonate]

Re: Installation Problem

I think there is a very good chance that installing with a more recent version will work. I would suggest 10.10.

[The Liquidator]

Re: Installation Problem

If you have tried to install upgrade all the way from kubuntu 7.10 to 10.x (even if not in 1 go) I am not surprised you have got problems.

Get the kubuntu 10.10 live (desktop) cd. That's the best (easiest) way.

First - back up any important data on the windows partition if you haven't already done so.

Put the cd in and boot your machine. When asked take the "try kubuntu" option. Make sure everything works and then select "install".

Now a word of caution: I am pretty certain that when you did your first installation of kubuntu you allowed it to resize the windows partition and install itself in the resulting free space? If you did, I recommend you don't do the same thing again otherwise it will create a further partition. When you get to the "partitioning" stage choose the manual option and highlight the existing linux partition (it will probably be shown as ext 2 or ext 3).

The options you will need to choose for that partition are

Format - Yes
Filesystem - Ext 4 preferably
Label /description/mark as (I can't remember the exact term) etc "/" the root filesystem.

An experienced user would set up more partitions at this stage but at this point I think it's an unnecessary complication.

Also you need the system to recognise your windows partition. I assume it's NTFS, so note the filesystem option as such and under label there should be a windows option so select that. However Do not under any circumstances select the format option for that partition, otherwise you will delete windows!!!!!

Sorry if this is overkill but this is a critical point, which may forever influence your opinion of Linux in general. We would ultimately you to delete windows at some point, but only because you have taken an active decision to do so

If at any point up to hitting the button to make the changes you can back out if you are not sure

[woodsmoke]

Re: Installation Problem

Hi, if you don't have just an out of the park video card downloading 10 and burning to cd, and installing that is the best way to go.
If you do this, and are using only a windows programme the .iso file format is usually at the very bottom of a very long list for formats. That way the company can say it "supports" iso but give a nod to MS.

There is a burner for use in windows that is exclusively for burning .isos but they went somewhat commercial and the free version only allows one burn or something like that last time.

http://deepburner.com/

But, the big idea is that you are burning an ".iso" which is an "image".

Kubu has a "drivers" item in the menu and if you have a high end card you will probably get an unacceptably large but useable display. Do not change the drivers first.


I highly recommend downloading all updates and starting and restarting a couple of times to make sure things are then stable.

THEN download the drivers, it will automatically provide the one you need, click it and you are done.

woodsmoke

[giorgi81]

Re: Installation Problem

So, I installed again kubuntu 7, then downloaded kubuntu 10.10, burned to cd and installed it.
Then the perfomance was very low
So, I decided to switch to xubuntu, but sudo ---- did not work
Then I went to software center and query xubuntu desktop.
So it was found. After I istalled it....
But, stil when starting it shows kubuntu with xfce desktop, and when shutting down it again shows kubuntu...
I guess, I did not switch completely to xubuntu

Additionally I have problem with my printer. I downloadad from here http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/...ownload&page=1 driver, installed it, but I cannot print anything
It recognizes the printer, asks to print test page, but when ordering to print nothing happens

I looked to printer cd, but it contains only windows installers

Ido not know what to do

[giorgi81]

Re: Installation Problem

So, I installed again kubuntu 7, then downloaded kubuntu 10.10, burned to cd and installed it.
Then the perfomance was very low
So, I decided to switch to xubuntu, but sudo ---- did not work
Then I went to software center and query xubuntu desktop.
So it was found. After I istalled it....
But, stil when starting it shows kubuntu with xfce desktop, and when shutting down it again shows kubuntu...
I guess, I did not switch completely to xubuntu

Additionally I have problem with my printer. I downloadad from here http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/...ownload&page=1 driver, installed it, but I cannot print anything
It recognizes the printer, asks to print test page, but when ordering to print nothing happens

I looked to printer cd, but it contains only windows installers

Ido not know what to do

[The Liquidator]

Re: Installation Problem

Installing the xubuntu desktop will result in you running the xfce desktop but the underlying system will be kubuntu.

To explain - if you get hold of the appropriate disks, this is how they ship

ubuntu =ubuntu with gnome as default desktop.
kubuntu = ubuntu with kde as default desktop.
xubuntu = ubuntu with xfce as default desktop.

You can switch desktops at will, but when you do it won't alter the brand name. An installation from a kubuntu disk will always run as kubuntu.

I note the performance of 10.10 is very slow. It may be that you need a distro that needs fewer resources. What are your hardware specs?

On the question of your printer, openprinting.org describes it as a "paperweight". That means they cannot get it to work open drivers. However, it would appear that Canon have a linux driver for it

http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/...&type=download

Please bear in mind that this will not be a trivial task for someone new to Linux. Before going down this road I think we ought to get the machine otherwise working to your satisfaction first.

HTH

ADMINS/MODERATORS - this thread has moved away from a generic "how to" to discussion on an issues faced by an individual user. I think the last 4 posts would be better in a thread of their own so I wonder if you agree it would be a good idea to move them?

[giorgi81]

Re: Installation Problem

I am relly very new... I had xp, and it was damaged. Accidentally i found kubuntu 7 disk and installed it a week ago and started my problems

I am used to xp, next-->next-->...-->finish.

I am trying now to get some xp disk to install it back because linux is not for begginers.
A lot of problems, not intuitive, and not for old pcs.

I have old pc, intel p4, 3ghz, with 80gb hdd, and 512mb ram.
kubuntu was very slow, so i was advised to install xubuntu, because it is lighter, and thats trus. perfomance become very better.

But yesterday i had to print a page, but couldnot

So, I guess the best way is to install back xp, and to end this headache

[The Liquidator]

Re: Installation Problem

I am relly very new... I had xp, and it was damaged. Accidentally i found kubuntu 7 disk and installed it a week ago and started my problems

I am used to xp, next-->next-->...-->finish.

I am trying now to get some xp disk to install it back because linux is not for begginers.
A lot of problems, not intuitive, and not for old pcs.

I have old pc, intel p4, 3ghz, with 80gb hdd, and 512mb ram.
kubuntu was very slow, so i was advised to install xubuntu, because it is lighter, and thats trus. perfomance become very better.

But yesterday i had to print a page, but couldnot

So, I guess the best way is to install back xp, and to end this headache

It's your preogative I suppose but I think your problems started when XP died on you

Linux is far, far better for old machines than windows can ever be. I have a 5 year old laptop with intel 915 graphics card, 60Gb hard drive and a 1.8ghz centrino chip. I run kubuntu 11.04 with kde 4.6 with desktop effects enabled - it runs faster now than it did out of the box with Windows XP media Center. I assume that, albeit slowly, everything worked? Ruling out hardware faults (which would have the same impact for any OS) I believe your problem is simply the amount of Ram you have. The amount of Ram you need for Linux depends largely on which desktop you use. KDE and gnome use the most, xfce and KXDE (Lubuntu) use rather less and will probably be happy with 512 mb.

Your reference "I am used to XP" actually hits the nail on the head. Many people who are used to windows who try out linux confuse familiarity with ease of use. They are familiar with windows (they may have taken several years to get to that point) so it's easy. Along comes something else - back at the start of the learning curve, so it's hard. However, straight from the installation of a linux distro you not only get pretty much all of the hardware automatically configured and working: Most of the basic programs you need are automatically installed with thousands more accessible with a single click in the software centre. On selection, the software is automatically installed and configured and is ready for use. You actually found that out when you installed a completely new desktop. I would therefore suggest that if you were to pick the right distro (if you had 2gb of Ram kubuntu might be it) you should be up and running in less than an hour. I'm not sure you can say the same for XP if all you have is the XP disk - you might even have to trawl the net to get sound.

On the question of the printer, I can tell you that if the printer had an HP sticker (or maybe Brother, Samsung etc) to get it to print all you would have to do is plug it in. Canon are one of those companies who "don't support linux" ie they don't appear to want to help the open source community in creating drivers for their hardware. Whilst they make a driver available, they have provided it in such a format that the inexperienced user won't have a clue how to install it. The user will then come away with the impression that "Linux is hard" rather than "Canon has made Linux hard for me".

I won't attempt to persuade you to stay as, after all, it is your decision. To get your printer working in Linux is certainly doable, but in view of the conclusion you have reached that it's too difficult, with a lot of problems and not intuitive then you probably are better sticking with the devil you know.

If you decide at any time to have another go (many do - giving up windows can be like giving up smoking, or any other bad habit, it can take a few goes ) then some suggested reading for you is:

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

http://www.tuxradar.com/linuxstarterpack

Good luck, with whatever you choose to do.

[giorgi81]

Re: Installation Problem

I am relly very new... I had xp, and it was damaged. Accidentally i found kubuntu 7 disk and installed it a week ago and started my problems

I am used to xp, next-->next-->...-->finish.

I am trying now to get some xp disk to install it back because linux is not for begginers.
A lot of problems, not intuitive, and not for old pcs.

I have old pc, intel p4, 3ghz, with 80gb hdd, and 512mb ram.
kubuntu was very slow, so i was advised to install xubuntu, because it is lighter, and thats trus. perfomance become very better.

But yesterday i had to print a page, but couldnot

So, I guess the best way is to install back xp, and to end this headache

It's your preogative I suppose but I think your problems started when XP died on you

Linux is far, far better for old machines than windows can ever be. I have a 5 year old laptop with intel 915 graphics card, 60Gb hard drive and a 1.8ghz centrino chip. I run kubuntu 11.04 with kde 4.6 with desktop effects enabled - it runs faster now than it did out of the box with Windows XP media Center. I assume that, albeit slowly, everything worked? Ruling out hardware faults (which would have the same impact for any OS) I believe your problem is simply the amount of Ram you have. The amount of Ram you need for Linux depends largely on which desktop you use. KDE and gnome use the most, xfce and KXDE (Lubuntu) use rather less and will probably be happy with 512 mb.

Your reference "I am used to XP" actually hits the nail on the head. Many people who are used to windows who try out linux confuse familiarity with ease of use. They are familiar with windows (they may have taken several years to get to that point) so it's easy. Along comes something else - back at the start of the learning curve, so it's hard. However, straight from the installation of a linux distro you not only get pretty much all of the hardware automatically configured and working: Most of the basic programs you need are automatically installed with thousands more accessible with a single click in the software centre. On selection, the software is automatically installed and configured and is ready for use. You actually found that out when you installed a completely new desktop. I would therefore suggest that if you were to pick the right distro (if you had 2gb of Ram kubuntu might be it) you should be up and running in less than an hour. I'm not sure you can say the same for XP if all you have is the XP disk - you might even have to trawl the net to get sound.

On the question of the printer, I can tell you that if the printer had an HP sticker (or maybe Brother, Samsung etc) to get it to print all you would have to do is plug it in. Canon are one of those companies who "don't support linux" ie they don't appear to want to help the open source community in creating drivers for their hardware. Whilst they make a driver available, they have provided it in such a format that the inexperienced user won't have a clue how to install it. The user will then come away with the impression that "Linux is hard" rather than "Canon has made Linux hard for me".

I won't attempt to persuade you to stay as, after all, it is your decision. To get your printer working in Linux is certainly doable, but in view of the conclusion you have reached that it's too difficult, with a lot of problems and not intuitive then you probably are better sticking with the devil you know.

If you decide at any time to have another go (many do - giving up windows can be like giving up smoking, or any other bad habit, it can take a few goes ) then some suggested reading for you is:

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

http://www.tuxradar.com/linuxstarterpack

Good luck, with whatever you choose to do.

When finally I successfully installed kubuntu (it took 3 days: Saturday, Sunday and Monday ), after saying honestly I really liked linux: it was much faster than my xp with 512mb of ram…
But problem appeared when I needed to print a page…
I went on forums, help pages, installed drivers etc… but no result… Such thing will not happen with xp…
Its my second day trying to fix the problem with printer..
If I successfully solve it during more one day I will stay with this system…
I also have webcam.. I guess problems will arise with it too…
I did not need it till now, but when starting kubuntu the webcam is flashing…

[The Liquidator]

Re: Installation Problem

I think we might be getting somewhere - see here

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190

Someone has set up a ppa (personal package archive) which means the drivers can be auto-installed.


With kubuntu running and on connected to the net

Open a terminal and copy this and paste (right click and select paste) into it:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:michael-gruz/canon

Hit Return and then tyope your password then hit return again

You should see the system entering the ppa into the package database
Then type

sudo apt-get update

To ensure that the package list is up to date then

sudo apt-get install cndrvcups-capt cndrvcups-common

To download and install the packages for your printer.

Then carefully read and follow the instructions in the section "Adding a printer". It's not easy I'm afraid but that seems to be more to do with Canon than with anything else. Bear in mind that in some parts you can use the GUI but in others you need the terminal. However with the terminal commands if you have the web-page open you can copy them and then paste (right click and select paste) into the terminal to prevent typing errors.

Good luck, if you get this sorted I anticipate that this is the hardest thing Linux will present you with for quite a while.

[giorgi81]

Re: Installation Problem

May be I was not clear. I have installed everything.. System finds printer, with name, etc... asking me to print test page, I am saying ok, print test page, but it doesnot... All the scripts from that page I have run and already installed... Because of it i do not know what to do? I have done instructions from that page several times...

[giorgi81]

Re: Installation Problem

[img width=400 height=229]http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1104/5e/ce40b7e981b7.png[/img]

[The Liquidator]

Re: Installation Problem

That screenshot is helpful. I'm by no means a printer expert but have noted 2 things:

1. The "state" message reports a data error so that's not a good start.

2. what driver have you got? The "make and model" suggests it's version 1.5, whereas the current one is 2.2. If you have precisely followed the instructions on the ubuntu help page you should have the newer version. Is there a newer driver available if you select "change" against make and model?

Can I suggest you re-run the commands on the ubuntu page noting very carefully any error messages you see at the end of each one. Keep the terminal open throughout the process. When finished highlight everything in the terminal, right click and select copy and then paste it into a text file. If it doesn't work after you have done everything you can attach the text file to a posting here. There are many people here far more knowledgeable than I am who may be able to point you in the right direction, but without the error messages they have little, if anything, to go on.