(SOLVED) installing moagg...

[ardvark71]

Hi all...

Ok, this is an example of why installing software in Linux still needs improvement...please forgive my minor irritation.

I wanted to install a game I had when I used Ubuntu 5.10 called moagg and, for some reason, was unable to find a copy in the repositories like I did before. So I looked for the developer's website and was able to download the latest version, 1.95b. Unfortunately, this version was written using java (and because of that, had no sound,) and I did not like it as well as I did the "old" version, 0.18 and before. Plus, I had to use a terminal to get the game to run. So, I looked around and found a copy of 0.18 (meant for Hardy) here. I downloaded the copy from the link in Africa because it came in a .deb package instead of weird code coming up on a web page. After clicking on the package, the installer greets me with a message, "Error: dependency is unsatisfiable: libparagui1.0c2a (>=1.0.2) I fired up Synaptic to see if I could find this file and I was able to download and install the latest version. However, I guess my version of libparagui is not backwards compatible since the installer (for moagg) still gives the same error message after installing it. Could I get some instruction on how to resolve this? It would be much appreciated.

Regards...

[oshunluvr]

Re: installing moagg...

this sounds crazy:

But what about installing Hardy into vbox and then running your game there?

It will likely take less time to install it that way than to wade through backports and getting three year old libraries to work.

[GreyGeek]

Re: installing moagg...

NOT crazy at all, and it avoids the dependency hell that arises when one tries to mix libraries of the same name but different versions, because of the difference in vector tables pointing to function names. One can break a LOT of stuff doing that, and they won't find out until later when they run a program they haven't run in a month and it breaks with a missing or incompatible library issue, and they make no connection to the failure of a previously reliable program and the installation of an OLD library which overwrites a more recent one.

[Snowhog]

Re: installing moagg...

Linux is a living OS. Over the years it has matured - changed - and like any system that matures, things that existed in (the OS's) infancy are likely not to exist today. That is why installing packages available from the repositories for the version of Kubuntu you are using is the 'safe' method. Locating and attempting to install an application from an earlier release of Kubuntu, because it (the application) isn't available in the current release of Kubuntu, "may" work, but more likely, either won't install due to dependency issues, or appear to install, but wont' run (or run incorrectly), or at worst, break other parts of your system.

[blobfish]

Re: installing moagg...

Ok, this is an example of why installing software in Linux still needs improvement.

I sympathize with your frustration, but I think your blame is misguided. The debian package system is first rate and your problem is with one specific abandoned game. You could contribute time and/or money to that project to get it current. Other than that I think the idea of an older OS in a virtual machine is a great solution.

[ardvark71]

Re: installing moagg...

Thank you all for your helpful responses although the game itself isn't worth installing an entire OS on a VM. You guys are also correct in that it isn't worth downloading different dependencies and potentially breaking things....not worth it at all. I don't need the game that bad, besides I have plenty of other games installed to have fun with.

I wasn't trying to blame anyone or anything, including the debian packaging system. I was just trying to convey the frustration of trying to install the software and the need for improvements in the "system." Perhaps I should have taken the first sentence of my last post and put it in the "rant" section.

The one aspect that I think would help Linux immensely is to create a centralized software installation program that would cover and include all distributions (of Linux) like MSI is for Windows. It would be able to install or uninstall, with only a few clicks, any Linux software, whether downloaded as a package on a web site or downloaded from a repository. The only hurdle that I can think so far (and one you guys have already mentioned,) is how to get such a program to work without creating dependency issues. Why is this an issue with Linux and not Windows?

Again, I meant no offense. I have enjoyed overall using my copy of 10.04 and even though I have both Kubuntu and Windows installed, I use Kubuntu primarily and Windows when I need to do something that Kubuntu can't easily do or do at all, which is very seldom.

Thank you, again, for your willingness to help and your ideas.

Regards...

[oshunluvr]

Re: installing moagg...

This issue here really is the game you like was abandoned by it's creator. The free software world is somewhat different than the pay one.

[ardvark71]

Re: installing moagg...

This issue here really is the game you like was abandoned by it's creator. The free software world is somewhat different than the pay one.

Hi...

No, I don't think he has abandoned it, it's just that after 0.18, he switched from C++ and SDL to Java. I didn't care for the Java based version. Please see here.

Regards...

[blobfish]

Re: installing moagg...

you can get the source code for 1.8 from the links on the right side of http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/games/moagg. Then try to build it.

[ardvark71]

Re: installing moagg...

you can get the source code for 1.8 from the links on the right side of http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/games/moagg. Then try to build it.

Hi....

Thank you but dealing with the dependencies doesn't make the game worth struggling with.

Regards...

[Snowhog]

Re: installing moagg...

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:"

[oshunluvr]

Re: installing moagg...

Aardvark:

Virtual box isn't hard to install or use. Could be a learning experience!

[ardvark71]

Re: installing moagg...

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:"

Amen!

@oshunluvr: Yes, I have it installed on both Kubuntu and Vista and have ran Ubuntu on it in the past. You're right, it wouldn't be that hard and I could do it, I'm just wondering if burning a copy of Hardy and running it in a VM with lessened capabilities (no direct rendering) is worth it for one game.

Regards...

[oshunluvr]

Re: installing moagg...

One nice thing about vbox - no burning required. You can install directly from the iso! See? - you learned one thing already

[ardvark71]

Re: installing moagg...

One nice thing about vbox - no burning required. You can install directly from the iso! See? - you learned one thing already

Indeed, I have. And you know what? Because of your gentle persistence, I figured "why not." I downloaded the .iso of 8.04. Now...

How would I go about getting VB to see the .iso?

Regards...