frustrated new user to ubuntu

[kbunt]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

I agree with your post, 100%, OP. I would recommend switching to Debian. It's better, more solid and the only negative (if you can call it that) is that it's not as polished and there's no eye candy. But, there is one big advantage: there's lots of writeups for how to get things to work and most things that apply in other debian-based distros will apply in Debian.

It's not user-friendly like Windows but hey, if Kubuntu/Ubuntu are not as user-friendly as claimed, then you might as well learn without all the issues/problems those distros have, right?

KDE 4 is problematic and you can find dozens of complaints even from advanced Linux/Kubuntu users.

I cannot find any way of looking at my users/groups list. Even 'kuser' command results in an error. This is standard Linux stuff.

People need to buy two hundred dollar video cards just to have a possibility of having a system that is not plagued with video issues.

I've tolerated all kinds of issues in Kubuntu but it's like they don't care about new users or inexperienced users. It's supposed to be experimental but they are already going to 9.04! I don't understand it.

I am going to go with Debian until they iron out the issues and improve things a bit.

[toad]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

Hi, appears to be a mounting problem. Have a read here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...ighlight=fstab

Alternatively install an app called mountmanager (I think it is available for 8.04) if you don't like looking at command line stuff. MM provides a fine GUI for mounting

Once your drive is mounted the problem should go away.

[karlyguy]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

Okay, so I couldnt find out what the error means ...
But I have found out the source of my problem = kubuntu does NOT automatically mount additional drives that are NTFS = referenced here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Au...ountPartitions

this same article for auto mount partitions may be a possible solution too, BUT it lists its option by command line. I got lost really fast when trying to read their commands... help with what to do here?
how do i open the command line for input? do i copy and paste each line that is shown on the help document, doing 1 at a time or can i string into 1 long command? there were 15 command lines to input, that seems like alot ...

possible solution = "mount manager" application for GUI instead of command lines. unfortunately i was unable to find this application using Adept to search. i have found reference to it on other pages - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=940036. do you have another way to locate this app ?

possible solution = kubuntu system options for: Disk and File Systems. found in K menu > System Settings (not the system menu) > Advanced Tab > disk and file systems. this will list all my drives it does show the 1 i want to get working - listed as Device /dev/sdb1. i can double click it to see some options i dont know what to do with. the menu at bottom only gives option for New, not available options are modify\delete\enable\disable.
I couldnt find any articles that made sense of my problem relative to this Disk and File Systems, so i dont know if this is a place where i should look to make changes.

[Detonate]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

To give you a friendly GUI to manage your NTFS files, open the package manager and locate ntfs-3g and ntfs-config. If you want to do it faster, just open a terminal and copy and paste this command.

sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g ntfs-config

Than you will have a nice GUI program to manage the mounting of your NTFS device.

[barrefors]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

I had this problem when i installed Kubuntu not so long ago also but i managed to solve it after many hours spending on googling and searching on this forum.
This thread helped me alot: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...77658#msg77658

I think what i did was:

Wrote this command in the konsole:
blkid -L

I got a little list of all my hdd's
device fs_type label mount point UUID
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/dev/sda1 ntfs Film (not mounted) E0345C29345C04C6
/dev/sdc1 ntfs x264 /media/x264 7084F03584EFFF80
/dev/sdd1 ntfs Mp3 (not mounted) 8418313818312A96
/dev/sde1 ext3 / ecb3bee0-9ecc-4839-8faf-7c8e6a384631
/dev/loop0 squashfs (not mounted)
/dev/sdg1 ntfs Xvid /media/Xvid 62445CD2445CAA95
/dev/sdb1 ntfs Blandat /media/Blandat B614CE4014CE037B
/dev/sde5 swap <swap> f5c1adb1-6404-4dc9-94ba-ddb8140208e5
/dev/sde6 ext3 /home 2d7b290b-a675-42a5-8a0a-7224f60af49a
/dev/sdf5 ntfs TV /media/TV 8CFC548BFC547186



As i could see 2 of the drives (the ones i got error on) said not mounted.

Then i just think i tried this:

sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/

the first command gave me /dev/sda1 for the harddrive i wanted to mount..

My memory fails me a little bit and you old ones here please tell me if im right or not...?

[Detonate]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

To mount a partition or directory, you must specify a mount point, and the mount point has to exist. The other problem here is that if you did mount the drive this way, it would be only available in sudo mode, and the user would not have write access. If the partition being mounted is already listed in fstab, but not mounted, you can mount it by issuing sudo mount -a or mount /dev/sda1 (from your example) if the fstab entry allows users access.

See man mount and man fstab.

[Guest]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

If you want to enter command lines, I think you're looking for this:

Kmenu > Applications > System > Terminal

I'm pretty new to this stuff but its worked so far. I was also a bit overwhelmed by entering commands but I just copied and pasted into the terminal, hit ENTER and it did everything itself.

Like I said, its worked so far.

[karlyguy]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

i tried these suggestions, all of them resulted in no change,
found the terminal, thanks pdegeest007!
1) sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g ntfs-config = did something, but i dont know what. there is now an item in K Menu > System, called NTFS configuration - but clicking it does not open any program, nothing happens
2) blkid -L = command not recognized
3) man mount and man fstab = were just a long text file manual for more advanced users

[toad]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

mountmanager is in the universe repository. If you work out how to enable that in adept/synaptic, fine. If not, please ask.

Please also make sure that the packages Detonate listed are installed. From then on it is all go

[karlyguy]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

dear toad,
thats all greek to me ...
please also remember that this section of the forum is called Newbie Support

[Detonate]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

The program ntfs-conf did not work? I don't know why. We can proceed to help you get that drive mounted, and have it mounted automatically when you boot up, but it it is going to require you to do some additional input on the command line in a terminal. You have found the terminal, so the first thing I need you to do is enter:

sudo fdisk -l

in the terminal and copy and paste the results in your next message. That's a small L not a capital I at the end of the command.

[toad]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

Open adept - sources - edit software sources - tick (universe) and close that window - Fetch current package lists - search - mountmanager

Hope that is English enough for you I said you should just ask and feel free to do so again.

[karlyguy]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

Detonate, i hope this helps:

1> I have the results of that sudo fdisk-i

Disk /dev/sda: 7683 MB, 7683637248 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 934 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xaee0aee0

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 888 7132828+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 889 934 369495 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 889 934 369463+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0022e4a0

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 1 24321 195358401 7 HPFS/NTFS


2> I reread your post above about NTFS, and i also typed "ntfs-config" and i got another error: (my situation would be choice 2 i do not have any Windows installed on this computer)

Mounting /media/Seagate 200GB failed.

$LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0)
Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Operation not supported
Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action:

Choice 1: If you have Windows then disconnect the external devices by
clicking on the 'Safely Remove Hardware' icon in the Windows
taskbar then shutdown Windows cleanly.

Choice 2: If you don't have Windows then you can use the 'force' option for
your own responsibility. For example type on the command line:

mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/Seagate 200GB -o force

Or add the option to the relevant row in the /etc/fstab file:

/dev/sdb1 /media/Seagate 200GB ntfs-3g force 0 0

[Detonate]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

Well now! That explains a lot! This disk, when last used with Windows, was left in an unstable state because of an improper windows shutdown. That's why Kubuntu did not find it during the install. Do you have a directory called in the /media directory named Seagate 200GB? If you do then that mount command with the force option should work, but you need to do it this way. In a terminal copy and paste: Enter your password when prompted.

sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/Seagate 200GB -o force,user

Then see if you are able to access the drive. If this is successful we will go on to the next step of mounting the drive automatically at boot.

[karlyguy]

Re: frustrated new user to ubuntu

I like this, i may not understand the command line, but i do feel like we have progress
makes sense that the drive didnt shut down properly at some point, when i was having trouble with my old primary drive i mustve rebooted over 20 times in about 7 days.

after entering the command line her are the results:

1 > entered the line you gave me, this result:
pixie@pixie-desktop:~$ sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/Seagate 200GB -o force,user
Usage: mount -V : print version
mount -h : print this help
mount : list mounted filesystems
mount -l : idem, including volume labels
So far the informational part. Next the mounting.
The command is `mount [-t fstype] something somewhere'.
Details found in /etc/fstab may be omitted.
mount -a [-t|-O] ... : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab
mount device : mount device at the known place
mount directory : mount known device here
mount -t type dev dir : ordinary mount command
Note that one does not really mount a device, one mounts
a filesystem (of the given type) found on the device.
One can also mount an already visible directory tree elsewhere:
mount --bind olddir newdir
or move a subtree:
mount --move olddir newdir
One can change the type of mount containing the directory dir:
mount --make-shared dir
mount --make-slave dir
mount --make-private dir
mount --make-unbindable dir
One can change the type of all the mounts in a mount subtree
containing the directory dir:
mount --make-rshared dir
mount --make-rslave dir
mount --make-rprivate dir
mount --make-runbindable dir
A device can be given by name, say /dev/hda1 or /dev/cdrom,
or by label, using -L label or by uuid, using -U uuid .
Other options: [-nfFrsvw] [-o options] [-p passwdfd].
For many more details, say man 8 mount .


2 > in Dolphin > storage media > Seagate 200GB,
double click gives this message: "Permissions Denied"