Don't really know if I like (K)ubuntu or not.
Old (emphasis on old) time computer user - from punch cards and paper tape times - even used an analog computer before the digital took over the world.
Used MicroSoft, then left Microsoft when they decided they wanted to control the user and the world.
Jumped to Red Hat
Then Fedora Core up to FC 5.
Settled on FC 5 until the computer died.
New computer, new OS version.
Settled on Ubuntu because of all the good things I have heard and read. Settled on Kubuntu because I prefer KDE over Gnome.
May have to switch back to Fedora Core.
First impression: The program to update and get new s/w is okay - similar to what FC 5 had. The FC 5 program tended to corrupt the database. The Kubuntu program does the same thing or similar. Halfway through upgrading from the live disk I downloaded, got a message that some file was corrupted and couldn't continue. Got the same message every time I attempted then to get new s/w. Found a solution on these threads - seems the problem is far from unique to me and the solution is fairly well know. As with FC 5 nothing done to fix original program.
Okay so that comes out a draw with FC 5.
Second impression: No root. Now I can understand that - use 'sudo' instead. Well it's been at least 4 or 5 years since I logged in as root. Have used sudo all that time so I could understand the logic for using that, but do not understand the logic with total abandonment of root.
sudo as setup under Kubuntu asks for the user password instead of the root password. The logic behind that totally escapes me. That essentially makes EVERY USER root. Under FC 5 I could restrict my 12 year by making him ask for root privileges as needed and then I would enter the root password and made sure the '-c' option was used every time so that the root privileges ended when the command ended. So I looked for the '-c' option under Kubuntu - not recognized. If I give the 12 year old a user account, then the twins will demand user accounts. The twins on the computer with root privileges makes the blood run cold.
So sudo as used on Kubuntu makes absolutely no sense to me and not too sure I am about to give the twins or the 12 year old user accounts under Kubuntu.
I have an APC UPS XS 900 with computer, display, router and 1 printer plugged into it. Under FC 5 the apcuspd daemon was loaded and activated automatically. Under Kubuntu, no apcusp daemon- But it does have the gapcmon interface. Which is really rather funny, the interface with no way to bridge from there to the APC UPS. Went searching in the "add/ remove s/w" program for the apcupsd program which monitors the APC UPS. None to be found - it doesn't exist under Kubuntu evidently.
Went directly to the APC UPS daemon web site. Found the binaries - only rpms available. Evidently nobody in the debian/ubuntu/kubuntu world uses APC UPSes. I found that to be passing strange.
So silly me, I downloaded the source and figured I would configure and compile as I have done for many years.
I was totally dumbfounded to read the following output from './configure':
checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
Evidently the gurus at (K)ubuntu have decided that a compiler that cannot create executables makes sense. I don't follow the logic, but somebody evidently does.
So I went looking for gcc in the "add/remove s/w" program again ---- none to be found.
There are plenty of programs for development and even development IDEs. But plain old gcc is nowhere to be found.
Tried IDEs for a while a few years back. I guess I'm just too old and crusty to be forced into following somebody else's idea of doing things and abandoning my own ways developed over 4 decades. IDEs just didn't work for me.
Now what good is an IDE without gcc
I guess if you are using Python, or Ruby or something similar, then gcc isn't needed.
Funny question - how do the (K)ubuntu developers develop (K)ubuntu without gcc Either they know the secret handshake to get it or they are developing under Red Hat, or FC or plain old debian or .........
I'm getting a funny feeling that with (K)ubuntu, it seems that I am back to working with Microsoft s/w and the Microsoft philosophy:
You can do anything on your computer so long as we approve of what you want to do and control your computer experience. And we will determine beforehand just what you can and cannot do.
I abandoned that philosophy years and years back.
Maybe I'll have to do so again.
Old (emphasis on old) time computer user - from punch cards and paper tape times - even used an analog computer before the digital took over the world.
Used MicroSoft, then left Microsoft when they decided they wanted to control the user and the world.
Jumped to Red Hat
Then Fedora Core up to FC 5.
Settled on FC 5 until the computer died.
New computer, new OS version.
Settled on Ubuntu because of all the good things I have heard and read. Settled on Kubuntu because I prefer KDE over Gnome.
May have to switch back to Fedora Core.
First impression: The program to update and get new s/w is okay - similar to what FC 5 had. The FC 5 program tended to corrupt the database. The Kubuntu program does the same thing or similar. Halfway through upgrading from the live disk I downloaded, got a message that some file was corrupted and couldn't continue. Got the same message every time I attempted then to get new s/w. Found a solution on these threads - seems the problem is far from unique to me and the solution is fairly well know. As with FC 5 nothing done to fix original program.
Okay so that comes out a draw with FC 5.
Second impression: No root. Now I can understand that - use 'sudo' instead. Well it's been at least 4 or 5 years since I logged in as root. Have used sudo all that time so I could understand the logic for using that, but do not understand the logic with total abandonment of root.
sudo as setup under Kubuntu asks for the user password instead of the root password. The logic behind that totally escapes me. That essentially makes EVERY USER root. Under FC 5 I could restrict my 12 year by making him ask for root privileges as needed and then I would enter the root password and made sure the '-c' option was used every time so that the root privileges ended when the command ended. So I looked for the '-c' option under Kubuntu - not recognized. If I give the 12 year old a user account, then the twins will demand user accounts. The twins on the computer with root privileges makes the blood run cold.
So sudo as used on Kubuntu makes absolutely no sense to me and not too sure I am about to give the twins or the 12 year old user accounts under Kubuntu.
I have an APC UPS XS 900 with computer, display, router and 1 printer plugged into it. Under FC 5 the apcuspd daemon was loaded and activated automatically. Under Kubuntu, no apcusp daemon- But it does have the gapcmon interface. Which is really rather funny, the interface with no way to bridge from there to the APC UPS. Went searching in the "add/ remove s/w" program for the apcupsd program which monitors the APC UPS. None to be found - it doesn't exist under Kubuntu evidently.
Went directly to the APC UPS daemon web site. Found the binaries - only rpms available. Evidently nobody in the debian/ubuntu/kubuntu world uses APC UPSes. I found that to be passing strange.
So silly me, I downloaded the source and figured I would configure and compile as I have done for many years.
I was totally dumbfounded to read the following output from './configure':
checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
Evidently the gurus at (K)ubuntu have decided that a compiler that cannot create executables makes sense. I don't follow the logic, but somebody evidently does.
So I went looking for gcc in the "add/remove s/w" program again ---- none to be found.
There are plenty of programs for development and even development IDEs. But plain old gcc is nowhere to be found.
Tried IDEs for a while a few years back. I guess I'm just too old and crusty to be forced into following somebody else's idea of doing things and abandoning my own ways developed over 4 decades. IDEs just didn't work for me.
Now what good is an IDE without gcc
I guess if you are using Python, or Ruby or something similar, then gcc isn't needed.Funny question - how do the (K)ubuntu developers develop (K)ubuntu without gcc
Either they know the secret handshake to get it or they are developing under Red Hat, or FC or plain old debian or .........I'm getting a funny feeling that with (K)ubuntu, it seems that I am back to working with Microsoft s/w and the Microsoft philosophy:
You can do anything on your computer so long as we approve of what you want to do and control your computer experience. And we will determine beforehand just what you can and cannot do.
I abandoned that philosophy years and years back.
Maybe I'll have to do so again.
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