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    So, let's discuss blogs.

    Lets discuss "blogs" at the forum and whether they would benefit the distro.

    First: By way of full disclosure to people who don't know it, I had a "blog" in which I wrote the first chapter of a "story". Some might think that will influence my posting on this but I will try to keep my posts "neutral" and "about the good of the forum/DISTRO".

    Second, some folks might like to know about the "history" of "blogs" (nee "web log") a relatively good one is HERE

    A) I quite realize that some people really HATE the whole idea of the "blog", others LOVE them and most, probably are NEUTRAL.

    But that is not the point of this question.

    The point of the question is whether, or not, the presence of blogs would "benefit" the DISTRO, i.e. increase the number of people that come BACK to the forum.

    The operative word in the above sentence is that people COME BACK.

    B) One should note that KDE now is pushing that the Plasma Desktop is a SOCIAL DESKTOP: KDE: the social desktop starts to arrive.

    C) the "blog" is definitely part of the "social emphasis" nowadays. An example being that at another distro, which is now " in a holding pattern", one of the things that we attempted was to make a "Linux Facebook". The problem was, primarily, that the software was not quite ready and then there were health problems etc.

    But, the point was, even four years ago, that there is an increasing awareness of the "social" aspect of things.

    D) So....one might outline, for the sake of discussion, some of the "reasons" why "blogs" are posted by people:

    i) Ego.....they want to get their ideas out.
    ii) Information.... they provide an easy way to tell people things about a) family, friends, hobbies, work, etc. but ALSO: b) business stuff.
    iii) An outpouring of the troubled soul. A "venting", if one will accept the term broadly, of things that are hard to discuss, or cannot be discussed, in other manners.
    iv) The posting of "things" for other people to use, such as: computer desktop wallpapers, patterns for a latch-hook, maps to a good fishing hole or great coffee shop,
    iv:a) This gives rise to the obvious benefit of moving things such as "artwork", not necessarily all, away from the "forum itself" and therefore decreasing "clutter". A lot of Linux people don't like "clutter" in their fora. And, also this might change bandwidth useage. A solution might be to keep "show your screenshot" and "buttons" on the forum, and "wallpapers" off the forum and in the blog. Whichever way it might be worked out would still have to be worked out in terms of the overall goal of "increasing eyes on".
    v) the list goes on.

    E) So.... if one accepts that a "blog" situation occurs then what is the result of that?

    a) The people don't come back, possibly to one blog or any of the blogs
    b) the people come back to one or more.

    F) What is the "consequence" of that.

    I) Some moderaters DO NOT WANT a great influx of poeple. For one thing, it increases work load. Another, it probably increases bandwidth needs, which may, or may not, increase costs.
    II) Some moderators DO want a great influx of people, operating on the assumption that more "eyes on" is a good thing, no matter what the eyes are viewing.....rather like a "wardrobe malfunction" at the SuperBowl. No matter how much it was decried it did increase "eyes on" in a variety of ways.
    III) The increase in traffic MAY, or MAY NOT, increase the number of users of the distro. It may merely increase the number of KIBBITZERS or it may increase the amount of BOTS or SPAM.
    IV) The MODERATION of the blogs could be a REAL pain. What if an atheist decides to give a reasoned explanation of why he or she is an athiest. And then, as a COUNTERblog a Muslim, Chrisitian, Buddhist, Hari Krishna decides to post. What if a Neo Nazi, or a Hyper Liberal decides to post ranting about the "other side"? What if someone tries to post about their "business"( or post spam)? These are all of valid concern.

    G) So to sum up:

    q1) Some history has been provided, a "context" of KDE has been provided, some upsides and some downsides have been provided.

    q2) It has also been indicated that the moderators themselves may, or may not, like the "supposed benefit" of increasing traffic and the moderators are already overworked so that is a PRIME consideration.

    H) So.....comments as to whether YOU THINK..... that "blogs" would BENEFIT the DISTRO?

    Again, to provide context, I had a story chapter in the previous blog part of the forum.

    woodsmoke
    Last edited by woodsmoke; Feb 18, 2012, 02:27 PM.

    #2
    I, personally, think that my "story" would have greatly increased traffic through the place. The other fora where I have had "a story" have had tens of thousands of views.

    The question, then, is whether those "views" translate into a benefit or a problem for the DISTRO.

    This will probably be my only post on the matter, unless it is to answer a question.

    woodsmoke

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      #3
      woody, you are right (of course). We were having a problem with the Blog in that 'first timer' spammers were getting accounts and going directly to the Blog area and creating spam blogs. That was a problem. The initial 'fix' was to turn off the Blog option here, which I did. Having given your comments the due they deserve, I've come up with an "improved" fix to our Blog issue.

      I have made permission changes to the Registered Users usergroup, setting all Blog permissions to No.
      I created a new usergroup called Established Users with all the permissions from Registered Users, but with all the Blog permissions set to Yes.
      Added a New Promotion in Registered Users to automatically move the user to the Established Users usergroup when 100 or more posts have been made.
      Executed the User Promotions scheduled task to move all our users with 100 or more posts into the Established Users usergroup.

      Now, our KFN members who have established themselves, have access to the Blog area here in KFN.
      Windows no longer obstructs my view.
      Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
      "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

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        #4
        its not a question of blogs being good for Kubuntu, it is whether KFN should be a blog platform or not.
        I am of the belief that a "planet" type of page would be better, using one's external blog aggregated here, much like http://planet.ubuntu.com/ or http://planetkde.org/.

        That way you have full control over your content, and you can write about anything, not just about Kubuntu. It highlights the broad range of people doing a broad range of things, often involving Kubuntu which is good advertisement, imo! Also in my opinion, external blogs have more of a chance of being seen by those outside of Kubuntu, and may help with search engine results as well - more Kubuntu-specific results maybe?

        Who is saying that we don't want traffic here? To me as a support forum, traffic here at KFN is relatively irrelevant, as long as it doesn't get too low of course. What the real question may be here is what sort of rolls our little place for help should be taking on, maybe.

        Good question, that. Add in the upcoming changes in Kubuntu's status and that becomes a much more interesting question. More discussion on that as Kubuntu itself decides on how things will go.......(more on that coming soon I do believe, stay tuned!)
        Last edited by claydoh; Feb 18, 2012, 03:40 PM.

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          #5
          Hi guys
          thanks for the great comments and the alternate way of doing things.
          However, the comments should not make others consider this to be a closed topic.

          The suggestion of a "planet" thing might be a better idea and should be included in the discussion.

          The idea that the role of a forum is not a "blog forum" is a very cogent idea.

          So, If anyone has comments nay or yay I would really like for them to post the comments.

          woodsmoke

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            #6
            Originally posted by claydoh View Post
            its not a question of blogs being good for Kubuntu, it is whether KFN should be a blog platform or not.
            I am of the belief that a "planet" type of page would be better, using one's external blog aggregated here, much like http://planet.ubuntu.com/ or http://planetkde.org/.
            Interesting. As I am now understanding this, we could establish a sub-forum, say under Community Cafe, called Blogs, where members would post links to their external Blog site. That could work. Set permissions so members can post but can't reply (the board would therefore be a collection of Blog URLs with maybe a description of what the Blog is about). Hmm.

            The one possible downside to this would be having the sub-forum used for blog posts instead of URLs to Blog locations.
            Last edited by Snowhog; Feb 18, 2012, 05:45 PM.
            Windows no longer obstructs my view.
            Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
            "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

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              #7
              my quick thoughts on the blogging section here:
              you have to be registered here to post a blog comment, there isn't even a 'add comment' button or the like. Most blogs either allow anon posting, or as is usually the case, a simple name/email address to do so. Getting more members is always a good thing, but it should not be required for a simple blog comment that may have been the result of a web search hit.

              Comment moderation- I have not looked art the options, but who is in charge of that? If it is me, who is to say I will moderate comments in a way you like? And vice-versa, what if you decide to moderate your own comments (as is your right!) that may reflect badly on KFN and it's members?

              And this doesn't even touch on the spam problem that could arise. Most free blogs (wordpress and blogger) have pretty good tools to handle that to each blogger's preference.

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                #8
                I mentioned the "moderation"

                I was thinking of "patrolling" for the bots, spammers and also for the person who is a troll for some agenda that would insult even one of the members.

                bots, spammers, etc. would be removed on the spot with no notice given. If it was a "member" that was suddenly going to go after people who wear naugahyde, then the moderator would take the situation to the "other" moderators, and after an agreement then the blog may or may not be removed.

                But, again, by "moderation" I was thinking more for removal of the bots.

                I don't know about this "type" of forum "software", but back at Castle Cops there were people who were only given authorization to moderate a single thread, or sub-forum, like "computer generated art" ( the situation was a pressure cooker atmosphere and people used that kind of stuff for relaxation) as it were, so that the workload could be spread around and also so that if the moderator had a "hidden agenda" then the other mods could quickly rectify the situation.

                woodsmoke

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