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    #16
    I've been using the loaner recently and kept my activity down to the bare minimum. I wanted the least amount of stuff to have to remember to backup/copy/think about. So I've been MIA.

    In keeping with my "normal" I have a LONG story to tell about the repaired laptop. It isn't. And the shine has definitely come off System76 for me. Ready?

    Their estimate was at least 10-14 days after sending it, time for shipping, then receiving it, putting it through its paces, diagnosing the random lockup and overheating issues, replace the broken lid/hinge, and send it back. Much sooner than that I received a notice from UPS saying I had a package, signature required, coming tomorrow from some computer company (in SoCal) I've never heard of. I sent a message to Sys76 with the full name/info from UPS and asked if they knew anything about it. I didn't get a response to that question.

    But I was told that my laptop had been received and was being worked on by the technicians. I said...okay...I'm really confused right now because I don't have any other computer-related things going on, and had no idea what that UPS notice was about.

    Next day, I called the computer place named on the label. It took a good deal of running around and looked fruitless until System76 came up. Voila! THEY had my computer and had sent it back to me. I said "but no one ever called, as instructed on the note I'd put in the computer, to get login info" and he said, well, I'm not a tech and I don't know about that. I was shaking my head because I knew where this was leading.

    Then I talked to Sys76. They apologized for the confusion, and acknowledged that some of their repairs are done at this place in SoCal, not in Colorado where they're located, but that info shouldn't have been on the shipping label. I told them I didn't understand how the laptop could've been tested for the lockups/overheating, but would wait and see once I got it.

    The laptop came, and when I opened the box I thought they'd sent me the wrong one--its lid was a cheap, generic lid with no brand name/logo on it, not at all like what I originally had. But once I fired it up, it was definitely mine. I wrote them that I was VERY unhappy with the lid, and didn't know yet whether the lockup/heat issues were solved, as there was no pattern to those. Guess what happened next? Go ahead. I'll give you one millisecond...

    IT LOCKED UP. Just like that. The next day it overheated, too.

    I've updated them but with the weekend I'm not expecting a reply right away.

    I'm not happy. The shine has definitely come off what I thought was a perfect computer company.
    Xenix/UNIX user since 1985 | Linux user since 1991 | Was registered Linux user #163544

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      #17
      And sometimes an expensive custom system is just that.

      Sorry for your experience and this recent bad news
      The next brick house on the left
      Intel i7 11th Gen | 16GB | 1TB | KDE Plasma 5.27.11​| Kubuntu 24.04 | 6.8.0-31-generic



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        #18
        The Bloom is off the rose INDEED!
        System76 should certainly realize that bad news travels around the world while good news is getting its shoes on. ~ Mark Twain

        My computer is 9 years old and will, more than likely, either move out of the compatibility window, or will have failures. For example: my average CPU temp used to be 35C. Now it is 42C. I know it is probably due to the heat transfer goo between the CPU and the heat sink drying out, but I am not going to take it apart and replacek or regoo the heatsink module because everything inside is 9 years old, and plastics have a tendency to get brittle and break when that old. Break a small plastic connector and my chances of finding a replacement are next to zero. And, having looked at the service manual, I'd have to nearly disassemble the entire laptop to get at the CPU heatsink module.

        Considering your experience with System76 I will probably take them off of my list of choices when it comes time to replace this laptop.
        Last edited by GreyGeek; May 08, 2021, 02:24 PM.
        "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
        – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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          #19
          Thanks, guys. You know, the irony of all this is that I didn't NEED to replace my still-perfectly-working 2014 System76 laptop! The only thing was its keyboard needed to be replaced--a few keys had to be banged on to work--and I didn't feel like doing it. So I thought, shoot, it's 6 years old anyway, why not get a shiny new replacement?!

          Yeah...whatever...

          I've been very open with S76 that I've documented every moment of this long saga online. I mentioned that before, right? They asked where, I told them, they asked for a link to "the thread" and I laughed and said there were a million threads! Anyway, they're welcome to start at the beginning and see what a nightmare this has been, and how--until NOW--I did not blame them or think poorly of them at all.

          I've been planning on buying a Meerkat (it's a 'mini' and would be used headless, for file storage), but now...I don't know...
          Xenix/UNIX user since 1985 | Linux user since 1991 | Was registered Linux user #163544

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            #20
            Holy Cow, I am sorry you have been put through all this, DoYouKubuntu. The details don't sound good for System 76, to say the least. Talk about unprofessional, and running "hollow" as a company. It's off my list.

            I'm preparing for another desktop, mine running 6 years now, a home-built Intel-ASUS and all top brand name components. It may run forever, but I want to be prepared, proactive. Toyed with just buying one. Wondering if I have one more DIY build left in me (age 72, eye-squinting-wise, patience-wise, study-wise, knuckle-wise). The answer NOW, after all this, is Yes! I've built 3 so far, never had a glitch. The temptation to pick up a BestBuy/whatever off the shelf is gone, at least for now, this go-around.

            Boy, what an ordeal you've been through, though. Keep the computing/PC spirit!
            An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles Bukowski

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              #21
              Thanks, Qq! You're sure to do a fine job putting together your new desktop. I hope you'll post pics/specs once it's all said and done! Or as you're gathering parts, even.

              I'm still waiting to see what S76 offers next. I don't want to write them off yet when, for six years prior, I had nothing but great experiences with them. I'm truly hoping all of this is just some weird fluke, they'll fix it to my satisfaction, and things will be sunny again!
              Xenix/UNIX user since 1985 | Linux user since 1991 | Was registered Linux user #163544

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                #22
                they'll fix it to my satisfaction, and things will be sunny again!
                I hope so, too! Keep us posted.
                An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles Bukowski

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                  #23
                  Here's an update: they gave me a very thorough description of the testing/diagnosing that was done, and it was extensive. Unfortunately, it was *all* done running on live disks, not the laptop's OS. Hence the reason it's still freezing up and overheating (is that an oxymoron? ). They've assured me that they're going to make this right, and I still believe them. Time will tell.

                  So my laptop will soon be off on its second trip, this time with things being handled quite differently. Stay tuned...
                  Xenix/UNIX user since 1985 | Linux user since 1991 | Was registered Linux user #163544

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                    #24
                    So they didn't test your laptop, they tested their process - and failed.
                    The next brick house on the left
                    Intel i7 11th Gen | 16GB | 1TB | KDE Plasma 5.27.11​| Kubuntu 24.04 | 6.8.0-31-generic



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                      #25
                      I hadn't quite thought about it like that, but, yeah, jglen, you're right!

                      Let's hope the second try is the charm. I'm not too keen on waiting for a third try! Oh, I told them that I believe I got a lemon, and under California's lemon law, I know I'm entitled to an appropriate (as in, new, not refurbished) replacement, but that I'm fine with going through the process they've outlined. I mean, I WANT to be 100% sure that the laptop itself is a lemon, you know? That it's not just a part that needs to be replaced. We'll see.
                      Xenix/UNIX user since 1985 | Linux user since 1991 | Was registered Linux user #163544

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                        #26
                        This sounds like progress. Or, as the math-guy in me would rather put it: 'It is certainly not the case that this is not progress!' But, at my age now, as the philosopher in me would put it, 'It is certainly not the case that this is not possibly (i.e., with some nonzero probability) progress!' So, at least, your friends here are giving you new perspectives ... ... 'perspective' might be another word for "entertainment." Keep us posted, my friend.
                        An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles Bukowski

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                          #27
                          You just made me literally laugh out loud, Qq! Thanks for that.

                          Just for the record, I'm a math-guy, too. (Well, when you use 'guy' in a non-gender specific way. )
                          Xenix/UNIX user since 1985 | Linux user since 1991 | Was registered Linux user #163544

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                            #28
                            Hey, DYK, we're ALL nerds here!
                            "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
                            – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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                              #29
                              Just for the record, I'm a math-guy, too. (Well, when you use 'guy' in a non-gender specific way. )
                              Oh yeah! And never let it be said that I am stuck in some dreadful binary mode!
                              Yeah, we are all nerds here!
                              An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles Bukowski

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                                #30
                                Think outside the box, then use whatever color you choose.
                                The next brick house on the left
                                Intel i7 11th Gen | 16GB | 1TB | KDE Plasma 5.27.11​| Kubuntu 24.04 | 6.8.0-31-generic



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