Problem in Konsole

[empcrono]

Re: Problem in Konsole

Ok i think i might be able to help. hold down ctrl+alt+F1 then you will be in born agian shell. login as your norm username password etc the password wont show you typing dont worry just do it and press enter its working. then give this command sudo passwd root
then add the new password
i believe this will alllow you set "roots password"

now do this

sudo nano /usr/kde/3.4/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
you need to edit your kdmrc file changing "AllowRootLogin=false" to "AllowRootLogin=true"

[kubicle]

Re: Problem in Konsole

sudo nano /usr/kde/3.4/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
you need to edit your kdmrc file changing "AllowRootLogin=false" to "AllowRootLogin=true"

That allows a graphical root login (perhaps you can troubleshoot from there), but it isn't a solution to the problem. Enabling graphical root login is usually not recommended.

On the original problem, you can try:
1. Killing kdeinit

killall kdeinit

2. Delete .DCOP* files from your home folder

rm ~/.DCOP*

3. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

I'm afraid I got piffed off with it and did a re-install this morning, I had no intention of spending ANOTHER day fixing it. I won't be installing Automatix again I can tell you! rofl

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

I am sooooooooooo close to ripping out my pc's guts and feeding them to a mechanical dog named Burt.

I re-installed, and THOUGHT everything was fine, then about 30 minutes later, all of a sudden the blasted thing decides it's going to create EXACTLY the same flippin problem.

AGAIN I couldn't do kdesu konqueror or sudo konqueror because the stupid pc or heap of metallic parts and shiny bits that calls itself a pc cannot talk to the flippin klauncher.

I just don't know what the hell is going on.

I have NOTHING but the bare bones of KDE installed right this second (after ANOTHER re-install!!) and it's working, but I KNOW as soon as I start theming it, and downloading the odd item, it's going to go belly up on me again. Barebones KDE is NO GOOD to me whatsoever, so I just don't know what the flip I'm going to do.

I have a forum that I run, and I've not been able to work on it for the past two days because of all this trouble and it's just stupid.

Is there not a simple straightforward answer as to why the klauncher does not want to play ball with me?

I've had enough, I don't like Ubuntu at all, I wanted to stay with Kubuntu but I REFUSE, yes that's right REFUSE to re-install every day! I can't even go back to Windows because I don't have the stupid amount of money required to purchase their bog standard OS.

and.. if one more person tells me to try restarting, I'm going to scream.

I don't mean to be rude, but... well, the people out there wrote this flippin OS, so why can't SOMEONE tell me what could possibly be going wrong with mine?

I apologise for my rudeness, but if you were ripping your hair out like I am right now, you'd understand.

I have two options:

1. Try again and STAY OUT of "Manage Repositories" as I think that was what caused screw up number 2.

2. Sod it and lump Ubuntu, I used it for 2 months or more before I came here, and I didn't complain, I just like the look and feel of this much better.

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

Oh, can someone please tell me how I can mount the partition of 40ish gig that I created on my 200gig (home) drive, so that I can move the important stuff I wanna keep across to that, then do a complete reinstall and format home too, just in case there are any nasty little things hiding in that directory that could be causing the system crash?

EDIT: I have now managed to mount it, but i'm only able to access it via root, so I've done something wrong there.. BUT I'm now in the middle of transferring my 30gig of stuff I want to save...

Then it's a complete COMPLETE re-install then I'll see how I get on, if that flipping klauncher causes me a problem AGAIN after all this, then it's bye bye kubuntu rofl

[kubicle]

Re: Problem in Konsole

If I can catch you before you do, perhaps you can try to answer a few questions before a complete reinstallation? It might help us troubleshoot (such an annoying issue it would be good to find a cause/solution for future reference)

I no it's a pain, but if the issue can be solved it will save you the pain of it possibly happening again. :P

1. Does this only happen with konqueror, or other apps as well?

2. Could you post the output of

ls -al ~/

(it's the directory listing of your home folder...to check the permissions/ownership of a few hidden files)

3. If you rename ~/.kde -directory and restart kde, is the problem still present
(renaming ~/.kde will reset your kde configuration/customization...you can get it back by renaming it back to ~/.kde)

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

I'm afraid that you caught me too late.

Though, it might not be too late if it starts doing it again.

I just couldn't sudo or kdesu ANY applications from Konsole, without it complaining about the klauncher, whenever I tried kate or konqueror or tried to access ANYTHING as route that required Klauncher it told me to go away

We'll see how I go... I'm in the middle of installing automatix again, only this time I've not cheated and used their automatic install, I've done it the manual way - which, when I tried it - wasn't that hard after all (I guess I was just too lazy the first time)

I still think that it had something to do with files on my home directory that I couldn't see.

THere's 4 files that are confusing me already :- they are called:

jriddell.key key.gpg.asc quinn1.key and quinn2.key I MIGHT have accidentally left them on when I moved and stuff?

(I used to have compiz and xgl installed in ubuntu)

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

*LARGEST SIGH IN THE WORLD*

I DO NOT BELIEVE IT!

After ALL THAT...

It's buggered AGAIN!

*CRIES SHOUTS AND SCREAMS LOTS*

I'm going to bed, if someone doesn't steal my pc overnight, I'm going to ritually burn it AND the Kunbuntu CD in the morning.

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

If I can catch you before you do, perhaps you can try to answer a few questions before a complete reinstallation? It might help us troubleshoot (such an annoying issue it would be good to find a cause/solution for future reference)

I no it's a pain, but if the issue can be solved it will save you the pain of it possibly happening again. :P

1. Does this only happen with konqueror, or other apps as well?

2. Could you post the output of

ls -al ~/

(it's the directory listing of your home folder...to check the permissions/ownership of a few hidden files)

3. If you rename ~/.kde -directory and restart kde, is the problem still present
(renaming ~/.kde will reset your kde configuration/customization...you can get it back by renaming it back to ~/.kde)

right, the output of ls -al ~/ is:

total 420
drwxr-xr-x 48 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 23:25 .
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  4096 2006-09-06 20:12 ..
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 94208 2006-09-06 14:52 4200 Fonts
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:11 amsn_received
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol  263 2006-09-06 22:53 automatix.log
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:11 Badges
-rw-------  1 carol carol  289 2006-09-06 23:23 .bash_history
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol  220 2006-09-06 20:12 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol  414 2006-09-06 20:12 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol 2348 2006-09-06 22:57 .bashrc
drwx------  3 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 20:45 .config
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol  65 2006-09-06 23:23 .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity__0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 carol carol  43 2006-09-06 23:23 .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity_:0 -> /home/carol/.DCOPserver_carol-simplicity__0
drwx------  2 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 20:17 Desktop
-rw-------  1 carol carol  26 2006-09-06 20:17 .dmrc
drwxr-xr-x  9 root root  4096 2006-08-01 18:05 DOCUMENTS
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:08 EmoticonsforAmsn
lrwxrwxrwx  1 carol carol  26 2006-09-06 20:12 Examples -> /usr/share/example-content
drwxr-xr-x 13 root root  4096 2006-07-12 09:06 firefox2beta1
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol  516 2006-09-06 22:55 .fonts.conf
drwx------  3 carol carol 4096 2006-09-07 09:59 .gconf
drwx------  2 carol carol 4096 2006-09-07 09:59 .gconfd
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:08 GIMPcreations
drwxr-xr-x  7 root root  4096 2006-06-10 22:04 GIMPSTUFF
drwx------  3 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 22:59 .gnome2
drwx------  2 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 22:59 .gnome2_private
drwx------  2 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 22:11 .gnupg
drwxr-xr-x  9 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:09 google-earth
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol 21487 2006-09-06 22:59 .gtk_qt_engine_rc
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol  315 2006-09-06 22:57 .gtkrc-2.0
-rw-------  1 carol carol  211 2006-09-06 23:23 .ICEauthority
drwxr-xr-x  2 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 22:59 .icons
drwxr-xr-x  3 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 23:17 .java
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol 33686 2006-08-05 21:29 jriddell.key
drwx------  4 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 20:17 .kde
-rw-------  1 carol carol  517 2006-09-06 22:58 .kderc
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:10 KDE Stuff
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:25 KEEP
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol 1730 2006-08-27 04:41 key.gpg.asc
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-08-31 21:51 KNOTES
drwx------  3 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 20:17 .local
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:08 logs
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:08 LottiePics
drwxr-xr-x  3 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 20:17 .mcop
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  4096 2006-08-26 09:24 MENUBUTTONS
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:09 MobilePhonePic
drwx------  3 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 23:07 .mozilla
drwx------  3 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 23:07 .mozilla-thunderbird
drwxr-xr-x 132 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:34 MUSIC
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-04 21:28 NVIDIA_icons
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:09 OperaDownloads
drwxr-xr-x 28 root root  4096 2006-09-06 19:09 PHOTOGRAPHS
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-08-03 10:26 Pics that HE won't store
drwxr-xr-x 34 root root  4096 2006-09-06 14:52 PICTURES
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  4096 2006-08-25 20:15 PROGRAMS etc
drwxr-xr-x  2 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 23:23 .qt
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol 1787 2006-08-05 21:36 quinn1.key
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol 1690 2006-08-05 21:37 quinn2.key
drwxr-xr-x  7 root root  4096 2006-09-06 14:52 SHARED
-rw-r--r--  1 carol carol   0 2006-09-06 20:19 .sudo_as_admin_successful
drwx------  4 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 23:21 .thumbnails
drwxr-xr-x 11 root root  4096 2006-09-06 14:02 thunderbird
drwxr-xr-x 51 root root  4096 2006-09-06 14:52 UKRABBITSANDCAVIES
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-07-19 07:06 VIDEOS
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 2006-09-06 11:03 wallpaperfromusr
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2006-09-02 08:19 WALLPAPERS
-rw-------  1 carol carol  171 2006-09-06 23:23 .Xauthority
drwxr-xr-x  2 carol carol 4096 2006-09-06 23:22 .xine
-rw-------  1 carol carol 13307 2006-09-07 10:09 .xsession-errors
carol@carol-simplicity:~$

[kubicle]

Re: Problem in Konsole

THere's 4 files that are confusing me already :- they are called:
jriddell.key key.gpg.asc quinn1.key and quinn2.key  I MIGHT have accidentally left them on when I moved and stuff?

Those are gpg-signature keys, packagers will usually sign their packages using their own keys so you'll know the packages haven't been tampered with, jriddell.key is used to sign the packages from kubuntu.org, for example. (maybe the quinn* keys were installed by automatix?...those files are not the source of your problem.

And wow, you really have a lot of root owned stuff on your home folder :P, possibly you have a reason for it, but generally the files in your home folder should be owned by you ...however the key files I was looking are owned by you as they should.

The one thing that strikes me as rather odd is this:

-rw-r--r--   1 carol carol    65 2006-09-06 23:23 .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity__0
lrwxrwxrwx   1 carol carol    43 2006-09-06 23:23 .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity_:0 -> /home/carol/.DCOPserver_carol-simplicity__0

As you can see, .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity_:0 is a symbolic link that points to .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity__0. But the link has different filesize and different permission...which is rather impossible. It must be broken somehow (I have no idea how it got that way)

So the first thing to try is to fix that link:
1. delete .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity_:0
2. create a new symlink to .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity__0 by drag-and dropping .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity__0 to /home/carol/ and choose 'Create a link here'
3. rename the new link to .DCOPserver_carol-simplicity_:0
4. Try if that helped, and if not, restart X and try again

If all that doesn't work, you can continue troubleshooting by renaming ~/.kde and relogging to clear your kde customizations. You can also create a new test user to see if the problem persists (note that you have to add that user to 'admin' group to use kdesu/sudo)

*CRIES SHOUTS AND SCREAMS LOTS*

You have still shown patience beyond the call of duty

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

Now I'm really confused as the 0 and the :0 files are actually in the same place, hidden in the home directory.

I did a search to see if this file (0 or :0) was hiding anywhere else, and it only comes up with the two that are in the home directory... surely this is wrong? I have tried deleting the :0 and it creates it automatically again (the cheeky thing appears right before my eyes and I can't do anything about it, it's like a fly landing next to a frog and tempting it because it's JUST out of reach).

Should the file ending 0 be in my carol/home directory? IF not where do I need to move it to? Bearing in mind that I can't do anything with a root folder as I can't kdesu konqueror or anything

I can't even move all my stuff I don't want to lose to the media partition because for some reason I can only access that via root, so I can't do a complete clean install again. (formatting all partitions but the one where I move stuff to) I'm already seriously peeved because I accidentally deleted my swiftfox/firefox bookmarks and ALL my information for thunderbird (including my 65 person mailing list for my forum, and EVERY single email I've ever received) (I deleted all .*** folders from my home directory last night before moving everything across - without thinking about the thunderbird and swiftfox ones that I needed to get my info out of first)

Here is a print screen of the files in my home directory:

Click to Enlarge (I thumbnailed it as not sure if there is a max image rule here)

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

now that's weird, BEFORE I posted I couldn't even get in konsole it said something about DCOP not being able to talk to klauncher... then I rebooted (CTRL ALT BCKSPC) and when I pressed "post" on the post I've just done, I thought.. what the hell I'll try it, clicked konsole and went in and kdesu konqueror and bugger me, it worked.

I will let you know if it breaks again rofl

If it breaks once more and it's not a simple fix, then I'm afraid I will HAVE to go back to Ubuntu, I can't keep doing this, I NEED to be able to concentrate on my forum, not my pc.

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

I can only think that the installation of Automatix, or one of the items that it installed caused the problem.

BUT I always speak too soon, so I will keep you informed of my progress rofl so far so good

[kubicle]

Re: Problem in Konsole

Now I'm really confused as the 0 and the :0 files are actually in the same place, hidden in the home directory.

That's how it should be, symlinks just make the same file accessible by different name(s)/path(s)

I did a search to see if this file (0 or :0) was hiding anywhere else, and it only comes up with the two that are in the home directory... surely this is wrong? I have tried deleting the :0 and it creates it automatically again (the cheeky thing appears right before my eyes and I can't do anything about it, it's like a fly landing next to a frog and tempting it because it's JUST out of reach).

If the dcopserver is running, it will probably create new ones in case you delete the files (as they are needed for it to function)...the thing is it probably creates a 'fixed' link in place of the broken one...effectively correcting your issue.
You can check by looking at the output of 'ls -al ~/' again, perhaps now the symlink has the same filesize/permissions as the actual file? (except that symlink permissions always start with l to indicate that they are links.

I can't even move all my stuff I don't want to lose to the media partition because for some reason I can only access that via root, so I can't do a complete clean install again.

You can change the ownership/permissions for mounted filesystems if you like (the process is different for different filesystems, ext3, fat32, ntfs etc., though. Search the forums if you need more information.

I will let you know if it breaks again rofl

If it breaks once more and it's not a simple fix, then I'm afraid I will HAVE to go back to Ubuntu, I can't keep doing this, I NEED to be able to concentrate on my forum, not my pc.

Well I guess the 'simple' fix could be to delete the .dcop files and let them be recreated. :P

You could keep an eye on it, though, so you might find out what it is that causes it (in other words...what did you do just before it broke)
 

[Carol76]

Re: Problem in Konsole

There has GOT to be something serious hiding in the background that is breaking it because the damn damn damn thing has just broken again!

I deleted the dcop files and rebooted (Ctrl alt bckspace) and it still won't work.

The only thing I have done is try to get a kdm screen to work.