[SOLVED] Repository confusion

[doctordruidphd]

In saucy/13.10, there seems to be some confusion about what is in the repositories.

What are the "official" kubuntu repositories? (NB - I do not use a graphical update manager).

The problem is this:

I have always had the following repository enabled:
## Kubuntu PPA list
#deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy main
#deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy main

But now it seems to be downloading tons of stuff every day (the old 'project neon' ?) labeled with "git", which I probably don't want to do on a stable system. Is this repository no longer for normal use?

[SteveRiley]

Hmm... the packages all have ~ubuntu13.10.1 at the ends of their names. Wouldn't hurt to ask over on IRC at #kubuntu-devel.

[doctordruidphd]

Hmm... the packages all have ~ubuntu13.10.1 at the ends of their names. Wouldn't hurt to ask over on IRC at #kubuntu-devel.

Just an example:
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greenman@Wolfenstein:/etc/apt$ apt-cache policy kde-workspace-data
kde-workspace-data:
Installed: 4:4.11.2+git20131003+bzr48585+pkg832~ubuntu13.10.1
Candidate: 4:4.11.2+git20131013+bzr48593+pkg832~ubuntu13.10.1
Version table:
4:4.11.2+git20131013+bzr48593+pkg832~ubuntu13.10.1 0
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy/main amd64 Packages
*** 4:4.11.2+git20131003+bzr48585+pkg832~ubuntu13.10.1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
4:4.11.2-0ubuntu1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy/universe amd64 Packages
4:4.11.1+git20130910+bzr48547+pkg822~ubuntu13.10.1 0
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy/main amd64 Packages
4:4.11.0+git20130819+bzr48502+pkg815~saucy1 0
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy/main amd64 Packages
4:4.10.97+git20130805+bzr48465+pkg810~saucy1 0
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy/main amd64 Packages

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Hence my concern. I have not seen the "git" part until 13.10. I assumed it might have to do with the fact that 13.10 WAS a development system, but now that it is not, should what may be experimental builds be a part of the stable updates?

Edit: Also many of these packages have been updating on a daily/nightly basis, further suggesting they may be experimental. Probably, as you suggest, a question best directed to developers.

[claydoh]

I don't know exactly what is going on with the PPA specifically, in terms of why this particular PP is being used, but you are seeing automated daily package builds from KDE's stable branch- which is housed on git - the use of git doesn't necessarily mean it is pre-release code, btw.

Disconcerting, nonetheless.

Normally, there are no packages in that ppa for any kubuntu version until there is an actual KDE point release to package. Maybe someone forgot to turn them off? (they have been working on more automation for building things iirc)

I'll pop in and ask them if I catch someone.

[doctordruidphd]

Thanks. As I said, this has only happened with Saucy. Sometimes there are 200-300 mb of updates on a daily basis, and often the same ones (ie akonadi stuff) day after day, so I suspect this is development stuff. I currently have that repository turned off.

[tek_heretik]

Sorry for the intrusion but I have yet another PPA joke...'Possibly Producing Apocalypse', lol.

[SteveRiley]

Looks like the Kubuntu updates PPA has stopped publishing for now. This left me in kind of a weird state, where many installed packages were no longer linked to either the Saucy release or to any PPA. I wrote up a procedure describing how to fix this.

http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?63985

[Rog132]

Kubuntu PPA

“Package Archives for Kubuntu” team: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa

Personal package archives
Kubuntu Backports
Kubuntu Beta Backports
Kubuntu Experimental
Kubuntu Updates
Kubuntu Package Staging (DON'T USE)

Kubuntu Backports

PPA description

Backports of new versions of KDE and major KDE apps for Kubuntu which are either too large a change or not yet tested enough to go to Ubuntu Backports.

Kubuntu Beta Backports

PPA description

Backports of beta versions of KDE and major KDE apps

Kubuntu Experimental

PPA description

Testing ground for unfinished Kubuntu packages.

Kubuntu Updates

PPA description

Updates for Kubuntu releases which are due to go to Ubuntu Updates. Mostly KDE point releases.

Kubuntu Package Staging (DON'T USE)

PPA description

For the love of the blue gears, DO NOT USE.
This is where we build and stage the packages for final PPA releases, so this PPA will never have usable packages.

Sometimes the Kubuntu developers are using the empty PPAs for testing purposes: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/10/16...el.html#t09:49

Mamarok why is that git package in the backports ppa? 09:49

yofel no, you have a PPA enabled: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ 09:49

Mamarok that shouldn't cause problems, as normally it should be empty for saucy, no? 09:50

yofel well, I've been trying to spin daily builds off the stable branches for testing, but I might purge those tomorrow as I didn't get everything finished that's needed for that 09:51
yofel (mostly the packaging changes) 09:51

Before the release

Before the release the packages are added to the proposed repository. From the proposed the packages are moved to the Ubuntu repositories and they are replacing the existing, older, packages.

After the release

The packages are added to the proposed repository. If the packages are passing the SRU then the packages are added to the Ubuntu Updates repository. The packages are not replacing the existing, older, packages from the final release. They are only replacing the packages from the Ubuntu Updates.

After the release the Kubuntu (KDE) packages:

Kubuntu ninjas PPA -> Kubuntu Package Staging PPA -> Kubuntu Updates/Backports -> Ubuntu Updates/Backports.




More

Repositories/Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
UbuntuUpdates: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuUpdates
StableReleaseUpdates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
UbuntuBackports: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
EnableProposed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed

[doctordruidphd]

OK, I thought I had it straight, now I am confused.

Here is what I HAD for kubuntu repositories:

## Kubuntu PPA list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy main
## Kubuntu backports
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ saucy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ saucy main
## Kubuntu beta
# deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu/ saucy main
# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu/ saucy main
## Kubuntu Experimental
# deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu/ saucy main
# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu/ saucy main

The first one was evidently pulling in nightly builds, so I disabled all of these. Now I have a bunch of "orphaned" packages; will try SteveReily's script to fix it, though I am a bit concerned as to what that's going to do to all the stuff I pull in from other ppa's. Will find out I guess.

But now, what repositories should I have enabled for kubuntu? I want the kubuntu updates and backports, but NOT any project neon stuff or staging, proposed, or experimental?

[claydoh]

OK, I thought I had it straight, now I am confused.

Here is what I HAD for kubuntu repositories:

## Kubuntu PPA list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy main
## Kubuntu backports
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ saucy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ saucy main
## Kubuntu beta
# deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu/ saucy main
# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu/ saucy main
## Kubuntu Experimental
# deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu/ saucy main
# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu/ saucy main

The first one was evidently pulling in nightly builds, so I disabled all of these. Now I have a bunch of "orphaned" packages; will try SteveReily's script to fix it, though I am a bit concerned as to what that's going to do to all the stuff I pull in from other ppa's. Will find out I guess.

But now, what repositories should I have enabled for kubuntu? I want the kubuntu updates and backports, but NOT any project neon stuff or staging, proposed, or experimental?

Your list is proper, I am guessing that purely for saucy (pre-release) they had daily builds going on, and neglected to turn them off before release.

[Snowhog]

These are the .list contents/files I use:

Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy main restricted
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-updates main restricted
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy universe
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-updates universe
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy multiverse
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-updates multiverse
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-security main restricted
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-security universe
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-security multiverse
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu saucy partner
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-proposed universe main restricted multiverse
deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/claydoh-kmymoney2.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/claydoh/kmymoney2-kde4/ubuntu saucy main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-earth.list
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kubuntu-ppa-backports.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu saucy main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kubuntu-ppa-beta.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu saucy main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kubuntu-ppa-ppa.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu saucy main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/libdvdcss.list
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/recoll-backports.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/recoll-back...1.15-on/ubuntu saucy main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/samrog131-ppa.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/samrog131/ppa/ubuntu saucy main

My PCs have been rock-solid.

[SteveRiley]

will try SteveReily's script to fix it, though I am a bit concerned as to what that's going to do to all the stuff I pull in from other ppa's. Will find out I guess.

In the preferences file, I indicate that APT should apply the 1001 priority only to packages whose origin is Ubuntu (which includes Kubuntu). This is intentional and avoids causing the downgrade to apply to packages from other PPAs.

But now, what repositories should I have enabled for kubuntu? I want the kubuntu updates and backports

Currently, these PPAs are empty for Saucy. Eventually they'll start to fill up, once the team irons out the kinks in the automated build processes.

[doctordruidphd]

OK, thanks. Waiting for 359 packages to downgrade...

[doctordruidphd]

FYI - there is still some git stuff in the kubuntu updates repository, don't re-enable it just yet.

greenman@Wolfenstein:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
  kate kate-data katepart kwrite libkateinterfaces4 libkatepartinterfaces4
6 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 3,284 kB of archives.
After this operation, 24.6 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
greenman@Wolfenstein:/etc/apt$ apt-cache policy kate
kate:
  Installed: 4:4.11.2a-0ubuntu1
  Candidate: 4:4.11.2a+git20131023+bzr2699+pkg147~ubuntu13.10.1
  Version table:
     4:4.11.2a+git20131023+bzr2699+pkg147~ubuntu13.10.1 0
        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy/main amd64 Packages
 *** 4:4.11.2a-0ubuntu1 0
        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy/universe amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

[SteveRiley]

FYI - there is still some git stuff in the kubuntu updates repository, don't re-enable it just yet.

Yep, I noticed that yesterday when I was devising the fix. Once the auto-build stuff starts working properly, I suspect it'll be safe to re-enable the PPAs.