Kubuntu 9.10 will be

[russlar]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

Was that directed at my post?
http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=62518
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167138

nope, that wasn't at you.

[stevek]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

Oh, then just my paranoia

[suplero]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

They may have been directed at me, and that's fine.

Here is a question I have then:

What part of Kubuntu belongs to KDE and what part is specifically Canonical?

The links posted were KDE specific, and I think there are tweaks and mods that might not be truly KDE based.

For example, I have a problem with the screen saver. It keeps coming on no matter what I do. I have everything I can find - screen saver, power management, display and the like - all set for 120 minutes, yet at around 20 minutes the screen saver always kicks in. Makes watching movies really painful. Who does that belong to? Maybe there is a setting I am missing. I was able to get the screen saver set properly in 9.04, but now in 9.10 I can't get it to work.

Also, the Konqueror setting of "open folders in new window" for the file browser has never worked in Kubuntu since going to KDE 4.0. However, in other posts - specifically one in the OpenSUSUE forum - the 'bug' was that every click on a folder resulted in a new window opening. Is that KDE or Kubuntu and OpenSUSE?

I'm guessing that if the bug is sent to the wrong team, it will be ignored.

Also, what constitutes an important bug? As just a regular user, how important are the things that don't work quite right for me to call bugs? For example, the clipboard problem - that is a legitimate concern for someone experiencing it, yet "not able to reproduce" makes it worthless to a developer. The regular user would really like that fixed, and I think this is where a more comfortable level of communication would be beneficial. I'm sure many bugs are configuration dependent, and without the coordination nothing happens.

I also think the release schedules are a factor. KDE 4.3.1 just released, and Kubuntu is still in alpha. I'm guessing that depending on the severity of the 'bug', fixes may or may not appear in both at the same time - so for example, if it is fixed in KDE, but Kubuntu doesn't incorporate the fix, what is the end user supposed to think?

I'm not saying this is happening, just that it is one more added confusion that the end user might experience.

As long as I am ranting again, I want to add one more. I've been involved with startups, and then big projects - and there is an inevitable attitude shift as the project grows.

At the beginning, if there is a problem, the user interacts with the developer, and the team is small enough that pretty much all the developers know who to talk to for a fix. As the project grows, different groups naturally emerge, and a line of responsibility emerges. If a user contacts the wrong person or team, the response I have seen has gone from "I'll send it up to Joe" to "You have to talk to the GUI guys." This new phenomenon I like to call "not my problem" syndrome.

It is easy to pass off the problem to someone else, yet it only adds to the confusion of the user. And sometimes this leads to the runaround. Kubuntu says it is a KDE problem, while KDE says it's a Kubuntu problem, and so on. It also tends to progress to "It doesn't happen on my system" and "it's a hardware problem."

All of this leaves the user frustrated, and harms the reputation of the project.

[josefko]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

GreyGeek@ I understand your point of view, I have the same and I agree with you, but my wife has different opinion. I wanted to show her point of view. She is one of 75%.
Remark to the end of your post:
Only people I personally know here in Czech Republic that uses Linux are some professional administrators, students of informatics and computer sellers. Its too little to spread Linux elsewhere here and reach 50% of market neobuntu was talking about.
I know you all on KubuntuForums do a great job for English speaking people and I appreciate it. But I don't see anybody like you around here in my town to help people personally.

[Snowhog]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

But I don't see anybody like you around here in my town to help people personally.

Maybe not in your town *physically* but they are here. Even if those you know personally aren't on linux, if they are interested, and have a PC, they can connect to and join KFN to ask questions and gather information.

[Ole Juul]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

There are so many things being said here that really puzzle me. For example if you don't like one feature in one version but liked it in the other why not use the one you like!!! I just don't get it. I personally don't like KDE4.0 (my partner does though) I just use 3.5 instead. If I liked something else, I'd use that. I'm a grown person and I make my own decisions. I don't follow computing fashions and I choose to be both conservative and pigheaded when it comes to my own machines. I don't upgrade when I'm told and I don't do a lot of stuff when I'm told. This path is available to all who use Linux. I don't see the point in complaining about a bunch of stuff when I have (and exercise) such freedom. I know, freedom comes with a price, what else is new.

Regarding getting something done about the things we don't like:
There are so many avenues of influence in Linux that it is hard to imagine someone feeling left out. What about getting involved with the new linux.org, what about joining a developers group and posting on their lists, what about joining the "bugs in one hundred paper cuts" where they are actually asking (right now!) for input on usability and small problems, what about the things that have already been mentioned. As a man with a keyboard and an internet connection I have never felt as empowered as I do in the linux world.

[GreyGeek]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

Each problem seems to be a reason to change operating system back to Windows.

Have you ever noticed that any problem with Linux is a reason to switch back to Windows, buy any problem with Windows is merely an act of God which cannot be avoided? (LT poster "Rainer" mentioned that observation!)

[The Liquidator]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

Gwenview, DigiKam and GIMP are not her favourite Irfanview

I agree that Irfanview is an awesome little piece of windows freeware. Runs very well on my system via wine if that's any help, in fact the author advocates it.

http://www.irfanview.com/faq.htm#Q47

[Snowhog]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

Or, concider XnView

[josefko]

Re: Kubuntu 9.10 will be

It looks like somebody could be interested in solutions, even if I came with these problems for the other reason.

for character @ there is another shortcut in Linux than in Windows

right ALT+v

content of clipboard dissapears when you shut source before paste

learn do not shut

Kmail defaults are not the same as in Outlook Express, new part of a message is at the end instead of at the beginning of the message

change templates

OO Writer DOC loses page formatting

use ODT instead

Almost every option in OO Writer is on slightly different place than in Word

learn everything from the beginning

Gwenview, DigiKam and GIMP are not favourite Irfanview

install Irfanview using wine

Webcam driver needs to compile (and again with every kernel update)

do not upgrade blocked kernel updates, but there is a way to write script which can handle it.