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**claydoh** · Mar 14, 2023, 12:01 PM

it looks like a fix to help the whining Wine users (a 32 bit package missing) seems to be breaking something else?

I had no issues with this morning's updates, but also don't use a system-installed Wine.

**claydoh** · Mar 14, 2023, 12:20 PM

An idea (may not mean anything, though).

Show me info for this package:

apt policy libldap-2.5-0

and

apt policy libldap-2.5-0:i386

**mr_raider** · Mar 14, 2023, 03:35 PM

Code:


mr_raider@hk-47:~$
mr_raider@hk-47:~$ apt policy libldap-2.5-0
libldap-2.5-0:
Installed: 2.5.13+dfsg-0ubuntu0.22.04.1
Candidate: 2.5.13+dfsg-0ubuntu0.22.04.1
Version table:
*** 2.5.13+dfsg-0ubuntu0.22.04.1 500
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
2.5.11+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu3.1 500
500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-security/main amd64 Packages
2.5.11+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu3 500
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy/main amd64 Packages
mr_raider@hk-47:~$ apt policy libldap-2.5-0:i386
libldap-2.5-0:i386:
Installed: 2.5.13+dfsg-0ubuntu0.22.04.1
Candidate: 2.5.13+dfsg-0ubuntu0.22.04.1
Version table:
*** 2.5.13+dfsg-0ubuntu0.22.04.1 500
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates/main i386 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
2.5.11+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu3.1 500
500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-security/main i386 Packages
2.5.11+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu3 500
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy/main i386 Packages
mr_raider@hk-47:~$

**benny_fletch** · Mar 14, 2023, 08:22 PM

I'm seeing something similar. It wants to remove half of my KDE packages

**jlittle** · Mar 14, 2023, 09:27 PM

I suggest waiting a day or so. Sometimes my local repo mirror ("Server for New Zealand") gets messed up, and switching (sudo software-properties-qt) to the "Main Server" for a while avoids the problem till it gets sorted out.

**claydoh** · Mar 15, 2023, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by mr_raider View Post

Code:


mr_raider@hk-47:~$
mr_raider@hk-47:~$ apt policy libldap-2.5-0

Sorry, it was nothing after all

**claydoh** · Mar 15, 2023, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by jlittle View Post

I suggest waiting a day or so. Sometimes my local repo mirror ("Server for New Zealand") gets messed up, and switching (sudo software-properties-qt) to the "Main Server" for a while avoids the problem till it gets sorted out.

I also suggest waiting, but it isn't a repo issue in this case. Plus neon don't have mirrors like Ubuntu does.

This is iirc a fubar with 32 bit dependencies and/or apt config changes while trying to fix the last one people were having. But I don't know which specific things are involved yet.

**mr_raider** · Mar 15, 2023, 05:06 AM

Solution:

https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?...12b7a4259e41bb

**claydoh** · Mar 15, 2023, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by mr_raider View Post

Solution:

https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?...12b7a4259e41bb

Lol, you beat me too it

I decided to take a shower instead of booting my PC and looking for updates.

One can use apt to install these, as you normally would.
I had these installed already, here, but I also don't have Wine or WineHQ packages installed.

**mr_raider** · Mar 15, 2023, 06:38 AM

Yeah. I stopped using system wide installs of wine and use wine only in bottle (i.e. Lutris). But removing wine i386 is likely to cause damage My guess is steam pulled in a lot dependencies.

**claydoh** · Mar 15, 2023, 07:01 AM

It isn't steam, I do use that myself. It doesn't have the depth of 32 bit dependencies that Wine does.
I also use Lutris and the new-ish Bottles project for the rare moments I need something run with Wine.

The Neon problem is that some upgrades ( a new Digikam in this case iirc) needs an updated library, that has a sub-dependency that also has a 32-bit version needed by a sub-dependency for wine.
It is sort of a whack-a-mole situation.
But the devs had mentioned creating tests to help find these beasties, so they can set up and build the 32-bit items as needed.
I don't think they have, yet lol.

**GreyGeek** · Mar 15, 2023, 07:10 AM

https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?...176375#p458746
jriddell says:

Re: I cannot install Wine staging on Jammy-rebased KDE Neon

Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:38 pm

Yes I'm afraid our poppler build makes the neon archive incompatible with the wine-staging packages at least on i386. There's no easy way around this unfortunately and it's not a priority for Neon to be compatible with non-KDE software.

So, unless Riddell caves to external pressure I doubt that wine32 will appear on neon in the future.

**claydoh** · Mar 15, 2023, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post

So, unless Riddell caves to external pressure I doubt that wine32 will appear on neon in the future.

Neon is Ubuntu, and isn't even a distro. So, yes, it does not package wine32, or *anything* not related to Plasma, KDE packaging. So win32 is going to be an Ubuntu package, no matter what.
But you are reading far too much into that statement

, since the poppler issue from that thread has already been addressed.

32-bit not being a priority does not mean that it will never be addressed.

This recent snafu is directly from building the updated 32 bit packages to match the 64 bit versions needed by the upgraded Digikam

**GreyGeek** · Mar 15, 2023, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by claydoh View Post

Neon is Ubuntu, and isn't even a distro. So, yes, it does not package wine32, or *anything* not related to Plasma, KDE packaging. So win32 is going to be an Ubuntu package, no matter what.
But you are reading far too much into that statement

, since the poppler issue from that thread has already been addressed.

32-bit not being a priority does not mean that it will never be addressed.

This recent snafu is directly from building the updated 32 bit packages to match the 64 bit versions needed by the upgraded Digikam

I'm familiar with the "neon isn't a distro" claim but common practice shows that users are treating it like it was, and most probably expect it to be.

Also, I wasn't "reading" anything into Riddell's post. Wine32 was working well in Neon's previous release but when neon released their latest point release I decided to to a clean install. My last of many methods tried in an effort to install wine32 failed precisely because libpoppler failed to install and while searching for YAS I found Riddell's post. Riddell was clear about the chances of libpoppler being modified in order to allow wine32 to be installed on neon, and never is a long time to wait. As for "non-neon" software not being supported, despite wine32 being supported in the previous point release, I understand that Riddell is making a policy decision and probably the right one, but it is a decision which tells folks who need or want wine32 to look elsewhere for a "distro" and give up their desire to run the Plasma desktop on the leading (not bleeding) edge, I moved back to Kubuntu 22.04.2 and wine32 installed easily, so the EKG program I need for my wife works beautifully.

The intent of my post was and is to warn people about the fact that wine32 doesn't work in the current point release of neon and to look elsewhere if they need wine32. Had I known in advance that neon wasn't going to have a working wine32 app in neon in the near future I would never have moved to it.

BTW, users of some other distros are experiencing the same failures to install wine32 and not all are because of libpoppler.

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