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    #1

    most interesting question of the day...

    Ohai, guys - got what I think is a pretty good question and would like input

    I asked this over in /r/kde but since the experts are here thought I'd ask here as well.

    I'd like to full-upgrade from Debian Unstable to Neon Dev Unstable. I know this isn't recommended much less supported, but since KDE package names seem to be consistent across Debian-based distributions I think that for the short term this would only upgrade KDE, as Sid is still on Frameworks 5.28.

    Anybody got any thoughts? In my head this seems like it would probably work but I need a second-through-sixth opinion

    cheers -

    --wiz
    we see things not as they are, but as we are.
    -- anais nin
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    Well, you know us; make a backup and give it a try! What's the worst that can happen; create a discontinuity in the Space Time Continuum, disrupting the fabric of reality as we know it, unleashing the Hounds of Hell upon Humanity? Small potatoes! Go for it!!
    Windows no longer obstructs my view.
    Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
    "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes​
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      #3
      Originally posted by Snowhog View Post
      Well, you know us; make a backup and give it a try! What's the worst that can happen; create a discontinuity in the Space Time Continuum, disrupting the fabric of reality as we know it, unleashing the Hounds of Hell upon Humanity? Small potatoes! Go for it!!


      I've got good backups; my harebrained scheme is to leave Debian repos active for stuff what's not KDE and pin the Neon repos at a higher priority than Debian packages - but I think Dev Unstable packages will always have higher version numbers than Sid does, so it sounds kinda logical to me.

      Okay, I gotta weekend project now. Thanks, snowhog
      we see things not as they are, but as we are.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Snowhog View Post
        Well, you know us; make a backup and give it a try! What's the worst that can happen; create a discontinuity in the Space Time Continuum, disrupting the fabric of reality as we know it, unleashing the Hounds of Hell upon Humanity? Small potatoes! Go for it!!
        What Snowhog says!
        PS -- You DO have a backup of the Universe handy, don't you?

        PSPS -- Hate to be the Grinch but I predict failure. I put Neon onto Kubuntu 14.04 and it wasn't the best experience I've ever had with a KDE desktop. Using the Neon Users Edition is the best experience with KDE I've ever had! (And, for the first time every, my NVidia GT650M 2ndary GPU is running seamlessly like it was the primary!)
        Last edited by GreyGeek; Apr 12, 2017, 10:31 AM.
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          #5
          Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post
          ...You DO have a backup of the Universe handy, don't you?
          Yeah, I've got great backups. Got one on an external drive, another on an external drive across the network and one that I use rclone to push up to google drive. All three are updated nightly.

          Nothing to lose here but time, Jerry - I just wanted a couple opinions to insure I wasn't completely nuts

          This would allow me to keep openbox as my backup WM and keep all the non-KDE stuff I use regularly. A bare metal install of Neon would cost me all my non-KDE applications and going from Debian Unstable to any version of Kubuntu is probably not possible so I'm gonna have to get the software from somewhere. I'd pin Debian repos at slightly lower priority than Neon repos.

          I'm gonna go for it this weekend. I'll just make a Debian thumb drive and if everything blows up I can go from bare metal to fully restored in about an hour.

          Thanks -
          we see things not as they are, but as we are.
          -- anais nin
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            #6
            With good backups one is never more than an hour or two away from having a pristine re-install. I've seen folks waste ten times that much time trying to fix a problem when a re-install takes so much less time. A lot of folks forget to export their email to an mbox or something similar. They often forget to export their specialized config files, their address book or their browser saved links. Many also do not keep a printout of all their passwords and associated urls. Those failures can turn a re-installation into a two or three day job.
            "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
            – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.
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              #7
              /r/kde made me sad. They said there are quite a few *buntu packages in Neon and there would almost certainly be breakage.

              Here's the thread if anyone is interested -

              https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comment...3/debian_neon/
              we see things not as they are, but as we are.
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                #8
                *see's dead trees and piles of bones as he looks down that path*
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post
                  *see's dead trees and piles of bones as he looks down that path*


                  Was trying to get away from installing Kubuntu first but it looks like it's may be necessary.

                  I guess I could install Neon first, add Kubuntu repos and get my non-qt software from there.

                  Thanks, guys - this looks like a plan.
                  we see things not as they are, but as we are.
                  -- anais nin
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                    #10
                    Best case senario: It works fine.

                    Worst case senario: I've done it! It lives! Frankenbuntu lives!! (And you do remember what happened to the monster in the end, yeah?)
                    Windows no longer obstructs my view.
                    Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
                    "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes​
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Snowhog View Post
                      Worst case senario: I've done it! It lives! Frankenbuntu lives!! (And you do remember what happened to the monster in the end, yeah?)


                      So for those of you running Neon, where do you get your non-KDE stuff? Did you leave Kubuntu repos enabled?
                      we see things not as they are, but as we are.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by wizard10000 View Post


                        So for those of you running Neon, where do you get your non-KDE stuff? Did you leave Kubuntu repos enabled?
                        yes

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by oshunluvr View Post
                          yes
                          That works. Thanks muchly

                          Thinking about it, I think the only GTK stuff I have left in KDE is synaptic (sorry, guys - I have not learned to love muon even though I've tried several times), Chrome, Firefox and avidemux.

                          Got all kinds of GTK on the openbox side, though - but considering it'd only be used in an emergency and I can run KDE apps in openbox I think I can get rid of almost all of them.
                          Last edited by wizard10000; Apr 12, 2017, 11:42 AM. Reason: added more words
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                            #14
                            Here's what a clean KDEneon install puts in /etc/apt/sources.list

                            Code:
                            stuart@neon2:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list                 
#deb cdrom:[neon user _Xenial_ - Build amd64 LIVE Binary 20170309-10:36]/ xenial main multiverse restricted universe

# See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
# newer versions of the distribution.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main restricted
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main restricted

## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates main restricted
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates main restricted

## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any
## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial universe
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial universe
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates universe
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates universe

## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu 
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to 
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in 
## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
## security team.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial multiverse
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial multiverse
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates multiverse
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates multiverse

## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-backports main restricted universe multiverse
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-backports main restricted universe multiverse

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
## 'partner' repository.
## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the
## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users.
# deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial partner
# deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial partner

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security main restricted
# deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security main restricted
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security universe
# deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security universe
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security multiverse
# deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security multiverse

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                              and these, of course :
                              Code:
                              stuart@neon2:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/neon.list 
deb http://archive.neon.kde.org/user xenial main
deb-src http://archive.neon.kde.org/user xenial main

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