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**Rog131** · Jun 04, 2008, 03:10 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

and did a:
sudo apt-get update / sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.

Ouch !

There are lot of packages in the Debian unstable/experimental. I think that apt is trying to solve problem that it can't solve: How to change stable (?) Kubuntu to unstable/experimental Debian.

My startpoint was the Hardy Heron with the KDE 3.5.9. and i did use the Synaptic package manager, Synaptic has version info search !:
#1 Update package database
#2 Search packages with the version info: 4.0.80 (KDE 4.1 beta 1)
#3 Upgrade only those packages and depending packages

**Fintan** · Jun 04, 2008, 03:13 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Ouch !

Yeah I know.

My second try didn't ruin everything but it refuses to install kdeeject.

Edit:
I just tried from my HH kde3.5.9 Test. I uninstalled everything kde4. And followed your instuctions by searching for version: 4.0.80 in synaptic and did those upgrades.

still got that kdeeject error.

What am I missing?

**Rog131** · Jun 04, 2008, 04:14 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

About KDE 3.5 / KDE 4.0 / KDE 4.1

- KDE 4.0 will install packages to /usr/lib/kde4 and can be installed alongside existing KDE 3.5.

- KDE 4.1 installation will replace KDE 3.5 installation. (this with the Debian packages, maybe with the Kubuntu packages you can have both ?)

- KDE 4.0 packages have been renamed; KDE 4.0 has "Package kdebase-kde4" but KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.1 simply have "Package kdebase".

**Fintan** · Jun 04, 2008, 05:55 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

- KDE 4.0 packages have been renamed; KDE 4.0 has "Package kdebase-kde4" but KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.1 simply have "Package kdebase".

I understand that part.

What am I missing with the kdeeject error though?

E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeeject_4%3a3.5.9.dfsg.1-2_all.deb: Versuche, »/usr/bin/kdeeject« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket kdesktop ist

As I mentioned on my HH kde3/kde4 test (not remix) I still get that error.
it is trying to replace / overwrite /usr/bin/kdeeject

Is it a residual kde4 package? if so how can I get rid of it? I can't find it any where when I turn off the debian repos.

Edit: I did find /usr/bin/kdeeject. I am in a good mood and will just try deleting it and see what happens

Edit2: I tried on a virgin HH kde3 install. No kdeeject in /usr/bin. Did the upgrade as described and get the same error again.

Synaptic tells me that these packages need repairing:
kde-bse-kio-plugins
konqueror-nsplugins

any suggestions welcome

**Rog131** · Jun 04, 2008, 09:51 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Looking those packages...

kdeeject: not installed, available 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-2 (ftp.fi.debian.org)

kdebase-kio-plugins: not installed, available:
4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-2+b1 (ftp.fi.debian.org)
4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2 (hardy-updates)
4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1 (now)
4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7 (hardy)

konqueror-nsplugins: installed 4:4.0.80-1 (ftp.fi.debian.org)

and when i look Synaptic commit Log / History:

Commit Log for Sat May 17 15:23:56 2008

Removed the following packages:
digikam
kcontrol
kde-core
kde-systemsettings
kdebase
kdebase-bin-kde3
kdebase-kio-plugins
...
Upgraded the following packages:
kdebase-bin (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1) to 4:4.0.72-1
kdebase-data (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1) to 4:4.0.72-1
kdm (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1) to 4:4.0.72-1
konqueror-nsplugins (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1) to 4:4.0.72-1
ksysguard (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1) to 4:4.0.72-1

Installed the following packages:
kde-icons-oxygen (4:4.0.72-1)
kde-window-manager (4:4.0.72-1)
kdebase-runtime (4:4.0.72-1)
kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 (4:4.0.72-1)
....

That was KDE 4.1 alpha installation...

**Fintan** · Jun 04, 2008, 10:15 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Hi rog,
well as I said at the very beginning. I was lazy.
I didn't do an install / compile of kde4.1 alpha.

What I did was this:
I reinstalled a HH kde3.5.9, updated to today.
Added the debian repos did a refresh from synaptic and did a version search for:
4.0.80

Choose:
kdebase-bin for upgrade
which gave me a lot uf upgrades:

This is my history:

Die folgenden Pakete wurden entfernt:
kcontrol
kde-systemsettings
kdebase-bin-kde3
kdesktop
kdm
kicker
kmplayer-konq-plugins
konq-plugins
konqueror
kubuntu-desktop
strigi-applet

Die folgenden Pakete wurden aktualisiert:
kdebase-bin (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2) to 4:4.0.80-1
kdebase-data (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2) to 4:4.0.80-1
kdebase-kio-plugins (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2) to 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-2+b1
konqueror-nsplugins (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2) to 4:4.0.80-1
libasound2 (1.0.15-3ubuntu4) to 1.0.16-2
libqt4-assistant (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-core (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-dbus (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-designer (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-gui (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-network (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-opengl (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-script (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-svg (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-test (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqt4-xml (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqtcore4 (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libqtgui4 (4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1) to 4.4.0-2
libsearchclient0 (0.5.7-2) to 0.5.9-1
libstreamanalyzer0 (0.5.7-2) to 0.5.9-1
libstreams0 (0.5.7-2) to 0.5.9-1
libstrigihtmlgui0 (0.5.7-2) to 0.5.9-1
strigi-daemon (0.5.7-2) to 0.5.9-1

Die folgenden Pakete wurden installiert:
kde-icons-oxygen (4:4.0.80-2)
kdebase-runtime (4:4.0.80-2)
kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 (4:4.0.80-2)
kdebase-runtime-data (4:4.0.80-2)
kdebase-runtime-data-common (4:4.0.80-2)
kdeeject (4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-2)
kdelibs-bin (4:4.0.80-1)
kdelibs5 (4:4.0.80-1)
kdelibs5-data (4:4.0.80-1)
libenchant1c2a (1.3.0-5+b1)
libfam0 (2.7.0-13.2)
libhunspell-1.2-0 (1.2.2-2)
libilmbase6 (1.0.1-2+nmu1)
libkonq5-templates (4:4.0.80-1)
libopenexr6 (1.6.1-3)
libphonon4 (4:4.0.80-1)
libqimageblitz4 (1:0.0.4-4)
libqt4-qt3support (4.4.0-2)
libqt4-sql (4.4.0-2)
libraptor1 (1.4.17-1)
librasqal0 (0.9.15-2)
librdf0 (1.0.7-1)
libsoprano4 (2.0.98-1)
libstrigiqtdbusclient0 (0.5.9-1)
libxml2-utils (2.6.32.dfsg-2)
shared-mime-info (0.30-2)

Now what?

**Rog131** · Jun 04, 2008, 11:27 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Do you have base/core/meta packages ?

kdebase, core applications for the KDE 4 desktop.
kdebase-workspace, a basic KDE 4 desktop installation.
kdemultimedia, metapackage includes multimedia applications.
kdenetwork, metapackage includes networking applications.
kdeutils, metapackage includes general-purpose utilities.
kdegraphics, metapackage includes graphics applications.
kdepimlibs5, core libraries for KDE PIM 4 applications

or do you error messages, when you try to install these ?

**Fintan** · Jun 04, 2008, 03:19 PM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

kdebase, core applications for the KDE 4 desktop.
kdebase-workspace, a basic KDE 4 desktop installation.
kdemultimedia, metapackage includes multimedia applications.
kdenetwork, metapackage includes networking applications.
kdeutils, metapackage includes general-purpose utilities.
kdegraphics, metapackage includes graphics applications.
kdepimlibs5, core libraries for KDE PIM 4 applications

Thankx Rog that did it.

Wow, this is sweet

a lot to play with.

My mistake was to update all the packages marked as updateable in synaptic.

I have a few issues with "moving" apps to the panel.
Some apps like synapic and swiftfox go to the panel but without the icon and are not "startable".

Edit:
I can't resize the panel verticaly (height) and I have yet to get kdm working but I have time.

Oh well thank you again

**Rog131** · Jun 05, 2008, 01:48 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Edit:
I can't resize the panel verticaly (height)

It seems that this is known problem: Hands on: Plasma continues to advance in KDE 4.1 beta 1

Although the new system makes it easy to change the panel's width and position, I couldn't figure out how to get it to adjust the panel's height—a task that was relatively easy with the last prerelease that I tested. This is a regression that will likely be fixed before the final release.

Note !
If you try "Plasma activities"; zoom out > Add Activity...
There is no "Remove Activity" button, well i can't find it

. Editing/removing/renaming ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc did reset desktop to the normal.

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**Fintan** · Jun 05, 2008, 02:40 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Thankx Rog
Yes I supposed as much. Probably the same with moving panel elements.

Zoom out? No thanks. At least not for now.

I still can't get those panel icons to shoe up correctly.
Below is a snapshot of what I mean:

As you can see below all the icons for synaptic, Swiftfox and Firefox are just unactive links or something.

Are you having the same problem?

On another note.
I got kdm running but it only like "circles" which isn't exactly beautiful but works.
I have tried a few, but they don't "parse". At least not for me.

-Completely remove kdm
-Install kdm, kdmtheme, kde-kdm-themes.
make sure they are the debian version.

I couldn't get kdmtheme to run so:

-edit: /etc/default/kdm.d/20_default-settings to:

USETHEME="true"
THEME="/usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/circles"

I hope this is helpful

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**Rog131** · Jun 05, 2008, 08:39 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

As you can see below all the icons for synaptic, Swiftfox and Firefox are just unactive links or something.

Are you having the same problem?

There has been changes in the .desktop files and where they are:

KDE 4.1 is keeping .desktop files in the /usr/share/applications/... . Native KDE4 application .desktop files are in the /usr/share/applications/kde4. KDE 3.5 application .desktop files are in the /usr/share/applications/kde. And non-KDE application .desktop files are in the /usr/share/applications.

Users plasma settings are kept in the ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc. There are URL links to the .desktop files.

For Firefox-2 there should be:

Code:

Url=file:///usr/share/applications/firefox-2.desktop

but if there is:

Code:

Url=kde/firefox-2.desktop

you will get "unactive links or something."

Note !
You can't edit plasma-appletsrc when plasma is on. KDE is saving plasma settings in the plasma-appletsrc when you log out. => log out, edit plasma-appletsrc, log in and:

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**Fintan** · Jun 05, 2008, 08:50 AM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Thankx Rog

I'll look into that when I get finished with playing with kubuntu 4.1.

One thing I have noticed:
I don't have the icon problem but some of my favorite plasma widgets are missing:
file viewer and notes

This is due to libplasma 2
extragear-plasma wants libplasma1

I suppose we will be getting those and more like lancelot back soon.

Cheers

**MoonRise** · Jun 05, 2008, 02:47 PM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

How's it working. Just saw on Kubuntu that the RC packages are now out. I'm a going to install them tonight.

**Fintan** · Jun 05, 2008, 02:56 PM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

Hey moonrise.

It is looking pretty good. Actually very nice. There still are a few bugs and stuff like kdesudo, probably due to the fact that I upgraded from kde4 remix, but over all it looks great.

Share your impressions here.
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3095130.0
if you wish

**MoonRise** · Jun 05, 2008, 04:55 PM

Re: KDE 4.1 - Now

My install is the KDE4 Remix. Those packages just released for KDE4.1 RC...Will it work on KDE4 Remix?

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