Common Sense

[TWPonKubuntu]

I support the Cafe as a place to talk/argue/discuss non-KFN topics. That includes politics, especially in this time of Politically Correct proponents. It sure beats talking about the weather...

[revmacian]

"Fear is not my master!"

Bravely written, and in large font and bold RED no less! You must really mean it,

We'll see how that courage plays out when you are being accused of something politically incorrect and "canceled" merely because of the color of your skin, or because of the religious or political views you hold. It doesn't matter if you've been a member of good standing in the counter culture for years, one past or current misquote out of step with the current opinion makers and you will be history. Ask Roseann Barr how that works, or any of the other Hollywood stars who thought they were fighting the "good fight" against Fascism. What they didn't realize is that anyone to the right of Karl Marx is considered a Fascist these days. It's just a continuation of past practices, as Trotsky found out.

I'll worry about it if and when it actually happens. Until then I'm just going to enjoy life. A life lived in fear and worry is no life at all.

[revmacian]

Well, this is the reality for people who are having their employment terminated because of "cancel culture" and if you can't get employment because of these things then that affects your basic needs.

Ok, so the people are having their employment terminated. As I see it they have two choices: a) they can mope around and be sad/hurt/angry/vindictive, or b) they can spend their resources seeking food, shelter or clothing elsewhere. You have no control over what people do to you, but you have total control over how you act after the fact. Never let a violation against you produce violations within you.

It's all about perspective; if you don't change what you see, you'll never change what you be.

[Bings]

Ok, so the people are having their employment terminated. As I see it they have two choices: a) they can mope around and be sad/hurt/angry/vindictive, or b) they can spend their resources seeking food, shelter or clothing elsewhere. You have no control over what people do to you, but you have total control over how you act after the fact. Never let a violation against you produce violations within you.

It's all about perspective; if you don't change what you see, you'll never change what you be.

or c) people could strive to live in a world where these violations don't happen in the first place. Your hippy sound bite doesn't make sense, when you're the one with the position of not doing or saying anything unless it personally affects your ability to buy food basics. The technology talked about in the OP is not only relevant to your dreamy "everything is ok" world but is also used by people who live in genuinely nasty regimes and this is just another rod for them to be beaten with. There would be a lot less misery and death in the world if first world corporations didn't profiteer by enabling nasty regimes in other countries with their products.

It's funny that your keep yourself to yourself mantra didn't preclude you from joining in on this thread, despite it not affecting your ability to find food, clothes and shelter.

[revmacian]

or c) people could strive to live in a world where these violations don't happen in the first place. Your hippy sound bite doesn't make sense, when you're the one with the position of not doing or saying anything unless it personally affects your ability to buy food basics. The technology talked about in the OP is not only relevant to your dreamy "everything is ok" world but is also used by people who live in genuinely nasty regimes and this is just another rod for them to be beaten with. There would be a lot less misery and death in the world if first world corporations didn't profiteer by enabling nasty regimes in other countries with their products.

It's funny that your keep yourself to yourself mantra didn't preclude you from joining in on this thread, despite it not affecting your ability to find food, clothes and shelter.

How does any of that prevent me from obtaining food shelter or clothing?

Please stop parroting the same stuff and answer my question. Or at least admit why you're not willing to answer my question - I know why you can't answer my question, I just want to see if you're brave enough to admit it. There is a point to my question and it will teach you something.. if you're willing to be open-minded and learn something new. Are you brave enough to learn something new?

UPDATE: Well, it seems this is my last post in this thread. No matter what I do I can't ever reach any page of any thread past the first page. The URL says "page2", but I'm still staring at page 1.

[GreyGeek]

@revmacian, just post something that is true, but politically incorrect, on FB or Twatter or Instagram or LinkEd, and see if your employer decided to keep you around, or not. For example, you could say that the BLM movement was started by "trained and dedicated Marxists", which is entirely true by the founders own admission. Conservative and Liberal have posted links to that video and have been de-platformed.

[revmacian]

Sorry for posting this but it's the only way of getting to any page other than the first page of a thread.

[revmacian]

Well, I guess I'm out of this conversation. I'm posting this from page 1 of this conversation and I've no way of getting to page 2 of the conversation to see the latest posts. I click on the "2" in the pagebar to be taken to the 2nd page, but it doesn't work. The urlbar in my browser is showing"
"https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/77939-Common-Sense/page2"
but I'm still on page 1. So, I guess the forums' broken software has set my limits for me. Pity.. I really wanted to see what was posted beyond the 1st page. This, along with a "database" error every time I make a post.. I'm beginning to see why these forums aren't bigger than they are. Well, that and all of the conspiracy theorists who are too afraid to answer a simple question.

[Bings]

How does any of that prevent me from obtaining food shelter or clothing?

Please stop parroting the same stuff and answer my question. Or at least admit why you're not willing to answer my question - I know why you can't answer my question, I just want to see if you're brave enough to admit it. There is a point to my question and it will teach you something.. if you're willing to be open-minded and learn something new. Are you brave enough to learn something new?

I already said how it affects people's employment. That's the answer to your question.

[revmacian]

I already said how it affects people's employment. That's the answer to your question.

No, I'm sorry but you still haven't answered the question, you've tried to apply an answer in a way that gives you a sense of closure, but you've not actually answered the question. The question is: How does any of what you're saying prevent me from obtaining food, shelter or clothing. I have ~150 local friends and family. How does any of what you're saying prevent any of them from obtaining food, shelter or clothing? I keep asking this question because I'm 57 years old and I've not seen any of the conspiracy theories affect my friends or family despite hearing the exact same theories for decades. I have, however, seen people take a small issue, make a mountain out of a molehill and act like life is over and all is lost. I've lost count of how many times I've seen people blow things out of proportion.

The answer to my question is: "it doesn't". But, conspiracy theorists hold on tight to their theories.. they've become so comfortable with chaos that they're willing to create it where it doesn't exist. I could tell you how to solve the root of the problem, but most people aren't willing to leave their comfort zones long enough to listen to truth. When I ask a conspiracy theorist how their theories have negatively affect them, not others, they just repeat their theories, just like some people in these forums are doing, because their mind won't allow them to think outside their comfort zone.

I don't have the resources to take care of, keep track of and control the rest of the world. I doubt you do either. I only have real control over one person.. me. I'm 57 years old, I'm a veteran of the US Navy, I study physics, computers, engineering, medicine, psychology, I hold college degrees and I'm a trained scuba diver. I am out and about most of the time helping others where I can - I even invite homeless people to restaurants for meals, I buy them clothes and listen to their stories.. and I've never heard them repeat anything like the conspiracy theories I hear.

Now, I'm not doubting your theories, I'm saying you need to take a good long look at those theories and see if they actually apply to you, not everyone else. If they do, then make some changes in your life, your value as a human being is not based on the opinions of others. Just because someone treats you broken doesn't mean you have to be broken. I'm deaf, people treat me broken all the time.. but I won't let that make me be a broken person - I refuse to allow their problem to become my problem.

[verndog]

I applaud revmacian for standing firm on his beliefs. On such topics I see a lot of "MeToo" replies.

Years ago I guy stood up for himself by giving his views and was raked over the coals. What I admired greatly was how he handled himself. Answered each hostile reply with reason and respect. Contrary to his commenters.

As the saying goes, No Matter How Flat You Make A Pancake, there's Always Another Side.

[Don B. Cilly]

Apart from other considerations... it seems to me that if you can get repeatedly barred from obtaining employment, that would certainly hinder your capacity to obtain food and shelter, would it not?

[GreyGeek]

I applaud revmacian for standing firm on his beliefs. On such topics I see a lot of "MeToo" replies.

Years ago I guy stood up for himself by giving his views and was raked over the coals. What I admired greatly was how he handled himself. Answered each hostile reply with reason and respect. Contrary to his commenters.

As the saying goes, No Matter How Flat You Make A Pancake, there's Always Another Side.

Indeed, as long as you are allowed to flip the pancake over to see the other side.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" ~ Voltaire
"I will fight to my death so that you can quote Voltaire incorrectly" ~ unknown

[kubicle]

No Matter How Flat You Make A Pancake, there's Always Another Side.

Unless it's a Moebius pancake, of course (I'd love to see the pan for that)

Apart from other considerations... it seems to me that if you can get repeatedly barred from obtaining employment, that would certainly hinder your capacity to obtain food and shelter, would it not?

Well, so would getting murdered in your sleep or getting hit by an asteroid. The question is, does it improve one's life worrying about all the million things that could happen to you unless it actually does?

Some people I know do spend a lot of their time worrying and preparing for something or another "apocalypse", the problem with such an approach is that there is always "the next thing" to worry about (and you're guaranteed to find a new one on the internet every day)...and that can leave you "paralyzed" from enjoying your life. The pragmatists among us will cross bridges *if* they come to them, it's as valid an approach as any.

[Don B. Cilly]

Yeah, no, I'm not particularly worried about sneaky algorithms.
I do find them vaguely annoying, but worried... I'm not much of a worrier. I like to think I tend to take "calculated risks" in life - albeit too many, according to popular opinion :-).
Hey, my kids think I'm reckless ;-)

I was just wondering about that particular question, which in this context appeared to have an obvious answer.
Meaning, if you actually could - theoretically - be prevented from obtaining work, then - theoretically...
Aside from that, common sense... seems more and more a thing of the past to me, and what it has to do with this particular discussion is...