Mint parts company with KDE

[kernelbasher]

KDE truly is great I agree
You made a great move here.

[marco07]

Operating System: KDE neon 5.17
KDE Plasma Version: 5.17.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.66.0
Qt Version: 5.13.2
Kernel Version: 5.0.0-37-generic
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × Intel® Core™ i7-4600M CPU @ 2.90GHz
Memory: 15.5 GiB of RAM

[mick.kde]

KDE truly is great I agree
You made a great move here.

I've been very impressed with both Kubuntu and KDEneon. And the "vibe" on this forum is great with lots of good, supportive people.

Mick

[mick.kde]

I did a "stock" install of 19.10 and it went without a hitch. For several days, I was in "sponge" mode, absorbing everything I could about my new distro. Others posted their system information and I noticed they were running Plasma 5.17.5 while mine was 5.16. Obviously, everyone had upgraded Plasma. With more than a little curiosity, I started searching and found a link that Snowhog had posted on another thread.
https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+...untu/backports

It seemed also too simple but I tried it and it worked beautifully. So, here's my new information.

[Snowhog]

After a stock install of Kubuntu (or KDEneon), I always, after running the initial sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade, enable the Pre-release and Unsupported updates repositories. It's the closest thing to making Kubuntu or KDEneon a 'rolling release'.

[mick.kde]

After a stock install of Kubuntu (or KDEneon), I always, after running the initial sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade, enable the Pre-release and Unsupported updates repositories. It's the closest thing to making Kubuntu or KDEneon a 'rolling release'.

Thank you, Snowhog. I found this in Discover > Software Sources > Sources > Updates. If there's a better way, please advise.

Mick

[Snowhog]

Do yourself a favor and stop using Discover. It has a use, but it just isn't as good for actual system/package management as Muon Package Manager.

[mick.kde]

Do yourself a favor and stop using Discover. It has a use, but it just isn't as good for actual system/package management as Muon Package Manager.

Always appreciate good and helpful advice. Thank you. With Muon, it's:
Muon > Settings > Configure Software Sources > Updates

IMHO, I think these last few posts should be their own thread, perhaps a sticky. It would certainly help newbies like me.

Mick

[Don B. Cilly]

After a stock install of Kubuntu (or KDEneon), I always, after running the initial sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade, enable the Pre-release and Unsupported updates repositories. It's the closest thing to making Kubuntu or KDEneon a 'rolling release'.

Aren't Neon's Testing and Unstable versions supposed to do that? Or do they have altogether different repos?

I started using Neon unstable a while ago, because at the time it was the only release that had 5.16, which I needed.
Then... it was a bit unstable ;·) Testing had 5.17 already, I switched to that.

And I'm fine with it, but I'm curious as to what differences there may be between Testing, Unstable, and Stable with Pre-release and Unsupported repos.

[claydoh]

Aren't Neon's Testing and Unstable versions supposed to do that? Or do they have altogether different repos?

I started using Neon unstable a while ago, because at the time it was the only release that had 5.16, which I needed.
Then... it was a bit unstable ;·) Testing had 5.17 already, I switched to that.

And I'm fine with it, but I'm curious as to what differences there may be between Testing, Unstable, and Stable with Pre-release and Unsupported repos.

Neon's Testing and Unstable are representing different levels of pre-release Plasma build tracks, providing Beta and Alpha/pre-alpha states as opposed to official versions. The nomenclature has nothing to do with Ubuntu's repo setup.

For Ubuntu, the pre-release (aka 'Proposed') are package updates for the stable release that are being tested before release to Main. Not generally new stuff, but patched things and SRUs , to make sure they work before everyone gets them.

The Ubuntu 'unsupported repo is the Ubuntu Backorts repo, which is not at all related to the Kubuntu-Backports PPA. There is not usually much in this one.
Here is the package list for 18.04 Main repo

And the one for Eoan's Main

Not much (if anything) on the Packages.gz lists, though there may be more in the other various repo sections.

Neon is not effected, or rather should not be, as its plasma and qt , etc, are already much more recent than things in 18.04, so only non Neon software is affected by using the Ubuntu 'pre-release' and the 'unsupported' repos.

So, imo, enabling the Pre-Release Testing(-proposed) or the Unsupported (-backports) does not really add very much at all, outside of some slightly earlier non-KDE updates/security fixes and a very tiny amount of backports from the next Ubuntu release. The way to get a semi-rolling Kubuntu is to add the Kubuntu PPAs.

[verndog]

Yes mick, good info here.

[GreyGeek]

That sounded like a good idea. I hadn't run with those two options in I can't remember how many years. So, I activated them in Muon and within seconds I had a notice of 263 apps ready to update. I issued the two commands from the Konsole and after downloading the packages about half of them configured before the process broke. I used "sudo apt --fix-broken install", as recommended in the install stream following the error, and apt resolved the conflicting dependencies and completed all the configurations.

The KMail asked me for my email password but wouldn't accept it. I had not activated the KDE Wallet and the upgrades didn't activate it either, but KMail insisted that my password was wrong. Activating KDE Wallet and entering the KMail password did NOT resolve the problem. So, disabled the KDE Wallet (I never use it), I purged KMail, logged out and back in, and reconfigured my email connection. The same problem arose. So, I purged KMail again and this time I installed Thunderbird. It configured my email account automatically and then populated all my folders with all my emais, as a good IMAP connection should. So, now I am a happy camper using an email client I used to use before I switched to KMail a decade or more ago.
I also purged kwalletmanager to get rid of that beast as well.

Now all is good in the garden!

[Don B. Cilly]

:
I also find KDEwallet annoyingly annoying. I configured the browsers that used it, to not use it, and the garden is greener.

I also use Thunderbird and am quite happy with it, especially since I learned to enable the message pane (F8 toggles) so I don't have to double-click the message to open it in a new tab.

[verndog]

Do yourself a favor and stop using Discover. It has a use, but it just isn't as good for actual system/package management as Muon Package Manager.

How to stop "updates available" on task manager. I tried several suggestions: muon > automotic updates unchecked, "20auto-upgrades" set to "1". All to no avail. "20auto-upgrades" resets it back to "0"

[Don B. Cilly]

Right-click on the little triangle in the system tray, the one that shows hidden icons.
Configure System Tray > Entries, Updates > Hidden.