Is there another reason for Linus stepping down?

[GreyGeek]

I don't think that a hiatus by Linus will adversely affect the Linux Kernel. Am I not correct, that Linus, and Linus alone, controls 'when' a kernel will be released? If he doesn't say "Go", then it doesn't happen.

Well, Linus, who has written about 2% of the Linux kernel, more than any other individual or group, says he is "stepping down" for a bit and that Greg Kroah-Hartman is taking over. Greg is already the chief of the stable Linux kernel.

I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people’s emotions and respond appropriately.
...
I've talked to Greg to ask him if he'd mind finishing up 4.19 for me, so that I can take a break, and try to at least fix
my own behavior.

A kernel developer, Christoph Conrads, pointed to this series of Tweets: https://mobile.twitter.com/_sageshar...59402712657921
They speak for themselves. Tso's crime? The linux.conf.au 2011 conference had a chat mailing list for attendees. This list had considerable discussion of the Sexual and violent references and images in LCA 2011 Keynote incident. During the discussion Tso pointed to the http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/183781.pdf which is the CDC's report on violence to women, written by two women and presented to the DOJ's National Institute of Justice, headed at the time by Janet Reno. Certainly not a Right Wing agiprop study. Tso wrote "This one does a pretty good job of taking apart the Koss / Ms. Magazine study, which is the source for the "1 in 4" number." His followup careful analysis was ridiculed and he was accused of being a rape apologist. And, he was kicked out of the conference. So he knows first hand how SJW's operate.

Here are the Geek Feminism Wiki links:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/R...g_list/Email_1
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/R...A_mailing_list

Only 6 of the 10 members of the Linux Foundation Board signed the CoC. That figure is taken from the blog of "Sage Sharp", formerly known as Sarah Sharp. Mx Sharp, as them refers to be called, retired from being a developer in 2016 and started "Otter.Technology", which is a COC consulting & teaching firm. "them"? Mx Sharp only uses them/they instead of he/she, which are now apparently tainted words. It seems that CoC proponents are big on redefining words to fit their theology.

In her blog Sharp writes:

The person’s refusal to accept ‘they/them’ pronouns (thus denying my non-binary gender identity) is against the Code of Conduct.

So, one is not allowed to disagree with Sharp's political or biological interpretations of words, but Sharp certainly claims the right to disagree with the more conventional and biologically correct views of others. Sharp has a right to feel comfortable anywhere and everywhere but you and I don't? One also has to ask that if the CoC is all about inclusiveness and sensitivity why aren't CoC adherents sensitive to me and my culture and include me without attempts to remodel me?

And so, if you refuse to accept and use those pronouns you are guilty of the crime of being a "Reported Person" and deserve punishment. Of course they've worked out levels of punishment, the most extreme is being ejected from the organization. In the case of the Mozilla CoC being accused only once is sufficient to merit being fired.

Steven J Vaughn-Nicoles ridicules the idea that SJW's have invaded the Kernel dev team. Apparently he hasn't read Sharp's blog.

According to Sharp words have to be redefined to have a meaning which is more conducive of their philosophy. The "victim" is now the "reporter" and the "harasser" is now the "Reported Person". The SJW terms like "Microaggressions" and "intersectional" (link from Sharp's blog) has to be taught and accepted. Failure to accept these political points of view is a violation of the CoC.

Sage describes herself as:
"Sage is a diversity and inclusion consultant with Otter Tech. They were a Linux kernel developer for 10 years and wrote the USB 3.0 driver. They help run the Outreachy internship program.”

"They" is a plural pronoun. Using it to refer to a single person is grammatically incorrect and asinine, but forcing people to bend into pretzels is part of their shtick.

This article identifies the first accusation by Sharp against Linus and asks the question "Is Sharp a Social Justice Warrior?"

ajunArson: ”First Interesting point in that thread: The first person to start dropping f-bombs on other people is none other than Sarah Sharp. Who is using the uncivil and threatening language exactly?

Second interesting point: She doesn't seem to have a problem with a posting a rant about communications that seem to have literally nothing to do with her whatsoever. Nothing in that thread was directed at her or was even being abusive towards some other woman either.”
...

Orgasmatron:
”1. Locate or Create a Violation of the Narrative.
2. Point and Shriek.
3. Isolate and Swarm.
4. Reject and Transform.
5. Press for Surrender.
6. Appeal to Amenable Authority.
7. Show Trial.
8. Victory Parade.


SJWs are cowards. Even the slightest resistance early on is usually enough to stop the process. In this case, step 3 didn't materialize, so she's stuck repeating step 2.


Fortunately, Linus seems to be a natural. He values results over pretty much all else, and his results are currently running just about all meaningful computation and communication on and in the vicinity of this planet, so threats to withdraw approval don't mean **** to him.

Looks like they got to step 8 this time.

[claydoh]

these are good summaries, and contain much linkage that may be worth readng.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-h...-out-of-linux/

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45664640

https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-...conduct-myths/

Mr. Vaughn-Nichols is imo the most respectful and respected Linux and f/oss reporter out there.

My take:
As usual, everything is either/or +/-
In reality, it is ...non-binary.
On one hand, Linus Torvalds has been a d**k, this cannot be denied. With a fully functioning and very stable code base now, is this necessary anymore?
On the other hand, the CoC is definitely a political thing. But then again, so is F/OSS itself. (vi/emacs, Gnome/KDE, the init wars, Free software vs Open Source, etc)

Sure, activists created the thing that the kernel's CoC is based on, but I don't spy any sjw types among the developers who are on the advisory board, who administer this, and none of these activist types are currently kernel developers.

so, tl;dr:
I'll keep my eyes open, and am still waiting for real life examples of f/oss projects with CoCs having nefarious things happen. I hear talk about political witch hunts and ideological
purges, but am still waiting for actual info, not hearsay.






And, no, Riddel's removal from Ubuntu was not political/ideological

[GreyGeek]

The CoC (Code Of Conduct) was patterned after the Contributor Covenant. I was curious to see who wrote it.

https://where.coraline.codes/

A transgender, she describes herself as a "Notorious Social Justice Warrior".

She describes her transformation in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPy1vGedYI0

Interesting video.

[claydoh]

The old

The new

It will take ages and ages to read these tomes, to ferret out the eeville differences between these two

[GreyGeek]

Richard Stallman disagrees with Eric S Raymong
https://www.itwire.com/open-source/8...-stallman.html

[GreyGeek]

The old

The new

It will take ages and ages to read these tomes, to ferret out the eeville differences between these two

It's already done. "The new" is presented in the form of a patch, which was written by Greg Kroah-Hartman on 9/15/18 and committed by Linus Torvalds on 9/16/18

Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>	2018-09-15 20:26:44 +0200
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>	2018-09-16 11:42:28 -0700

It will probably be in the source for the kernel that Linus wants Greg to finish for him.

[GreyGeek]

these are good summaries, and contain much linkage that may be worth readng.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-h...-out-of-linux/
...

That article is very interesting.

Like you say, time will tell.

IF Linus comes back in within a year things will get back to normal. IF he doesn't come back the outcome will be interesting to say the least. Good or bad? Who knows? When politics gets involved the outcomes are usually much worse.





And, no, Riddel's removal from Ubuntu was not political/ideological[/QUOTE]

[MadMage999]

these are good summaries, and contain much linkage that may be worth readng.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-h...-out-of-linux/

I guess what the issue about pulling their code boils down to is that they can't remove it, they can just stop contributing to it.

[GreyGeek]

I guess what the issue about pulling their code boils down to is that they can't remove it, they can just stop contributing to it.

That's what Sallman thinks. Raymond thinks otherwise. A lot of people are giving mixed opinions. Only the independent developers would consider yanking their code because those writing for corporations don't own the code they write, the corporations do. So, do the independent coders have the money and tenacity to sue and then hang in there for 5-15 years till things drudge through the courts? I doubt if any of them do. The one guy who tried to sue the kernel team and hold Linux hostage was tossed out of court because he included code he didn't write and the code he did write was so mixed up in other code (due to merging) that it was essentially impossible to separate the code he wrote without recovering ALL the patches (which contain the +/- line entries) and analyzing each one. A specific patch may have
"- line A"
"+ line b"
in one patch and then a patch from another coder would
"-line b"
"+ line c"
and on and on for 30 years of patches.

[claydoh]

The possibility is there (or not), but how many non-anonymous kernel developers will be willing to remove that moniker from their resumes? Or, rather, link to the commits that they have made, which would also lead to the fact that they pulled their code. There is a certain prestige in being a kernel dev, which brings jobs their way and all that.


It is the internet we are talking about. A small number of voices can drown out the rest, especially when you point a microphone at them.

[chimak111]

I watched a video by Tim Pool. At https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA&t=353s, the issue of meritocracy is discussed.

I wonder how investors would assess a company that does not rely on meritocracy.

[GreyGeek]

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4913514/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm

Tim Pool is a host and producer for VICE media. He is known worldwide for his pioneering use of technology in journalism. Pool was featured in TIME's person of the year 2011, is a nominee to the TIME 100, and is the Shorty Award winder for Best journalist in Social Media 2013

I don't know if he is still with VICE media, given that most of his videos recently are not supportive of the Marxists POV.

[SpecialEd]

... that doesn't not rely on meritocracy.

Danger Will Robinson, too many negatives, system(brain)shutting down.

[GreyGeek]

The now famous Lulz article:
https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten...troversy-1252/

[chimak111]

Danger Will Robinson, too many negatives, system(brain)shutting down.

On it now!