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Ah, I misunderstood you, I thought you thought the EU was blocking that site.
(As a matter of fact: I wouldn't be surprised in the last if the EU does block sites. But I guess I should have read about that somewhere. With that new plan they are in fact really blocking, but in a clever way: the EU doesn't block content, no, Google, FaceBook, etc. censor. Especially with the latest idea if they have to remove 'extremist content' within an hour. But that latest idea is only an idea, for now)
I guess we at least agree about censorship. (I mean that censorship is a horrible idea.)
And you are absolutely right about the Marx and his followers. That's the problem: a lot of those people are just looking for plain power (or money, or both). I've been a member of three different Marxist parties here and indeed, the system to get on top let exactly the wrong people come on top. I guess that's the same in every party. To get elected they have to say 'I'm better then everybody else', and that's exactly the kind op people that shouldn't be leaders. I think.
I was about 30 years or so ago a member of the CPN (Communist Party of the Netherlands). They had already broken with the USSR when I became a member. But there were still a lot of 'old comrades'. Our neighbourhood choose some delegates for a conference. Because of the beautiful idea: inside the party you have absolutely democracy, but once a decision is taken, everybody has to stand behind that decision (at least to the outside world).
There was one little problem: we choose the wrong delegates.
We choose 3 delegates (corresponding to our amount of members), so a higer institution simply added 6 other delegates with the right ideas. So far for the 'internal democracy'.
The most baffling for me: from the around 100 members only me and one other person quit membership. The other 98 didn't agree, but accepted it for whatever reason. It's nice to be a member of a group, but when that group turns out to be a group of sheep, I prefer to be alone.
The other two parties I also quit with a conflict with the leaders. Not with the normal members.
It's possible too of course that that leaders were perfect and I simply was too blind to see that. Just like Maduro at the moment probably really believes he is the only person who can save Venezuela and people are just too stupid to see that.
I don't know how the EU is going to handle those fines. But Google and Microsoft did pay fines, so there is probably a way to do that. But I'm no lawyer, so I really don't know how that works.
I've read about a conflict where different laws are indeed a problem. Out of my memory, so it's maybe not completely correct.
In the US there's some kind of law that Microsoft etc. are obligated to give information about customers when NSA or something like that demands it, even if the date are stored inside of the EU. But the EU forbids that in most cases. It seems to be totally unclear, what Microsoft etc. have to do. If they obey the US, they get problems in the EU. But if they obey the EU, they get problems in the US.
If I remember well there was a treaty between US and EU ('safe haven'), that was meant for this kind of situations.
But some EU court declared that treaty illegal, that was when they wrote a lot about it. I think there may be a new treaty.
But indeed: I don't understand how they think this is working out. I think if Microsoft has to obey to an EU-law, we in the Netherlands also have to listen to laws in North Korea or Iran. Something says me that's not going to happen.
I've read something about a court in Canada that said Google has to remove some search results world wide. If that's going to happen, why can't North Korea, Iran or Saudi-Arabia order the same thing? Every country will forbid other thing, so the internet will become pretty empty...
Okay, now I've enlightened the world with my brilliant thoughts over to serious business.
traceroute gives me also 30 hops, but number 11 till 30 are just four stars.
What I forgot: on my site I can very simply block ranges of ip's in the htacess-file (or not block them, but give them a special page). So if they block ranges of IP's, it's pretty simple to block whole countries. You'll probably also block some poor souls not living in such a country, but using an IP inside a blocked range, but that's collateral damage.Code:traceroute to 192.104.182.109 (192.104.182.109), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 192.168.178.1 (192.168.178.1) 1.377 ms 2.570 ms 3.228 ms 2 178-84-36-1.dynamic.upc.nl (178.84.36.1) 19.778 ms 26.024 ms 26.367 ms 3 212.142.51.153 (212.142.51.153) 20.634 ms 25.615 ms 26.044 ms 4 asd-tr0021-cr101-bundle-ether112-1.aorta.net (84.116.244.37) 139.705 ms 141.758 ms 142.041 ms 5 nl-ams02a-rc2-lag-102-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.121) 143.191 ms 143.398 ms 143.567 ms 6 us-was03a-rd1-ae102-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.122) 134.156 ms 116.674 ms 117.847 ms 7 us-nyc01b-ri2-ae8-0.aorta.net (84.116.133.97) 129.513 ms 130.174 ms 131.075 ms 8 lag-5.ear3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.72.9) 131.603 ms 131.856 ms 132.012 ms 9 4.69.214.49 (4.69.214.49) 149.153 ms 141.047 ms 139.848 ms 10 LEE-ENTERPR.ear1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.28.68.2) 139.734 ms 142.039 ms 145.361 ms 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * *:
Second addition: that stars from traceroute are simply hops not used. I never use traceroute, so I didn't know that.Last edited by Goeroeboeroe; Sep 16, 2018, 05:16 PM. Reason: Bad memory and of course the traditional typosComment
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ROF,LLL!Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
In the US that is called "Gerrymandering". In the US there are two Senators per state, but the number of Congressmen is directly proportional to the number of citizens in the district. When a party is in power in a state they often reconstruct the shape of districts in such a way to minimize the opposing parties influence or maximize their own.
America is full of sheep.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
I taught in a rural HS for ten years. For last nine of those years I was elected as the chief negotiator for the members of the Nebraska Education Association (NEA), the state chapter of the naitonal teacher's union. I went to bat for several teachers whose jobs were on the line, mostly for petty reasons. One, an art teacher, didn't have his contract renewed. He was a fantastic teacher and the kids loved him. At the board meeting representing him, the board told me it was because his hair, which was down to his shoulders, was too long!
I got them to agree to a decision of the state negotiator from Lincoln. He showed up and went into executive session with the board. After 15 minutes he came out and said John had lost his job, but the state agreed to replacing the social studies texts books with the "Education 2000" series. (This was in 1978). I checked out the series; If was, essentially. Marxist propaganda. The next year the school board came after me. I was well versed in the laws and the rights of teachers and showed them that the method they were going to use to dump me was illegal and unethical. Their attorney agreed. Before the final showdown I asked several teachers I had represented over the years to back up me. I saved their jobs. I asked if they would help me save mine. ALL of them refused, citing that they "had kids" or needed to make house payments, or pay of loans. I guess my two kids and my loans didn't count. Sheep are like that. At that time I was making more money selling Apples than I was teaching in HS, and I had the highest degree and was the second highest paid teacher in the school (which was the real reason the board wanted to drop me). At my last negotiation meeting with the board, to discuss next year's pay raises and teaching supplies allowances, the board stated that we teachers could have a raise or we could have a supplies allowance, but not both. If we took the raise we bought the supplies. If we were given the supplies we didn't get a raise. I told them there was a third alternative. I resigned.
Seems to be a universal mental health problem with politicians of all persuasions.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
It "may" be a catch-22 for Microsoft and Google but I doubt it. Microsoft wrote and patented a software app called "Legal Intercept". When they bought Skype they changed Skype from using the memory and disk space of users (a form of p2p network to off load server requirements) and set up Linux server farms. On each server they installed Legal Intercept. Its sole purpose is to monitor text, voice and video between Skype users, probably intercepting the mic and camera stream before it is encrypted. It is supposedly to allow law enforcement to enter the server room and monitor or collect information from specific users. Google, it was just revealed, is helping China to create "DragonFly", and search engine which spys on its citizens. There is little doubt that Google will use it on citizens of other countries as well. That's why I have 57,000+ entries in my /etc/hosts file, most off which send google, facebook, twitter and other ad and tracking cookie dispensers to 127.0.0.1.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
That's EXACTLY how I look at it as well! If it does happen there could be a revolt here of serious proportions.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
I don't use Google directly. I use StartPage and DuckDuckGo because they strip my IP address from my query requests before sending them to Google. There are also other search engines which don't use Google's spiders.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
Here's mine:Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
#11 is a level 3 trunk line that terminates at #12. fltimes.com is really cms.chicago2.vip.townnews.com.Code:traceroute to 192.104.182.109 (192.104.182.109), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 DD-WRT (192.168.11.1) 136.015 ms 135.984 ms 135.964 ms 2 ae31-1550.lnk01-ar01.as15108.com (72.46.48.2) 135.961 ms 135.947 ms 135.933 ms 3 ae1-0.lnk04-ar02.as15108.com (104.192.104.56) 135.920 ms 135.906 ms 135.893 ms 4 ae0-0.lnk04-ar01.as15108.com (104.192.104.54) 135.907 ms 135.886 ms 135.870 ms 5 ae2-0.blv11-ar01.as15108.com (104.192.104.38) 135.806 ms 135.793 ms 135.782 ms 6 104-192-104-100.scb.ne.as15108.com (104.192.104.100) 135.674 ms 4.247 ms 4.223 ms 7 10ge4-3.core1.oma1.he.net (184.105.19.21) 5.730 ms 5.716 ms 5.674 ms 8 100ge8-1.core1.blp1.he.net (184.105.65.98) 11.539 ms 11.502 ms 11.506 ms 9 100ge8-2.core1.msp1.he.net (184.105.64.97) 12.464 ms 13.051 ms 13.045 ms 10 level3-as3356.10gigabitethernet1-6.core1.msp1.he.net (184.105.45.246) 13.017 ms 13.012 ms 13.576 ms [B]11 4.69.214.49 (4.69.214.49) 22.337 ms 22.327 ms 20.717 ms 12 lee-enterpr.ear1.chicago1.level3.net (4.28.68.2) 20.684 ms 21.218 ms 21.196 ms[/B] 13 * * * 14 * * *
Code::~$ nslookup 192.104.182.109 109.182.104.192.in-addr.arpa name = cms.chicago2.vip.townnews.com.
I still can't see fltimes.com blocking your IP because if you check the list of IP ranges just for the Netherlands in that link I posted, it must be two thousand or more. I stopped counting at 1,800 and my vertical thumb tab would only down about 5%. With 27 other countries the number of ranges could be in the 10s of thousands. or hundreds of thousands. I guess someone could create a composite of all those ranges and enter them into the dnsmasq.conf syntax to redirect ranges to a 403 page.
Hold the phone!
I attempted to page jump with select to the bottom of the list to get an exact count for Netherlands. At the bottom of the page, which is WAYYYY down, I found:
Free LITE Databases
- IP2Location™ LITE IP-COUNTRY Database
- IP2Location™ LITE IP-COUNTRY-REGION-CITY Database
- IP2Location™ LITE IP-COUNTRY-REGION-CITY-LATITUDE-LONGITUDE Database
- IP2Location™ LITE IP-COUNTRY-REGION-CITY-LATITUDE-LONGITUDE-ZIPCODE Database
- IP2Location™ LITE IP-COUNTRY-REGION-CITY-LATITUDE-LONGITUDE-ZIPCODE-TIMEZONE Database
- IP2Proxy LITE IP-COUNTRY Database
- IP2Proxy LITE IP-PROXYTYPE-COUNTRY Database
- IP2Proxy LITE IP-PROXYTYPE-COUNTRY-REGION-CITY Database
- IP2Proxy LITE IP-PROXYTYPE-COUNTRY-REGION-CITY-ISP Database
- IP2Location™ LITE IP-ASN Database
Clicking on the first option I took me to a free download of a db that contains 85,308 rows
P2Location™ LITE IP-COUNTRY Database provides a solution to determine the country of origin for any IP address in a few simple steps. First, retrieve the IP address from the networking protocol or server-side variable of the Web server. Next, translate the IP address to an IP number in decimal format to speed up the database query. Lastly, reverse lookup the IP number from the IP2Location™ database to pinpoint the exact geographical location. The DB1.LITE edition is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License. It is free for personal or commercial use with attribution required by mentioning the use of this data as follows,
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So, they've made it easy for any server to block EU. Good to know!
The BIG question for you is: does your use of this forum put you in violation of the GDPR because of the links to videos, web pages and such, all of which probably have some form of copyright related to them?Last edited by GreyGeek; Sep 16, 2018, 09:50 PM."A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
– John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.Comment
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I've a lot more stories about sheep, but that's boring. I don't like sheep. They are all the same. Goats I like. They make fun and are all different. Once saved a sheep (when I was living on he country) that was chased in a ditch with water by a dog. It was drowning because of its heavy wool, soaked with water. The (very heavy) stupid animal jumped right back in the ditch after we had saved it. Had to save it twice.
(About that adding delegates: there's one thing to say for it: at least they didn't shoot the members that choose the wrong delegates. But I guess that members, including me, would have ended in our own cozy Gulag Terschelling, if they had possessed real power.)
I use Google for all unimportant searches. As soon as it gets a bit sensitive I use DuckDuckGo (crazy name...). I've blocked a lot too, so I I've no problems with being followed. Possibly Google knows my 'normal' searches, but I've no problem with that.Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post
I have an account with Google for my website. If you have a site, it's almost impossible to not use google's tools. But the eh, friendly people, at Google changed something about a week ago. If I log in on that Google account for the website, I am automatically logged in on their search page too. Very sneaky.
I have to log out by hand, but the logging in goes without any notice.
No, I still can sleep in my own bed. There are two different things here.Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post
The GDPR is about tracking and cookies etc. It has nothing to do with copyright. Because it is so strict, a lot of advertising networks don't comply too. And that's where the problem starts: for fltimes etc. that earn (also) money with advertisements, it's probably far cheaper to block EU then changing their whole site and earning model.
Actually I have no problem with the GDPR, because all by all it does more good then bad. But I understand sites that have few visitors from the EU simply block those visitors.
(That's apart from the discussion if it's a good thing an EU law can be applied on US, or Uganda, or... But inside the EU it's working pretty good. I haven't thought really deep about that, but I think it's not a good idea to have these laws worldwide, because of North Korea etc. doing the same in our countries.)
The other thing is the regulation the EU parliament just took about 'copyright'. Between quotation marks, because I don't believe that was the real reason. But even then: not the visitor, the site is responsible. And indeed: if on this forum some copyrighted material is, the forum could get a huge fine (up to 40 billion or 4% of it's yearly revenue.) They say that's only going to happen to big platforms like Google, FaceBook, etc. But the regulation is so vague it can simply been used against the smallest site, forum, etc.
But it's always the site, not the visitor. And it may take a long time before it's really a law. 28 countries have to negotiate, and 28 countries have to make national laws. In the meantime it's still possible to influence the whole process.
The third, most horrible, is the latest idea: you have to remove 'extremist content' within an hour. No warning, no take down request, sites themselves have to monitor. First: what is 'extremist content'. Is Putin an extremist? Is Trump? My very own ideas are extremist in the eyes of some people. A lot of Europeans find the idea of (more or less) free possession of weapons extremist. Etc., etc. Of course it's only about IS etc. and I of course immediately really believe that, because everybody knows politicians are always honest...
If they don't remove it within an hour, they can get fines of billions. IF the idea becomes reality.
But I'm afraid that chance is pretty big.
In Germany they have such a law since begin 2018. They can get fines up to 50.000.000 Euro. Also people working on FaceBook etc. can get fines in person, not only the company. If you search for 'germany hate law internet' you'll find lots of information.
Of course FaceBook etc. are blocking a lot. They already did, but now even much more. They even blocked a minister. I guess that was an algorithm, but maybe it was a way of protesting.
And in Germany also ordinary people can be prosecuted. A few days ago I read about an ordinary German man that's investigated by police. His crime? There was a satirical online magazine that ridiculed some politician. In the background they had an image of Hitler.
The man had liked that site, that was all. It wasn't even an article in favor of Hitler, it was against a politician. They only had an background image of Hitler, suggesting the politician had ideas like Hitler. Simply liking that site on FaceBook gave the man an investigation.
(The fact I've read this shows that's luckily not normal yet.)
In Germany they have - understandably - very strict laws about propaganda for Hitler and his ideas. You could start a discussion if that's good or bad, but that's another discussion. If simply liking a post, even if it was pro Hitler, leads to an investigation. that's completely the end of any form of free speech.
If that law is possible in Germany, than it's possible in the whole EU.
I am not somber at all for myself, but I'm really glad I'm not young anymore, because I think I'm not going to like the future.
I almost forgot: there are even sites like https://www.ip2location.com/free/visitor-blocker where you can copy a range of ip's for a country and simply put them in your htaccess. (htaccess is for the Apache server, but other servers probably have the same possibilities). I sometimes think of blocking Ukraine, because of the amount of attempts to break in the forum on my site. Almost all come from Ukraine. But I hate the idea blocking a complete country because of some crooks.Last edited by Goeroeboeroe; Sep 17, 2018, 04:51 AM. Reason: Typos and I had the UK spellchecker working...Comment
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You can divide people up into three groups: sheep, sheep dogs and wolves. I'm a sheep dog, and part of the armed security at the church I attend.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
That requirement is no accident. It is a speed trap designed to deliberate generate revenue from deep pockets, not that Google doesn't deserve it.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
A preacher at the church I attend had a presence on Facebook almost from the day it started. His account was deleted without warning a couple of weeks ago, so I guess that it is most preachers who are serious about their beliefs and not just those shepherding groups of SJW's meeting for social reasons.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
Pat Condell releases some blistering criticisms of the politics in his country, England, and the EU in general. He's been banned from YouTube beginning about 7 months ago. His new videos are on BitChute Here is his latest: https://www.bitchute.com/video/R9T4dGAxtO0/Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
I'm 77 and I've lived through the best and most free times the US has ever had. It all began to fall apart in the summer 1968. I fear for my grandsons and of the society they will be forced to endure. East Germany comes to mind.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
That site was in a previous post of yours and I checked it out. It is the reason why I said in my last post 'Hold the phone!' and agreed with you that fltimes.com probably was blocking the EU. My traceroute was an experiment to see if they were using a third party blocking site. They weren't.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
The Internet was an American military invention (HTML wasn't) designed to keep research and military institutions in communication even during a nuclear war, and up until Obama gave it away it was about as free as one could keep it, at least in the US. I never heard of a person or a website being blocked for political reasons until the Socials started doing it just before the 2008 US election in order to boost Obama's candidacy. It got worse in 2012 and Obama even weaponized the IRS to block Conservative groups from being able to solicit tax exempt political donations (501c3). During the last three years the Socials digital book burning has been creating massive bonfires but also creating enough light to let everyone know what their intentions are. Everything that Trump has ever done during his entire life BEFORE becoming POTUS (being a billionaire, multiple marriages, multiple consenting sexual encounters while married ... all of it is, according to the press and the Democrats, worthy of justifying his impeachment. BUT, Clinton AS POTUS having sex with an intern the MNM claims is simply his own personal business and we should keep our noses out of it.
When Hillary began running for POTUS in 2015 big name MNM talking heads were asked to attend a dinner by her campaign manager to
About 95 showed up. You can read who did the list. From April of 2015 the major national media has been a sock puppet for the Democrat party. Their partisanship has gotten even worse since Trumps' election.We wanted to make sure everyone on this email had the latest information on the two upcoming dinners with reporters. Both are off-the-record.
1) Thursday night, April 9th at 7:00p.m. Dinner at the Home of John Podesta. His address is 3743 Brandywine St NW in Washington, DC. This will be with about 20 reporters who will closely cover the campaign (aka the bus).
2) Friday night, April 10th at 6:30p.m. Cocktails and Hors D'oeuvre at the Home of Joel Benenson. His home address is 60 E. 96th Street, #12B, New York, 10128. This is with a broader universe of New York reporters.
IF Trump has done nothing else he has exposed which Republicans are actually Democrats in Republican clothing, which "Conservative" news media are not, and which Conservative pundits weren't really conservative at all.
https://observer.com/2016/11/mainstr...nton-campaign/
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/...-relationship/
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ress-Plan.htmlLast edited by GreyGeek; Sep 17, 2018, 11:42 AM."A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
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I can't watch that video, because I have hearing problems and there are no subtitles. When I see the reactions I don't think I'm going to be a big fan of him. But that doesn't matter: it's really a shame Google is banning people.
And if I read the reactions I think he is in favor of the Brexit and against the EU. In that I fully agree. A long time ago I was in favor of the EU, but it changed completely. I really hope to see it end, but I won't live probably anymore when that happens.
As far as I can see at the moment it are mostly (far)-right or (very) conservative sites/people that are banned at the moment. But that doesn't matter: banning is simply bad. (With one exception for me: really calling for violence against (a group of) people.)
I have been very active in the past in the far-left, but I was never really popular because I always defended the right of (far)-right people to demonstrate etc. If you want here to stop a demonstration or meeting, you only have to threaten with violence or a chance of violence and most of the time the demonstration/meeting is forbidden because of public order.
I think that's ridiculous: the government should protect freedom of demonstration etc. And of course it starts happening now too with the forbidding of more left orientated demonstrations.
I'm not going to react in detail on everything you wrote, because I think we will keep disagreeing about a lot of things. But that doesn't matter: I've read it and it makes me think about my own views, and that's never bad. Especially since you think so different about a lot of things. And I may not agree with a lot, but you certainly try to find arguments and sources. It's not just shouting.
But back to internet.
Maybe the decentralized web (Dweb calls Mozilla it) is a solution against censorship etc, be it left or right or progressive or conservative or whatever.
Hehe, I know the internet was an American military invention. Always had a lot of fun if I told that to people that didn't like the American army. (I don't like it too, but I don't like any army. Even not the Dutch.)
What do you mean with Obama gave the internet away? I know there were some changes in domain registration or something like that.Comment
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https://www.ntia.doc.gov/press-relea...name-functionsOriginally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
In 2014 I would never have thought that the US government could be as corrupt as it is today, but the weaponization of the the IRS, the EPA, the DOJ and various other gov bureaucracies have given the freedoms supposedly guaranteed by the Constitution a serious blow. The Framers of the Constitution specifically LIMITED the power of Congress to eight areas, called "Enumerated Powers":
https://constitution.laws.com/enumerated-powers
The 10th Amendment to the Bill of Rights states:
This amendment has all but been destroyed, just like the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 8th.The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The Town Hall states:
But the extent of the attack on the 1st Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech by the Socials wasn't anticipated by most freedom loving people, until their access to FB, Twitter and YouTube (the current village square) was cut off arbitrarily by vague terms of service that apply to only one side of a discussion. In their view EVERYTHING I've written would be called "hate speech" by them and my access to their platform, which they first claimed would be open to anyone regardless of their viewpoint, would be denied. I returned the favor by blocking all of them in my hosts file, including their ads, their spy bots and their spiders.Since the Internet now permeates our lives in every possible way, it is disturbing that Obama has relinquished U.S. control over its underlying structure. Control will be turned over to a global panel, which will include totalitarian countries that do not value our First Amendment protection of free speech.
The video by Sen Ben Sasse explains how this loss of freedom came to pass. Congress's dereliction of duty is the primary reason, but it boils down to the citizenry being more focused on their pot and porn than keeping an eye on Congress and on their own freedoms. By the time they wake up it will be too late, just like it is in the EU, which is what Pat Condell is lamenting. They shut Condell down for 7 months and he has just restarted posting his opinions on BitChute, but I suspect that they will use those videos to charge him with "hate speech" and fine a/o imprison him. He knows it, but he is a sheep dog and their threats, carried out or not, do not scare him. He's like me. What can you scare a 77 year old man with considering how little time he has left.Last edited by GreyGeek; Sep 17, 2018, 03:26 PM."A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
– John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.Comment
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Ah, thanks for the information. I forgot a bit about that.
I know opinions were very divided about that, At the one hand I don't think it's okay if one country has too much influence (even if that country invented internet). At the other hand I absolutely don't like the idea (semi-)dictatures now can participate in decisions too.
I remember now at that time I found it IN THEORY a good idea. But in practice less, because everything was going well and countries like China or Russia or Saudi-Arabia...
It's not that I have an endless trust in the institutions of the US, but freedom of speech is very strong in the US, so that was indeed kind of a guarantee.
But as far as I know, but I can be wrong, I haven't noticed any bad consequences of this decision. At least: not yet.
After reading a bit about it I'm - for the moment - a bit reassured. It looks like - for the moment at least - the influence of governments is not too big in ICANN. I would be much more worried if the UN had got control, like China and Russia wanted.
I don't really see the connection between this and the banning etc. If the EU forces Google c.s. to censor what they call 'extremist content', they don't need DNS or so, I think. They simply make a law (like they are doing now) and force it on Google c.s.
If a country wanted to block a site, they could do that before too.
Maybe here is also a difference between you as an American, and me as a non-American. If NTIA had been Dutch, I would have trusted that more too, I guess.Comment
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"is" is now was. If your ox is used for your lively hood and someone gores your ox, you fall into poverty.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
PC (Politically Correct, i.e., newspeak, i.e., 1984) speech has taken hold and those who do not temper their speech according to SJW's opinions on how a subject is to be discussed soon find their social accounts banned, blocked or deleted. They accuse anyone and everyone who disagrees even in the slightest with their POV "haters" using "hate speech", then they play the race card followed by the nazi card. Only to stifle debate, of course. Even worse, these Marxist extremists DOX those they disagree with, write their employers, and often get them fired. My friend the preacher whose FB account was deleted has never used a profane word in 30 years, treats all people with respect regardless of race, creed or religion and on his FB wall he advanced the good news of Jesus Christ. For that he was accused of hate speech and his account deleted. This after being on FB nearly since it began. Meanwhile, on FB, Twitter, YouTube and other sites owned by those corporations AntiFa can post the most vile remarks, spew hatred like a fire hose, and show pictures of their attacks on police and private citizens, while posting notices of events at which they encourage violence. Their posts amd their presence remains on those sites.
Me too, for the moment. But, EU's actions and their apparent intentions are worrisome. IF they continue down their present course, or if China a/o Russia become too influential in controlling Internet speech it would be game over for the world wide web. Countries would wall off their web connections to those oppressive regimes and we would have a digital curtain replacing the Iron one.Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
Those in power use vague terms like "extremist content" without defining "extremist". When Marine Le Pen posted pictures of an ISIS beheading the EU Parliament voted to eliminate her parliamentary immunity so they could punish her. So, her "immunity" meant nothing because she wasn't a friend of those in power in the EU. (Those who do not agree with Jake, the owner of Twitter, soon find themselves out on the street.)Originally posted by Goeroeboeroe View Post
Just like the Democrats and other Marxist organizations here, those in power in the EU call anyone and everyone who disagrees with their official political opinions, and even their unofficial ones, "far-right extremists". This branding raises serious questions. If those who favor national sovereignty are "far right", just where on the political spectrum is the EU leadership? Who or want is "farther Left" than they are? Marxists? How can that be when the EU is implementing the political planks of the Marxist?
In American the political spectrum WAS fairly easy to discern in the past. Those advocating political positions indistinguishable from the 10 points of Karl Marxists and Anarchists were Far Left. Libertarians were center-left. John F. Kennedy and Eisenhower were centrists. The Nazis and the KKK were Far Right. In 1968, at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Communists took control of that party. The DNC didn't suddenly jump into Karl's arms. Over the last 50 years it has been a gradual process. But, in this midterm election cycle, the Democrats have displaced Left of center politicians with those who have jumped the shark and openly declare themselves to be Communists, i.e., Marxist, since they are always quoting him and giving the Communist power salute..
Communism and the Rule of Law under our Constitution (our Republic) cannot co-exist. They are diametrical opposites. And, as Lincoln said, a house divided cannot stand. All one has to do is compare countries that have been under the control of Marxists to countries that practice republican democracy. Before the fall of the USSR one could compare the lives of citizens in the Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, East Germany and Cuba, with how the citizens of Western Europe, Britain, Canada, the US and several South American countries lived. The countries under the boot of the Marxists were frozen in 1932, living a constant depression as the USSR drained their economic power for the benefit of those who ruled in Moscow. Even the Russians felt the oppression. "There is no Pravda in the Izvestia, and no Izvestia in the Pravda", a play on the two Marxist controlled "newspapers", the official organs of the Communist Party in the USSR.
Every Communist who gets elected into a political position has to take an oath that they "will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, and that they take this OBLIGATION willingly, without mental reservation or purpose of evasion." In doing so they lie, because they will not support the Constitution (they call it "that little book" derisively) and do everything they can to undermine it, subvert it and change its intent so that it aids oppression, not prevent it.
We've pretty well worn this topic out. It's been nice discussing it with you in a civil manner."A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
– John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.Comment
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Yes, I think too it's a bit worn out. But I really liked it.
I don't agree with a lot, but you have a coherent vision and use arguments. Some things I really don't understand. But I've been thinking especially about those kind of things. Not agreeing, but trying to understand why you have such opinions etc. If forces me to think about other views, and that's always good.
And I'll tell you a little secret. But please keep it secret. I've gone over Marx's ten points again, and I think I don't agree with every point anymore. It 's different time, dictatures like China and USSR didn't exist when Marx wrote his doctrines, etc. I think Marx himself would have changed some things too.
So maybe I stop calling myself a Marxist.
(And apart from that: I indeed hate it when people like Marudo or other dictators call themselves Marxist, while I've got nothing to do with that butchers.)
Hmmm, it started with Marx, it ends with Marx, and maybe one Marxist less (though my IDEAS stay the same.)Comment
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This really is very simple.
I am not conservative and I am not liberal and also, I am not "libertarian" as it has come to be known in the last few years which is...Libertarian is whatever can collect disgruntled conservatives or liberals.
The simple fact is that
a) BECAUSE OF LITERALISM upon which "the law of the land" is built...that is "sub-headed case law".
b) ANYBODY can "argue this or that" until it is adjudicated in the courts.
c) Because "big money" ..."big agendas"... "groups" have A LOT OF MONEY...
d) they can "tie things up in knots" for years...
through... "stays" and "injunctions" and whatever legalese the country allows.
THE FIX for this...is... "to vote the bas@#$%@ out"!
In the United States...
the BIG GORILLA no matter what "the EU" says...
Bill Clinton actually tried to "rein in" Microshaft...
What people do not know, and do not WANT to know is that...because of Bill Clinton...
Microshaft the last few years...
as RULINGS KICKED IN...that were SECRET...
the latest microshaft does not even have media player on the desktop...
The college has the latest microshaft and does not have it... and is not required to so do.
The college NOW in the latest microshaft IS REQUIRED to "allow"...Open Source documents...odt, odw etc.
BUT...as a "service to the community" can "check for compliance to...THEIR..."open standards"...
and put a white "image" over things like presentation slides because of "corruption".
AT MY COLLEGE...
and WHY can they do that?
BECAUSE...
WHO...is going to "challenge" it?
Where can I go?
the IT people?
the "dean"?
the "board of directors"?
CAN I...WAGE A LAWSUIT?
No...because it will NEVER be a "class action" because the
LIBERAL ELITE FACULTY...
who USED to HATE Microshaft and LOVE APPLE...
now...
just..."duck their heads" because they need to keep: a) job b) government contracts c) government grants d) government largess...
and the IRS, the congress, the whatever is all about kowtowing to Microshaft...
and SONY and the RIAA and et. al.
The EU can shout all it wants and wave it's hand all it wants...
yeah a few countries, municipalities whtever in the E.U. can go to 'open source"...
but...what does it matter...?
It matters not...
Who was the ONE person who visited the Obama white house MANY TIMES?
Bill Gates.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...?noredirect=on
SEARCH ON THAT PAGE FOR ANYONE associated with "open source".
G Bush actually OPENED liscences for "short range radio stations" for...HISPANICS...
oooohhh evil bush...PLAYING FOR THE HISPANIC VOTE...
https://digitalcommons.tacoma.uw.edu/ias_pub/278/
The big point here is that Linux or Open Source or whoever can wave their hands and jump up and down and shout all they want...
until there is BIG MONEY involved the chance of "open source" getting any "freedom" is...nada
What USED to be argued about was the ability of "music bands" to get their "free as in free beer' music on the whatever...
what USED to be argued about was the ability of a tired wheezy old group of geezers to play a "song" and not have to pay thousands to the RIAA...
now it is "speech"...
whatever THAT means...
Google block Kubuntu forums because of what Woodsmoke posts?
Facebook block Kubuntu links because the are not "government sanctioned as in TAXED...for MONEY... " non-taxable entities"...
the FREEDOM ACT of GWB...includes a pregnant sentence...
if "an entity has the POSSIBILITY of "causing harm" to the U.S. and in
ISLAMIC STATE TERRORIST hijacking a powerplant...
or...SONY...
that entity can be "attacked"...
So...woodsmoke posts about the RIAA unfairly targeting a music site to drive it out of business because ...NOT of the "music" but that...
the FREE MUSIC could "cause harm" to...SONY?
DO NOT BE DECIEVED...
this is all about CONTROL of people who are ...not part of the good ol' women's / men's club...
and Kubuntu...
and YOU...and I...
are NOT part of that club...
woodlovesopensourcesmokeLast edited by woodsmoke; Sep 18, 2018, 11:45 PM.Comment
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Well, Woody, the RIAA wrote a bill that Orin Hatch, who is retiring back to Utah this fall, sponsored.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/b...nimous-support
The music industry is ecstatic.
In 1976 the copyright act was amended to "extend the term to either 75 years or the life of the author plus 50 years". And, it allowed deep pockets to raid the public domain and steal works that had entered the public domain because their previous copyright term had ended, some a hundred years prior.... creates a royalty for labels, artists and musicians to be paid by digital services for master recordings created prior to Feb. 15, 1972, while also eliminating a Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 carve out for "pre-existing digital services" like Sirius XM and Music Choice
So, rest assured that the millennials are about to be squeezed dry by license fees in order to hear any kind of music from any source."A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
– John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.Comment
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