What does Facebook have on you

[Teunis]

A BIG problem with Facebook is they hold data on people that are smart enough not to have an account.

Several years ago they send me a mail inviting me to join my 'friends'.
What happened was one of my sisters and a cousin of my girlfriend had committed the ultimate stupidity by uploading their whole address book to Facebook who promptly added 1+1 and send the non-believers a mail.
They did offer an option to never contact me again but...

As you should all know many websites have Facebook trackers and thus they build up a profile of anyone they have in their database obviously including those from appropriated address books.
Another thing I absolutely hate about them is their quite advanced facial recognition done on uploaded photo's.

Once some dimwit includes names with those photo's you have become part of their matrix, absolutely scary!

Take this example, I visited a cave, somewhere half-way group photo's were made that we could buy once back at surface.
Just suppose some (future?) terrorist was in this group, I will now for eternity be linked to that person.

So I run plug-ins available for Firefox that disallow Facebook and similar to follow me.

A quite new one is made by DuckDuckGo called Privacy Essentials.

I am waiting and hoping the EU will force them to make available a tool for people like me to have their name and address removed from the data base, including form the address books of those idiots.

"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."

[TWPonKubuntu]

Teunis: Hear Hear! I could not agree more.

Orwell's "Big Brother" is Social Media.

I don't hold out much hope for a legislated solution to this loss of privacy. Similarly, a large scale community rejection of social media is also unlikely...

"You Can't Fix Stupid" is, IMO, very accurate in reference to those who use social media. Even commercial businesses have "drunk the Kookaid" and participate in this.

ARGGGGH!


Please, to all those who, like I, design websites, Fight this trend. Advise your clients of the risk to their customers (readers).
I reject job offers which require support of social media links in a website. Sure, it costs me income, but I sleep better at night.

To all who browse the 'net, vote with your mouse/stylus/finger and close windows which show social media links. You can, of course, send a message to the website owners... If you choose this option, be polite, but firm in explaining why you refuse to patronize their website.




Let the flaming begin...

[GreyGeek]

Teunis: Hear Hear! I could not agree more.

Orwell's "Big Brother" is Social Media.

I don't hold out much hope for a legislated solution to this loss of privacy. Similarly, a large scale community rejection of social media is also unlikely...

"You Can't Fix Stupid" is, IMO, very accurate in reference to those who use social media. Even commercial businesses have "drunk the Kookaid" and participate in this.

ARGGGGH!


Let the flaming begin...

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[jlittle]

So I run plug-ins available for Firefox that disallow Facebook and similar to follow me.

I've used NoScript for this; it seems to have dealt to facebook tracking. I try to avoid sites that load scripts from dozens of urls, but it's hit or miss. I'll look into privacy essentials, maybe they have a blacklist that's kept up to date.

Since this thread started, facebook have admitted that most, if not all, of their customer's data have been downloaded by entities they don't know. We suspected this, but they'd only admitted to the 80 million or so accounts Cambridge Analytica accessed. I'd have thought that outside the US they have broken the law wholesale, and face huge fines or closure, but I haven't seen reports of this.

Regards, John Little

[TWPonKubuntu]

jlittle;

I also run NoScript and it does seem to avoid many of the popups with social media links. Sometimes I need to tweak the settings for individual websites in order to view their actual content, but those are temporary weakening of the NoScript prohibitions and I remove them when I'm done with a page.

I am sometimes taken aghast (millennials can look it up) by the sheer number of third party scripts which some websites invoke... Follow the money to see their real motivation...

It is humorous when a website tells me that I must allow this or that "feature" in order to view their content. My comment is that it really THEY (the website owners) who "must" remove some of their invasive coding if they want me to read their content... They seldom hear me...

[TWPonKubuntu]

A question to ask: "What does he know that we don't?"

Apple co-founder protests Facebook by shutting down account

http://www.breitbart.com/news/apple-...-down-account/

Still it is sad to read his willingness to pay for Facebook in exchange for privacy... Makes me suspect a trend is afoot.

[Teunis]

I believe the original concept of Facebook was nice and worth paying for.
But only when there is a guarantee the data is not harvested, something near impossible in the present US judicial and political system.

What they are presently talking about is a Facebook subscription that gives greater protection against 3rd parties monetising your data but Facebook itself still reserves the right to use and abuse your postings.

[ianp5a]

I believe the original concept of Facebook was nice and worth paying for.
But only when there is a guarantee the data is not harvested, something near impossible in the present US judicial and political system.

What they are presently talking about is a Facebook subscription that gives greater protection against 3rd parties monetising your data but Facebook itself still reserves the right to use and abuse your postings.

But Facebook doesn't let anyone connect to other networks. So it's basic setup is bad. The decentralised networks, like Friendica, Hubzilla, Diaspora, Mastodon and SocialHome all connect to each others networks. You can stay in contact with your friends on the other networks even if you decide to change. They don't blackmail you to cut you off from your friends like Facebook does.

People want to stay in touch with friends and family. Having news, companies, ads, data mining and click bait on your personal network is going to deminish your experience in your private world.

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[claydoh]

But Facebook doesn't let anyone connect to other networks. So it's basic setup is bad. The decentralised networks, like Friendica, Hubzilla, Diaspora, Mastodon and SocialHome all connect to each others networks. You can stay in contact with your friends on the other networks even if you decide to change. They don't blackmail you to cut you off from your friends like Facebook does.

People want to stay in touch with friends and family. Having news, companies, ads, data mining and click bait on your personal network is going to deminish your experience in your private world.

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Well, how do you make money off of that? Or even make a living, or simply be able to pay the bills for social media? Unfortunately I think it will take a very large group of people moving to a more open or decentralized platform, and not just us tech nerds. Even then, someone on each and every node on such a network still has access to data.

Having said that, such a thing has already been done before, and it worked fairly well for the era : usenet. Then again, how much of that, like IRC, is tech nerds nerding?

[ianp5a]

Well, how do you make money off of that? Or even make a living, or simply be able to pay the bills for social media? Unfortunately I think it will take a very large group of people moving to a more open or decentralized platform, and not just us tech nerds. Even then, someone on each and every node on such a network still has access to data.

Having said that, such a thing has already been done before, and it worked fairly well for the era : usenet. Then again, how much of that, like IRC, is tech nerds nerding?

Don't worry how they make money. Don't let that cloud your view. Even Facebook didn't know at the beginning. This is not about Doing the same as Facebook but under a different name.

The smart people will always be the first to move. The sheep are always followers. You can't sit and wait for them to do something. Yes it will take a lot of people. But they don't have to all join one network.

Usenet and IRC have poor usability.

[TWPonKubuntu]

claydoh: It's not so much that I'm a techno nerd, but I'm a privacy advocate before I'm the techno nerd.

ianp51: I'm more than willing to be part of the leading edge in the push for privacy. Yes, I do feel frictional drag from the sheeple who still have their blinders on. If standing on this forum soapbox will lead some to consider the problem then I'm happy to stand here and shout.

[woodsmoke]

FACEbook requires that you put YOUR FACE on your...ummm Facebook page...

HOW MUCH CRAPPOOLA does it take for people to UNDERSTAND!!??

There is now an ALGORITHM...to take your FACE picture from FACEbook...your FACE is REQUIRED...and puts it on a porn star!!!

YOUR GRAND KID...that is SMILING FOR THE PHONE while you flip the burgers on the grill...humpin away...

https://www.wired.com/story/face-swap-porn-legal-limbo/

woodsmoke

[SpecialEd]

FACEbook requires that you put YOUR FACE on your...ummm Facebook page...
>>>>>

Since when?

[woodsmoke]

It is in their rulebook.

Just lose a password and request a new one and you will be asked for:

A PHOTOSTATIC COPY of your DRIVER's LISCENCE...with..."sensitive information" blanked out but SHOWING YOUR FACE...

When I "lost" my password to a little used FB account that I keep for interacting with various "news sites"... FB requested such...

I told them that it was curious that dozens of "friends"...actually former students etc had pictures of superheroes, skunks, flowers and what not...

and that I had a really cheap deal on a bridge in Brooklyn if they wanted to buy it before I was going to put up my drivers liscence...

They "have a policy" but it is enforced by algorithms until the nail that was not hammered down appears and then a HUMAN is all over you...

and CURIOUSLY... I was on a "news site" that wanted me to "login with my FB"...and...low and behold...

I was back in FB...because the great ZUCH was making money from the news site which was trying to target my FB...

this is just all crappola and smoke screen...

Has it ever dawned on ANYone just WHY it is...the in MANY cases... the "police" are able to SO QUICKLY apprehend a "terrorist" ... after a mass thing?

It is because during the Obama years FB and a lot of the other social media companies responded to a "ruling" that if they DID NOT provide such that they were open to civil penalty

Yeah...they put up PHONE CRACKING TO CATCH A KILLER...but that is a smokescreen...wood...smoke...screen... lol

The police keep wringing their hands that they have a suspects cellphone but just can CRACK IT...EVIL PHONE company...

while they are hauling everything in the persons social media accounts...

and can LISTEN TO THE PERSON AND VIEW THE PERSON through FB...

FB can EASILY do ONE PERSON AT A TIME./..

as can Microsith, apple any of the "cloud companies"...

WhatsApp CEO Jan Koum quits Facebook over 'data privacy' concerns

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/63982417.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medi um=text&utm_campaign=cppst

the real hauls are made on social media...

and...guess what... if the miscreant is using a laptop or a tablet...

Better cover that camera with tape...

All this crappola about Cambridge Analytica... and Trump...

the great Zuch just testified that FB is...in the business of selling advertising...

FB does not "sell your data"... FB is between the customer and you HOLDING your data...

which can be used.,,,,,'

by the customer,,,,

it is smoke and mirrors...

the customer can target you THROUGH FB...FB "holds" the data...which means it HAS the data which means it HAS YOUR DATA...

and it WILL BE SOLD...indirectly...

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/10/ma...o-advertisers/

So Cabridge Analytica TARGETED YOU...with Clinton stuff and Trump stuff...

it all depends on how long the smelly stick is but it is still a smelly stick...

FB does not "listen to you" as in a "collective million person group."... and it doesn't want to...your keystrokes are enough to make them money...

https://www.wired.com/story/facebook...ne-microphone/

But...when the police show up...with a warrant...it CAN listen TO YOU...

Listening to one targeted person is chump change...

OH NO...I can hear it now...

I...haven't done anything wrong...LET FB listen to me

ummm

until the political party that YOU do NOT LIKE...suddenly is in power...

Hie thyself to Kali Linux volunteer are desperately needed

woodtapedhiscameraandphone when he bought both of his lappys years agosmoke

[SpecialEd]

https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185/