How many Nazis are there on the Internet

[GreyGeek]

Right. If we tolerate Nazis marching through our streets and gaining more and more members, we might just tolerate them all the way into the government. When a group of people is using their civil rights to gain power so that they can take away the civil rights of a significant amount of America, should we just stand idly by and applaud their civil rights usage?

Ah, so let's take away their civil rights to make the our country and the world a safe space. Then mine. Then yours. Venezuela is the dictionary example.

Like Quidups pointed out in his video, the number of visitors to "Daily Stormer" or "StormFront", or what ever their name is, amounted to about 1,000 a week. Let that soak in. 1,000 a week. I don't know if they had a webpage in any other language but English, but 1,000 English speaking people a week from America and around the world. That fraction of the population is so low (1,000/310,000,000) it's trivial. Even less than trivial. Even when fluffed up by the media their numbers are still trivial. They are a straw man used by the media. There is evidence that the leader of the Charlottsvile Nazis was an Occupy member and Obama supporter.

AntiaFa has had more than 1,000 people at many of their various riots all over the country, destroying property and bashing people with bats full of nails, hitting them with long chains having a lock on one end (carried and used by a College professor of Ethics, no less!), spray bottles full of Urine, mace, bricks, etc... YouTube is filled with videos of similar events, filmed in Hitler's Germany 70 years ago. Then, the "evil" people, hooked nosed vermin, as the German media of the day portrayed them, also known as Jews. Today, the media is using their platform to denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with their Leftist positions.

All through the campaign cycle and beyond, AntiFa has gathered at Conservative political events, bused in by the thousands, put on their black clothing and masks and began beating on men and women of all ages whose only "crime" is wanting to attend a political rally, which is their constitutional right. The MNM called the AntiFa at Charlottsville "Counter Prospectors" or "Opposition Protesters", rather than what they were.

Are you outrages at Antifa or do you consider their numbers and/or tactics insignificant?

[whatthefunk]

Ah, so let's take away their civil rights to make the our country and the world a safe space. Then mine. Then yours. Venezuela is the dictionary example.

i dont want to take away their rights, but if they come marching through my town Ill be out there protesting against them.

All through the campaign cycle and beyond, AntiFa has gathered at Conservative political events, bused in by the thousands, put on their black clothing and masks and began beating on men and women of all ages

Evidence for this?

[GreyGeek]

i dont want to take away their rights, but if they come marching through my town Ill be out there protesting against them.



Evidence for this?

I'll be out there right beside you, but I won't stop them from speaking, I'd challange them to a public debate there and then.

Evidence for AntiFa's actions? Where have you been for the last 18 months?
Take your pick:
https://www.qwant.com/?q=antifa%20at...eople&t=videos

[jlittle]

As an outsider looking (incredulously) from afar, it seems to me that US politics have moved so far to the right that the intolerable, nut job crazy, evil even, is debated, and intelligent folks I'd like to respect have views I could never tolerate.

How has it come to this?

My intuition is that propaganda has gradually brainwashed a lot of the people of the US. If extreme views are presented as ok, just a bit out there, the perception of the middle ground in conservative minds is shifted. Rinse and repeat. Eventually, you can get the faithful to accept anything; any opposing argument is refuted by plausible-sounding sophistry.

Regards, John Little

[GreyGeek]

Your view of the dominate politics in the US depends entirely on your news sources.


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[woodsmoke]

How many LIBERAL ANARCHISTS ARE ON KUBUNTU FORUMS?

[whatthefunk]

Because all liberals are anarchists? I thought all liberals were pc control freaks who wanted to regulate the lives of all citizens. Oh wait, they are all elites who fly around in private jets turning their chins up at rural folks. Oh, no hold on a second... they are all lazy millennials who suck at the teat of the system. Or are they all poor urban minorities? It seems to change weekly...

[vinnywright]

I work in a factory ,,,,with lots of people ,,,,,,some conservative some liberal , some good old country red necks some lesbian some gay some trying to look and act like the opposite sex ,,,,,,,a broad range of stereotypes .

None ,,,and I repeat NONE of them agree with the extreme behavior of the FAR left or right ,,, and will openly say that the violent approach to representing your viewpoints is flat out wrong .

I think ,,,that those extreme people are a small minority of the population at large ,,, and it's just their extremism that gets them media attention that makes it seem as though they are a larger political position than they actually are .

at my work we all get along just fine and socialize at the picnic tables at brake or lunch ,,,,,,,,bubba red neck will give lesbian/gay a ride to McDonald's conservative office worker will give liberal worker a jump start if needed ,,ect ect ect ...

just saying

VINNY

[GreyGeek]

....
I think ,,,that those extreme people are a small minority of the population at large ,,, and it's just their extremism that gets them media attention that makes it seem as though they are a larger political position than they actually are . ...

That was the conclusion I came to after doing an Alexa search on far right and left websites. Very few visitors.

I noticed that the floods in Texas brought out the true spirit of this country. EVERYONE was helping EVERYONE else. People of all races forming human chains stretching out to folks stranded in flooded cars, etc... The favorite offenses of the KKK or the BLM didn't make a difference to 99.9999999% of the people. When someone needed a helping hand that person didn't refuse a hand because it wasn't his color. This morning CBS Sunday Morning had an excellent video essay showing exactly that.

[chimak111]

But if violent people are so few, how come the law and order system can't deal with them?

[Snowhog]

I think ,,,that those extreme people are a small minority of the population at large ,,, and it's just their extremism that gets them media attention that makes it seem as though they are a larger political position than they actually are .

The 'News', aka 'Mainstream News Media (MNM)' LOVES provocative events; the more provocative the better. Provacative equals ratings, and ratings are what MNM aims for.

[vinnywright]

the 'news', aka 'mainstream news media (mnm)' loves provocative events; the more provocative the better. Provacative equals ratings, and ratings are what mnm aims for.

+ ∞

vinny

[GreyGeek]

But if violent people are so few, how come the law and order system can't deal with them?

As a LEO it is hard to control lawlessness when the people in charge tell you to stand down.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/0...city-officers/

http://100percentfedup.com/wow-berke...acebook-group/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b00853ae7b5ae3

And there are many, many more examples. Almost everywhere Antifa attacks citizens and property in metropolitan areas controlled by the Left, they are allowed to rampage. Youtube is filled with examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGGGUhjoLpM

The ACLU is suing Charlottsville for abruptly moving the allowed site of the protest, which they claim led to the violence. Isn't it interesting that to exercise your free speech rights you must obtain a "permit" from TPTB. It's like a conservative political group asking the IRS for a 501c4 classification before Obama's second run for office. Not granting that classification to over 390 conservative groups (and 4 Leftist groups whose names sounded conservative) effectively cut off their tax exemption status and their supply of money to counter political ads that Leftist groups which were given rapid green lights on their 501c4 approval were able to pay for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VH33cNXzY4

Of course, in every one of these socialist worker's paradises controlled for decades by the Democrats, such claims are denied and they'll point you to plenty of their "fact checker" websites manned by their political allies.

[jlittle]

Your view of the dominate politics in the US depends entirely on your news sources.

This seems to support my hypothesis about conservatives and news in the USA.

For me, and most people outside the US, there are many other sources of ideas: family; books; religion; education; travel... They all help shape critical thinking^*, and help us evaluate "news" sources. With this light it appears the US right pushes a false dichotomy that the other "news" is just as biased, so it's ok for theirs to see things their way.

^*Some, perhaps including some liberals in the US, might be sceptical about my including religion in that list; for me, I really think so, particularly at my catholic high school.

[vinnywright]

This seems to support my hypothesis about conservatives and news in the USA.

For me, and most people outside the US, there are many other sources of ideas: family; books; religion; education; travel... They all help shape critical thinking^*, and help us evaluate "news" sources. With this light it appears the US right pushes a false dichotomy that the other "news" is just as biased, so it's ok for theirs to see things their way.

^*Some, perhaps including some liberals in the US, might be sceptical about my including religion in that list; for me, I really think so, particularly at my catholic high school.

I am not skeptical or surprised that you included religion in your list ,,,,,,,after all religion ,or organized religion as we know it today (all of them ) has spent thousands of years working on shaping critical thinking ,,,I would say the heads of the religious community are experts on the subject.

VINNY