when / where / how did you GROK "Linux / Ubuntu"?

[MoonRise]

Yes, you have to be very careful doing that with WIN10. When MS states do not power off, they really mean it. I had an issue somewhat similar but it was recoverable. Mine was on the part of "preparing your system for updates". Stayed that way for nearly 2 hours. After observing hard drive activity I determined I could possibly just shut down. I did, and Win 10 still had to go through its recovery stage but it did. Now, as far as powering off while doing an install, I'm not totally sure how to recover. If there is one, the recovery disk should allow you to do a roll-back. No guaranty. If I could get the few little applications to work in WINE at work I'd be switching now. MS choices in a corporate environment have become abysmal.

[woodsmoke]

There is not an option buried someplace to only invoke updates upon ticking a box?

woah!

MS really is going to force the model of a monthly subscription with the guarantee of "Microsith will take care of EVERYTHING for you.".

woodsadsmoke

[GreyGeek]

Yes, you have to be very careful doing that with WIN10. When MS states do not power off, they really mean it. I had an issue somewhat similar but it was recoverable. Mine was on the part of "preparing your system for updates". Stayed that way for nearly 2 hours.

2 hours I could see, as long as there was occasional disk activity and I could move the mouse. . But 30 HOURS?

..... If I could get the few little applications to work in WINE at work I'd be switching now. MS choices in a corporate environment have become abysmal.

Some corporate environments are switching to Apple, but MANY are hooked through the nose to Microsoft, and/or Oracle, by virtue of the quantity of data they have in MS/Oracle applications. Data which is not easily exported to other apps. So they are forced to stay. A similar situation has cost the State of Nebraska many millions of dollars in license, upgrade and maintenance fees from those two corporations alone.

I never volunteer to help folks who are not family or personal friends since I retired, and I never charged for my services.
The fellow who asked me for help was rather disappointed because he knows it is going to cost him several hundred to fix things, and he has no recourse to Microsoft because of their EULA.

BUT, if he decides that he can do without Windows, or his Windows apps can be replaced, I'd be more than happy to install Kubuntu on his box.

[woodsmoke]

I was just wondering.

Is there ANY kind of Linux machine "sandbox" in which one could install ANY app that could be found at say..... Wally World or Best Buy, aside from some humongous business app?

IF it was on a "honkin'" fast machine with plenty of memory?

As an additional question, say that somebody DID buy such a machine and then bought some oddball or brand new, as in brand new, printer scanner, could one "load drivers on a disk" "through the sandbox" into the Linux metal?

wooddoesn'tusesandboxesexceptforWINEandtwooldwindb lowsappssmoke

[whatthefunk]

Back on topic I started to really get Linux when I started doing web development and maintaining my own servers. I had a pretty good understanding of it before, but setting up dev build environments and messing around in remote headless servers took my understanding to the next level.

[woodsmoke]

Every time I think of headless servers i think of....



woodtoomuchskyjuicesmoke

[soundchaser59]

A friend of mine, who is a psychologist, called yesterday. His Win7 computer automatically upgraded itself to Win10 a couple weeks ago without asking him. I had cautioned him about this possibility so he was aware of Microsoft's tricks. The day before yesterday, when he turned his computer on, an 800+ apps upgrade came down the pipe. It started at 10AM. At 3PM yesterday it still wasn't done. Almost 30 hours. He assumed it was hung and rebooted his computer. Now it won't boot. He called me to ask for my help in recovering. Sadly, I had to inform him that I know almost nothing about Win10, certainly not enough to recover it. I gave him the phone numbers of several local computer shops.

I considered offering to install Kubuntu on his box but he needs several apps that run only on Windows. Also, bringing his hardware to my place to work on it wouldn't work because his network connection is a TW business class and it is controlled entirely by TW from their end.


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My fix for that would be either:

A recovery disk, which most Windows users dont have and have no clue what it is and which would cause your friend to lose a lot of settings and preferences. Unfortunately, the recovery disc has to be the Windows disc that came with his machine or was made on his machine, because I believe it will compare the SID activation code while it's starting the recovery process. If they don't match it will ask you to input the activation key code that is embedded in his Windows install. I believe it will do that......not positive....but most people are not savvy enough to only buy machines that have the Windows install dvd included. It's cyber suicide to buy a computer that does not come with the Windows dvd.

OR......if possible......reboot and hit F8 over and over until you get the boot options for Windows. (if you see the Windows logo then you missed it, need to hit F8 repeatedly as soon as the bios screens appear) Boot to a command prompt, then (with instructions in hand from a google search on some other machine) you can run "system restore" from a command prompt......assuming the update/install did not wipe out the system restore archives. If the SR archives are intact, it should be able to restore to a point in time just prior to the automatic update. Most people - even many Windows techs - don't know that you can run system restore from a command prompt. I've used it in the past to defeat a virus or malware infection that disabled my anti-virus software. It was much faster than booting to a disc and running the AV update and scan from the disc.

If you get lucky and that works, then promptly convince him to let you install a dual boot so he can test drive Linux and persuade himself - as I did myself - that Windows is no longer worth the trouble.

[GreyGeek]

when / where / how did you GROK "Linux / Ubuntu"?

Firejail is your app!
https://fixmynix.com/sandbox-firefox...with-firejail/

You can run about any app or CLI command with it

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[GreyGeek]

@soundchaser59,
Thanks for the advice. One thing I wasn't sure of is if the recovery disks I made for him 15 months ago when I completed his Win7 setup would work on what is now Win10.

That and setting up his network connection which would require TimeWarner to remotely activate it via their cable modem/wifi which is tied to their business class trunk line. Their wifi is locked and TW won't release the admin name or pswd. All so they can charge the big bucks by forcing him to use business class.

I could replace everything he is doing with Linux and Linux apps, except I'd put TeamViewer as his remote software tool, which his accountant could also use.






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