Dipping my toe into the water

[Qqmike]

MoonRise: It's that kind of behavior that kept me from using many others. That individual is being an arrogant little $&*!! That's what that is!

Reading the rest after that it seems that many there are nothing but....

I have never understood such arrogance or show-off-elitist behaviors. Let's face it: Just about ANY of us here can learn just about any subject at any level as well as just about anyone else on this planet IF we want to and if we decide to apply ourselves. These elitists are not superhuman gods, having abilities that everyone else lacks: we are all humans built about the same way (brain cells, etc.). When I meet people like that (a**holes), I think two things: (1) Maybe they need a good case of some serious but survivable disease to humble them; cancer usually works to do that for most humans, a good school in developing human humility and respect for self and others. And/or I think (2) The a**hole needs to sign up for a good, competitive graduate school program at a good university (any Big Ten university or better will do). That's when you discover that while you may be smart, there are people--other students and faculty--who can run circles around you several times before you even know what happened. You think you're hot sh*? You are not even cold diarrhea, as one old saying goes.

[GreyGeek]

Hey, Sowhog, I saw your pic on your Arch forum post! Nice to join a name to a face! Is it just me or do you bare striking resemblance to Darwin in pictures taken late in his life?

I sensed the attitude you ran into on the Arch forum; people carrying their Linux nads around in wheelbarrows for all to admire and praise, and decided not to ask questions. A couple of the responses were purely insulting.

I'm asking you to think through the message instead of asking for someone to do the thinking for you. It's all pretty clear. If you have a specific question, we can point you in the right direction.

The data you supplied and the specific question you asked were very clear.

That responder might as well have told you that "you are too stupid to run Arch, get lost!". The atmosphere there is the exact opposite of what is encouraged here. To each his/her own.

[Qqmike]

Hey, Sowhog, I saw your pic on your Arch forum post! Nice to join a name to a face! Is it just me or do you bare striking resemblance to Darwin in pictures taken late in his life?

That's the same pic Snowhog had posted in his profile here at Kubuntu, unless he removed it lately.

I read that exchange at Arch. The place wouldn't be for me. In an analogous vein, it reminded me of a doctor I had at one time and described to a friend as having the bedside manner of a spark plug! Maybe some of those guys at Arch are the grad students who flunked out of grad school and now are over-compensating! (See my post #32 above on that.)

[sithlord48]

i have not ventured onto their forums yet and that type of responce is exactly why kfn is the best forum.

[GreyGeek]

I have never understood such arrogance or show-off-elitist behaviors. Let's face it: ... The a**hole needs to sign up for a good, competitive graduate school program at a good university (any Big Ten university or better will do). That's when you discover that while you may be smart, there are people--other students and faculty--who can run circles around you several times before you even know what happened. You think you're hot sh*? You are not even cold diarrhea, as one old saying goes.

Exactly! My grad school GPA was 3.58 and that was with the need to work 20 hours a week to support my family. There were three or four in my grad class who were an order of magnitude or higher above my abilities. For example, one of my friends in an engineering physics class was setting on the steps of the science building learning to play a Ukalali when I approached. I was heading to class to take a major exam, about 45 minutes early, to study some more, and asked if he was ready for the exam. "Exam? Over what?" I explained. He asked if he could borrow my text book. I gave it to him. He started flipping through the material and I went to the classroom thinking "good luck passing this test".
I got a 94. He got a 98. Dr Charles Ivey later became head of the physics dept at ACU. That was when I realized that some folks have better neurons than others, and that unless squandered natural talent beats hard work every time. During the last forty years I've trained a LOT of people how to program. To a few it is like breathing. To most it comes with lots of hard work and practice. And, people can be talented in one area and normal in others. It is the extremely rare individual who is talented (gifted?) in everything he or she does. I've also noticed that people with natural gifts in an area often don't realize that and wonder why others can't pick up things as easily as they do.

[Snowhog]

It is the extremely rare individual who is talented (gifted?) in everything he or she does.

I've known two such people in my life: my father and a co-worker in the Alaska Army National Guard (Warrant Officer).

[GreyGeek]

Three. Dr Ivey (UT), Dr Cotton Hance (MIT) and Dr Paul Shultz (?). From what I've read Bill Gates was a wonderkind in assembly programming, unless his staff was letting him win their programming contests. Then there is the highschool student who won the Westinghouse Science Competition with biochemical research at a level and similar to that which I did in grad school to earn my MS in Biochemistry.

[life0riley]

I'm asking you to think through the message instead of asking for someone to do the thinking for you. It's all pretty clear. If you have a specific question, we can point you in the right direction.

It is this type of response that made me hesitate joining a forum initially. I'm glad I chose Kubuntu Forums to cut my teeth on.

[woodsmoke]

Lol
as to the comments about "smart" people.

You should WORK with those people who think they are smarter than thous! lol

My absolute, very smartest, smartest of the smart student in high school, national rankings in national "club" tests such as what used to be FBLA, etc.etc. Top SAT scores, etc. you name it...Went to the land grant research university in ..........Business Admininstration with emphasis on computers because.............he was working for the fifth banking software company in the U.S. WHEN HE WAS A TEENAGER!! ... and now is the senior vp of the same company which is the second largest "banking software " company in the U.S., maybe the world... dunno

But, to cut to the chase....

When he was "away at university" he looked out of his top floor room where he was a "dorm supervisor" and noticed that a tire on his.......

ok........wait for it..............

brand new brown.............brown..........Lincoln Continental.... was flat....

and called his dad to call a repair truck because he couldn't change a flat.

He now drives one year white, one year brown, one year white, one year brown, a new Mustang each year.

Lives in a very nice place,

and in his mid fourties and..... has had one girlfriend..........for about six months.

just sayin

woodsmoke

[MoonRise]

That responder might as well have told you that "you are too stupid to run Arch, get lost!".

Actually I thought the moderator did just that.

[DoYouKubuntu]

I'm not moving away from Kubuntu. As long as it is supported, I'll be using it. But it is 'sound practice' to not keep ones eggs in just one basket. Knowing how to use (install and maintain) other Linux distributions ensures your flexability and increases your options, if and when you need to exercise them.

Yeah, well, SOME of us never even bother upgrading versions, and we're still cranking away just fine! (Seriously, I have a desktop running...I think...7.04? maybe 7.10? I never actually use it in a physical "sit at its keyboard and use it" way, only to access files over the network. Then there's another desktop running, I think, 9.04--and same as above, I only access its files over the network, plus my printer is connected to it and I print from the other computers on the network.)

Anyway, to get back on topic... It's interesting seeing input on other distros, so I'll be watching this thread.

[Snowhog]

I gave up on my attempt to get a fully functioning Arch Linux with KDE Plasma in the VM. The Toshiba laptop is rather old, and I have the HP laptop which is newer and faster (and still has Kubuntu installed), so I decided to go ahead and do a full install of Arch Linux on the Toshiba.

I had to do some digging through the Arch Wiki's to find the information on how to get a wireless network connection going, but I did. Because we don't have ethernet connections in the house, I had to get wireless working in Arch to be able to install the system. That said, Arch Linux is now installed on the Toshiba, and I can reboot and login and still have a working wireless network connection. I'm happy.

I haven't installed KDE Plasma or KDE Applications yet; waiting on some assistance from Steve. Given the problems I experienced in the VM, I'm going to wait for his input so that hopefully, I get it done right the first time.

[NickStone]

I gave up on my attempt to get a fully functioning Arch Linux with KDE Plasma in the VM. The Toshiba laptop is rather old, and I have the HP laptop which is newer and faster (and still has Kubuntu installed), so I decided to go ahead and do a full install of Arch Linux on the Toshiba.

I had to do some digging through the Arch Wiki's to find the information on how to get a wireless network connection going, but I did. Because we don't have ethernet connections in the house, I had to get wireless working in Arch to be able to install the system. That said, Arch Linux is now installed on the Toshiba, and I can reboot and login and still have a working wireless network connection. I'm happy.

I haven't installed KDE Plasma or KDE Applications yet; waiting on some assistance from Steve. Given the problems I experienced in the VM, I'm going to wait for his input so that hopefully, I get it done right the first time.

Doesn't this help you? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KDE#Installation

[sithlord48]

@snowhog.

heres what i do for arch plasma5

1. basicly follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide
Except instead of setting a root password i install sudo and set up my user to be a sudoer
reboot to the initial CLI make sure your basic system is bootin etc..

After that install the kde with:

pacman -S plasma-meta sddm xorg-server

then i enable sddm

systemctl enable sddm

after that you should reboot to sddm and be able to log in .
(you may also want to install and enable network manager depending on your network needs)

there are a few things you need to do post install if you don't have root account like me or want gui sudo you need to install kdesu (not kdesudo) since arch uses su by default.

pacman -S kdesu

now fix it to use sudo if you don't have a root account or want to use your user password instead of root's

kwriteconfig5 --file kdesurc --group super-user-command --key super-user-command sudo

after that you should have a working Plasma5 desktop. This won't install all of the kde stuff but enough for plasma to work

[Snowhog]

Thank you sithlord48.

I followed the Beginners guide (and links to others from within it). I already have a working X Window System, and a root and sudo enabled user account. Just need to install a working KDE Plasma.

So what package/meta-package should I install to get the guts of KDE? I already know that plasma-meta doesn't give you a whole lot; in fact, with it alone, you don't have the ability to logout/reboot from the DE.