Will you install Windows 10?

[GreyGeek]

Was my last Windows OS. I deleted it and gave my entire HD to Kubuntu with Btrfs some time ago.

[GreyGeek]

Unfortunately I'm starting to see more websites that only work with IE. I thought that was changing with the popularity of Firefox and Chrome.

I haven't seen that recently and my primary browser is Chromium. When I have encountered it I copied the source HTML to my HD and edited out all the gratuitous Windows dll calls sprinkled liberally throughout. Then the page displayed just fine from my HD. It's classic MS incompatibility in order to force noob Windows users to IE.

[life0riley]

Websites that only work with IE? Never come across that before. Any examples?

I haven't seen that recently and my primary browser is Chromium. When I have encountered it I copied the source HTML to my HD and edited out all the gratuitous Windows dll calls sprinkled liberally throughout. Then the page displayed just fine from my HD. It's classic MS incompatibility in order to force noob Windows users to IE.

I looked and was hard pressed to find any websites that only works with Internet Explorer at this time. I checked websites that previously gave me an issue. It turns out I can access them with Firefox again. I don't use Chrome so I can't speak to that.

Originally I started noticing the issue sometime around the end of last year and the beginning of this year I had trouble accessing my back accounts, work HR website, and Health Care Spending Account. I couldn't get past certain menus and pages with Firefox, and some buttons just didn't work. It turned out my bank was doing maintenance on their website. My company has since done maintenance on their website, and they have switched the company that manages the Heatlh Care Spending Account. I tried all with Firefox again, the issue appears to be resolved now.

My bank blocks any browser except Internet Explorer, Firefox, or Chrome. They have a published statement listing supported browsers and operating systems. Linux is not listed with the supported operating systems. They list Windows 7 and higher and MAC OS 10.X or higher as the only operating systems supported. This is BS because I have no issue accessing from Linux with Firefox.

[MoonRise]

Actually we have internal software (purchased, not in house made) that was designed to only work with IE8 and it happens to work on IE9 thankfully. So there are items out there that do unfortunately. Said software even removed FireFox and Chrome capabilities in one of the updates so further tying us to IE9. Don't know about their newest whole number version release, but from what I read in release notes, only IE is supported. Shameful in my opinion.

[SecretCode]

My bank blocks any browser except Internet Explorer, Firefox, or Chrome. They have a published statement listing supported browsers and operating systems. Linux is not listed with the supported operating systems. They list Windows 7 and higher and MAC OS 10.X or higher as the only operating systems supported. This is BS because I have no issue accessing from Linux with Firefox.

In these cases I think it's not so much a case of "we've found it doesn't work with Linux | Safari | etc" but more "we can't be bothered to test changes to our site on more than 3 browsers or more than 2 OSes so we won't support it".

[life0riley]

My bank specifically blocks unsupported browsers. I get a message that says "For Online Access You Must Use a Supported Browser" if I attempt to log in with anything other than Internet Explorer, Firefox, or Chrome.

[life0riley]

In these cases I think it's not so much a case of "we've found it doesn't work with Linux | Safari | etc" but more "we can't be bothered to test changes to our site on more than 3 browsers or more than 2 OSes so we won't support it".

Right. There aren't enough members making noise about this for them to consider it a significant issue.

[woodsmoke]

ummm.........uhhh.............thinking.......... rearranging ... my stamp collection.......all three stamps........

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no.

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[StarWolf]

i had tired it came as free upgrade to new pc (slowed system down to dial up speeds) reverted back to win 8 . however kubuntu still best option

[Qqmike]

You read articles like this and wonder:

(1) is MS stupid?
(2) is MS incompetent?
(3) is MS dishonest?
(4) is MS [manipulative, scamming, what]?
All the above? Not likely. But after all these years in business, they keep doing this sort of thing. And angering everyone.

But what is it with this company? Nowadays, any big company can hire excellent technical writers and copywriters to write copy for them. Why can't they write simply, clearly, in terms most living humans can read and understand? Isn't this frustrating? I'm not a Windows user, but we do maintain a laptop here using 8.1, to be upgraded to X at some point. The Windows update service is extremely confusing. The average user doesn't and won't have a clue what all this is about or how best to navigate through it.

http://www.howtogeek.com/241329/upgr...Speed=noscript

[dibl]

I've been running Win 10 for over six months .... ON A VM! I hope never to actually install any Microsoft OS again, on real hardware. But I do enjoy picking up occasional beer money from friends and acquaintances with broken Windows systems, so I'm not actually against it.

[Cecil]

You read articles like this and wonder:

(1) is MS stupid?
(2) is MS incompetent?
(3) is MS dishonest?
(4) is MS [manipulative, scamming, what]?
All the above? Not likely. But after all these years in business, they keep doing this sort of thing. And angering everyone.

But what is it with this company? Nowadays, any big company can hire excellent technical writers and copywriters to write copy for them. Why can't they write simply, clearly, in terms most living humans can read and understand? Isn't this frustrating? I'm not a Windows user, but we do maintain a laptop here using 8.1, to be upgraded to X at some point. The Windows update service is extremely confusing. The average user doesn't and won't have a clue what all this is about or how best to navigate through it.

http://www.howtogeek.com/241329/upgr...Speed=noscript

This kind of crap concerning Windows 10 is why I purged it from my system and decided it was time to switch to Linux for good. I used to be "meh" about Windows' telemetry, but I kept reading about all sort of extra telemetry on Windows 10, and that it's impossible to completely disallow it, only set it to a basic level that sends minimal data. I don't mind that Microsoft wants telemetry to improve Windows, but I want complete control over what I send them, even to the point of completely shutting telemetry down if I so choose. Then I watched a video that demonstrated that bing.com completely ignored the hosts file in Windows 10, and started to wonder what else ignored it, given that Spybot released a tool that uses the hosts file to block telemetry (I was using said tool). Is all this tin-foil hat stuff on my part? Maybe, but I'm not so much irked that Microsoft wants data, but that I don't have complete control over what data is sent to them. Combined with how aggressively they're pushing Windows 10, and at this point, it'll be a cold day in he** before I install Windows outside a VM.

[Cecil]

Someone checked out on this 'telemetry' and wrote an article about it.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02..._10_telemetry/

I'm in no position to assert this is the full truth but it's the best I've come across.
Source:
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...mt577208.aspx.

I don't run Win10 but as I do read some of this stuff has been backported to Win7 etc. I've installed:
https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/

Yeah, I've read all of that as well. Like I said, I don't mind that Microsoft needs data to fix bugs in Windows, it's just that they're being far too aggressive in trying to get Windows 7 and 8 users to upgrade to Windows 10 (to the point that it's far too easy to unintentionally install Windows 10), and the fact that telemetry is set to "Full" by default, a setting that most users won't know about, much less how to adjust, that it makes me suspicious of their motives despite what they claim.

[Qqmike]

Enhanced marketing aggression ...

IT Admins Angered By New Windows 10 Upgrade Push
http://www.windows10update.com/2016/...-upgrade-push/
and the link there to more aggression ...
Has Microsoft Snuck A Windows 10 Ad In An Internet Explorer Patch?
http://www.windows10update.com/2016/...xplorer-patch/

If this weren't actually happening, it would be hard to believe.

[Cecil]

Enhanced marketing aggression ...

IT Admins Angered By New Windows 10 Upgrade Push
http://www.windows10update.com/2016/...-upgrade-push/
and the link there to more aggression ...
Has Microsoft Snuck A Windows 10 Ad In An Internet Explorer Patch?
http://www.windows10update.com/2016/...xplorer-patch/

If this weren't actually happening, it would be hard to believe.

Yeah, I'm enjoying my decision to abandon Windows more and more. The ad is expected, but now pushing admins to compromise their job by telling end-users to bug them about it? If a company is going to upgrade to Windows 10, they likely have a timeframe, and don't need Microsoft to harass them. If they're not upgrading, same deal, they don't need Microsoft harassing them