Tablets--preferences?

[Feathers McGraw]

pretty easy.

it's pretty intuitive... what i believe is that when they make an apple product they really spend time and think about every single fuction and how to make it improve it, with andriod i found its all just dumped together with a bunch of unnecessary options.

i can only understand why people dislike apple because of rip off pricing, but in all other aspects ipad set a banchmark for all other tablets to match.

and to all apple haters, i do hope youve actually owned an apple device not just spreading schoolyard trash talk

I think you'll find a lot of that is just what you're used to - I had to set up an iPad for my girlfriend's elderly relative and it took me absolutely ages because nothing was where I expected it to be. It's really difficult to be objective about which is "most intuitive".

The single biggest reason I would never buy an iThing is that it restricts your software freedom. Obviously the OS is mostly non-free, but that's not even the biggest thing. Due to the additional T&Cs placed on software in the app store, in addition to those in the actual licence, you can't even get GPL software from there. If you're lucky enough to be the developer, or if you can persuade the developer to re-licence the app, then you can work around it... but are you really OK with apple dictating your choice of app licence and interfering with open source projects?

Regardless of whether you like the practical arguments ("open source") or ethical arguments ("free software"), if you choose apple you're worse off than what you're used to with Linux.

[Feathers McGraw]

i've never owned a mac till recently, and itunes on a mac is sooo smooth, clearly it was never designed with windows in mind.

Wasn't Jobs' plan to make it Mac only? I think the board forced him to change his mind on that one.

[millusions]

I think you'll find a lot of that is just what you're used to - I had to set up an iPad for my girlfriend's elderly relative and it took me absolutely ages because nothing was where I expected it to be. It's really difficult to be objective about which is "most intuitive".

The single biggest reason I would never buy an iThing is that it restricts your software freedom. Obviously the OS is mostly non-free, but that's not even the biggest thing. Due to the additional T&Cs placed on software in the app store, in addition to those in three actual licence, you can't even get GPL software from there. If you're lucky enough to be able to be the developer, or if you can persuade the developer to re-licence the app, then you can work around it... but are you really OK with apple dictating your choice of app licence and interfering with open source projects?

Regardless of whether you like the practical arguments ("open source") or ethical arguments ("free software"), if you choose apple you're worse off than what you're used to with Linux.

Can i just ask, when you said you setup an iPad for a relative, what exactly did you do? not that this would be a definition of intuitive, but i really want to know what is it that you had to setup?

my son wanted an Android phone, i listened to the young salesman give me the same arguments you just did,
then i asked, how do i benefit from this Open Source OS/software?
well, mumble mumble mumble. 700$ later, and he's happy with it. whatever.



furthermore, the Os restrictions of apple products is nothing new or unique,

and please join the line on the left = apple haters who have never owned an apple product.

[millusions]

torture test: worth seeing..h


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhNXPbWFpIU


ipad wins toughest gagdet of them all lol

[millusions]

seriously, all the tablets out there,
first they wanted to mach ipad's retina display, they did
then they wanted to match ipad's battery life , FINALLY THERE!,

just like the ipod..
except with ipod nobody came even close in producing an easy to use quality product... think microsoft Zune lol.. fail

now that we have achieved that goal lets turn around and dump **** on ipad .

because we are Open Source, and they are not lol

the catchup game will continue , and apple will continue to set benchmarks for people without a clue nor imagination


anyway, usubscribing from this thread, you get whatever tablet you like.

i did the android thing and it simply sucked to charge the tablet almost daily for some light use. i love my ipad, my iphone and my macbook so it pissess me off when people bag Mac products but have never actually owned one, at the end of the day its your loss.


peace

[oshunluvr]

IMO, the issues with Apple aren't the quality of the products or even the price:

1. Apple wants you to buy into their whole infrastructure (iTunes) or nothing totally works as advertised.
2. Apple is uses proprietary hardware (look at their chargers) and closed source software and locks everything down. It's Job's way or the highway - he was famous for that.
3. Apple uses slave labor, keeps their money off shore to avoid taxes, and doesn't contribute to the economies (through jobs or taxes) they most benefit from. Apple Inc. is a leach.

If you drink the Apple Koolaid and buy into their philosophy, fine - be a clone (aka "AppleTard"). It's your loss.

AppleTards spend all that extra money so they don't have to think or imagine a different way to do something.

p.s. Oh did you hear? The new iPhone has a big screen! Just like the one Samsung introduced in 2009! Yeah, they're such innovators.

[Feathers McGraw]

Can i just ask, when you said you setup an iPad for a relative, what exactly did you do? not that this would be a definition of intuitive, but i really want to know what is it that you had to setup?

Basic things like create an apple account, log in to the app store, download and configure a few apps, set up email. These things took me quite a long time because menus and settings were not where I expected them to be.

You'll notice I didn't say that apple products were unintuitive, only that it's a difficult thing to be objective about. As an Android user, I found the "global layout" to be not at all obvious. If you're used to using Apple products then obviously it will be easy, same on Android devices. You're not born knowing how to use either, it's something you learn, and suggesting otherwise is dishonest.

my son wanted an Android phone, i listened to the young salesman give me the same arguments you just did,
then i asked, how do i benefit from this Open Source OS/software?
well, mumble mumble mumble. 700$ later, and he's happy with it. whatever.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. A salesman couldn't form a decent argument, so there couldn't possibly be one? Surely you know the arguments by now? Why do you use Linux if not because of the benefits of free, open source software?

furthermore, the Os restrictions of apple products is nothing new or unique,

Which of course is a great reason to dismiss any criticism of restricted operating systems...

Some people don't care about these things, and they use Apple products and are happy with them. Other people do care about the restrictions, and as a result choose not to use apple products. This is nothing new or unique.

and please join the line on the left = apple haters who have never owned an apple product.

That is, of course, a ridiculous strawman. I have owned apple products, but would not buy one now for the reasons I have given in this thread.

I had an iPod classic and an iPod touch, and was often frustrated by the DRM that was such a key part of Apple's business model at the time, as well as Apple's deliberate attempts to prevent users from syncing with third party software. This was years and years before my "linux conversion", but it left a lasting impression.

the catchup game will continue , and apple will continue to set benchmarks for people without a clue nor imagination

Hmm... how about Apple's complete failure to release a decent smartwatch... just about everyone else had a crack at it before them and some of the products have been excellent (like the Pebble). Now that apple have announced the product (but still not released it - coming 2015) it looks like their sole "innovation" has been to make a gold version. ARE YOU SERIOUS APPLE?!

Notice that the apple watches will require charging pretty much every day, but my original KickStarter edition pebble's battery easily lasts a week+ of normal use. Pebble stuck to doing the basics really well: remote notifications on your wrist, great battery life, waterproof, a screen you can see clearly in bright sunlight. As a result they created a product that is still very useful and competitive two years after its original shipping date.

Apple have gone first and foremost for appearance (slim and shiny screen = poor battery life), and as a result there will be lots of Apple fans walking around with a dead weight on their wrists in 2015.

i love my ipad, my iphone and my macbook so it pissess me off when people bag Mac products but have never actually owned one, at the end of the day its your loss.

Are my arguments against Apple products ones that require me to have owned those devices? No. I think I've been quite fair about things on the user experience side. You, on the other hand, have ignored my arguments in favour of spewing a load of off topic rubbish and then...

anyway, usubscribing from this thread, you get whatever tablet you like.

... thrown your toys out of the pram and left. Nice.

[oshunluvr]

Excellent and precise retort, Feathers, I doff my hat to you sir.

[Feathers McGraw]

Excellent and precise retort, Feathers, I doff my hat to you sir.

Thanks I doff my... um... rubber glove to you, friend.

[Qqmike]

Yeah, good job, noticing this thread, too. If m is so emotional over a pack of integrated circuits, how would he do in one of our political/social/religious exchanges?! (You there Woody ... ?)

[oshunluvr]

Rofl

[Snowhog]

I run two laptops with Linux. At work I use Windows Vista Enterprise. I had a Blackberry smartphone. I own an Apple iPad Air and an iPhone 5s. I am not an OS xenaphobe, espousing only one and abhoring all others. I use and purchase what "I" want for "my own" reasons. I do not feel I am "right" and others are "wrong".

Get over this people. To each their own. Nothing more; nothing less.

[SteveRiley]

except with ipod nobody came even close in producing an easy to use quality product... think microsoft Zune lol.. fail

So, um, I owned a Zune HD. I was still working for Microsoft then, and the price at the employee store was a steal. The Zune UI was vastly superior to anything I've seen an any music player before or since, and the device itself was very rugged. Zune failed not becsue of this but for the same reasons that Windows Phone continues to fail: a lack of understanding how to correctly market the device and find prospective buyers.

[bonkers]

I used to like apple ipad tablets till I realized they become deprecated ie: the apps (can't keep updating them as they become next gen only very fast) But I have no idea what other tablet would be a good choice.

[Qqmike]

Mu current thinking is,

Nexus 9 review ... Techradar did produce a final review, and it is much improved with details and worth reading, including comparison to competition. I suspect this review, on balance, will be fairly typical of what one will read elsewhere.

Nexus 9 review
Google drops the low price to enter the high-end tablet market
http://www.techradar.com/us....Content

Considering especially price (high), then on-board storage (low), lack of expandability and RAM constraints (in addition to other negatives), I suspect the Nexus 9 isn't going to fly as high as Google had expected it to.

Again the iPad Air 2 and Samsung's Tab S come out smelling very good, the iPad Air 2 setting the standards for the most part. Google's Material Design in its Lollipop OS looks good and promising (at some point, other Android systems will get the Lollipop upgrade).

Android 5.0 Lollipop
http://www.techradar.com/reviews....w

Material Design
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_design

Samsung Tab S looking pretty good, but not low-end ($400++).