Brendan Eich Javascript creator to Mozilla foundation

[Qqmike]

After all is said and done, is it done for Eich? That will be the question. Imagine having all this negative press and a ton of people who think you're a bigoted a**h***. Will he be cyber-stalked by his detractors who would love to catch him again in a pickle? Whatever, I'm sure he will be more careful in the future.

[Goeroeboeroe]

Two quotes from that conduct:
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"Keeping the Personal Personal

No team is an extension of its leader's personality and leaders' personal feelings and desires will diverge from the interest of their teams. When acting in their capacity of leaders, leaders should not ignore their own beliefs, feelings, and principles but must hold the interests of their team and the Mozilla community above their own convictions. Leaders make difficult choices but are careful to act in the best interests of their communities. They work with established processes in the community and delegate decisions to others who can."
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"Standards for behaviour in the Mozilla community are detailed in the Code of Conduct and Leadership Code of Conduct. We expect participants in our community to meet these standards in all their interactions and to help others to do so as well.

Whenever any participant has made a mistake, we expect them to take responsibility for it. If someone has been harmed or offended, it is our responsibility to listen carefully and respectfully, and do our best to right the wrong.

Although this list cannot be exhaustive, we explicitly honour diversity in age, culture, ethnicity, genotype, gender identity or expression, language, national origin, neurotype, phenotype, political beliefs, profession, race, religion, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, subculture and technical ability."
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In my opinion that's pretty clear. In a world where more and more countries start to block sites, among them sites about gay rights etc., in my opinion you can't have a CEO that doesn't have a clear stand about this kind of things.

[whatthefunk]

"Keeping the Personal Personal

No team is an extension of its leader's personality and leaders' personal feelings and desires will diverge from the interest of their teams. When acting in their capacity of leaders, leaders should not ignore their own beliefs, feelings, and principles but must hold the interests of their team and the Mozilla community above their own convictions. Leaders make difficult choices but are careful to act in the best interests of their communities. They work with established processes in the community and delegate decisions to others who can."

He donated 6 years before becoming CEO. I did some bad things in high school....does that mean that I cant have any leadership role now?

"Standards for behaviour in the Mozilla community are detailed in the Code of Conduct and Leadership Code of Conduct. We expect participants in our community to meet these standards in all their interactions and to help others to do so as well.

Whenever any participant has made a mistake, we expect them to take responsibility for it. If someone has been harmed or offended, it is our responsibility to listen carefully and respectfully, and do our best to right the wrong.

Although this list cannot be exhaustive, we explicitly honour diversity in age, culture, ethnicity, genotype, gender identity or expression, language, national origin, neurotype, phenotype, political beliefs, profession, race, religion, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, subculture and technical ability."

Just because he donated money to prevent gay people from marrying doesnt mean that he dislikes gay people. Maybe he simply thinks marriage should be between a man and woman only. It is very possible to bear no ill will toward gay people but also want to protect traditional marriage. Notice how "political belief" is also in the list of things that they honor.

[Goeroeboeroe]

You've no idea of the kind of stupid things I did on high school... But Eich was a bit older, not exactly the age of a high school kid (born 1961).
But I even did some stupid things when I was older. Even nowadays sometimes, I'm afraid. But that's not the point, for me. He didn't say he changed his mind, or anything in that direction.
I want somebody as CEO of Mozilla that I can trust to really defend the openness of Internet on ALL subjects for ALL people. I know on the far left there are some people that want to forbid anti gay sites. I'm against that too. With maybe the exception of sites that really spread hate or violence, I want Internet to stay open.
Since more and more governments are moving the opposite direction, it's important companies like Mozilla keep fighting for an open Internet. If Eich is so much opposed against gay marriage to donate 1000 dollar, he's just not the right man on the right place. I've nothing against Eich, I hope he finds a nice job. But not as CEO of a company as Mozilla. (And I really hope he is not hunted by idiots who keep threatening him etc.)
Here's an recent interview. He doesn't want to say what's his opinion now. Since there was such a lot of rumor, I guess that means he didn't change his mind, otherwise he probably had said that. http://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-ceo...fox-cause-q-a/
I really respect Eich's opinions. But there's coming more and more censorship, also of gay/lesbian sites. How can you expect a man that has problems with gay marriage to stand up against such censorship? As a CEO of Mozilla it's very well possible he had come into that kind of decisions. Google, Bing, ... run into that kind of things around censorship all the time. Of course Mozilla is not a search engine, but it's very well possible a browser can run into the same kind of problems. (Governments asking blocking certain extensions, making use of tor impossible, etc.)
In my opinion the people that put Eich on that position are even more to blame. Eich did something he probably believed was right, but didn't the people who gave him that position think about this?

[life0riley]

He donated 6 years before becoming CEO. I did some bad things in high school....does that mean that I cant have any leadership role now?



Just because he donated money to prevent gay people from marrying doesnt mean that he dislikes gay people. Maybe he simply thinks marriage should be between a man and woman only. It is very possible to bear no ill will toward gay people but also want to protect traditional marriage. Notice how "political belief" is also in the list of things that they honor.

I agree with you 100%. This shouldn't prevent you from having any leadership role now or in the future.

Here are the real reasons I don't have a Facebook, Twitter account, and anything similar. My employer hires people to troll Facebook, Twitter, or any similar accounts to look for to look for things that could harm their reputation publicly. When I applied I had to submit to an extensive background check which included drug testing, criminal background investigation, and credit check. In addition to this I had to sign that I understand that my employment can be terminated if I am arrested and/or convicted (misdemeanors included not just felonies). This includes domestic violence and assault, so no "road rage" for me. Police arrest records are searched on a regular basis. Where I live your name, face, place of employment are made public when you are arrested. This is before the trial (you could have been falsely accused). By the time you are cleared it is too late. Your career is over. I have to fill out a conflict of interest form yearly and list all relatives who work for my employer or my employer's competitors. Their policies are stated loose enough that someone could interpret that my knowledge as their intellectual property if it resembles systems and processes they use. Technology is a good thing, but I think we have gone too far. There are times I think that my job truly owns me. I also have to fill out yearly questionnaires that ask about my mode of transportation to work and if I received my flu shot. I don't have anything to hide. It is just simpler for me to maintain privacy.

[smeghead]

Okay, Chromium in. firefox uninstalled.

[whatthefunk]

Okay, Chromium in. firefox uninstalled.

Thats extremely drastic, especially since he has stepped down as CEO last week.

[Qqmike]

Yes, way too drastic. In fact, Firefox asks its supporters to continue to support its principles by installing. As does MoveOn.org. So consider installing it again!

[smeghead]

Thats extremely drastic, especially since he has stepped down as CEO last week.

Voting with my feet. I was introduced to open source through firefox. I've been using Kubuntu since 7.04 If they want to tell their employees what to think, and by extention me, I don't want to be a part of it.

[smeghead]

Yes, way too drastic. In fact, Firefox asks its supporters to continue to support its principles by installing. As does MoveOn.org. So consider installing it again!

It's principle to punish anyone who commits a thoughtcrime of not agreeing with the group think?
Does "tolerance" now mean blacklists, and "diversity" means conformity? Why should I support that?
No, Mozilla has annoyed it's base and despite the pleas of those who think they know better than us, it is going the way of the dinosaur that is its mascot...

Smeghead

[whatthefunk]

It's principle to punish anyone who commits a thoughtcrime of not agreeing with the group think?
Does "tolerance" now mean blacklists, and "diversity" means conformity? Why should I support that?
No, Mozilla has annoyed it's base and despite the pleas of those who think they know better than us, it is going the way of the dinosaur that is its mascot...

Smeghead

In the end, Mozilla is a company that needs to do what is best for the company. They promoted him to CEO thinking that his views about gay marriage would not be an issue. Society thought otherwise and Mozilla acted to preserve itself and its company image. I dont blame Mozilla in this incident.

[jlittle]

It's principle to punish anyone who commits a thoughtcrime of not agreeing with the group think?
Does "tolerance" now mean blacklists, and "diversity" means conformity? Why should I support that?

I agree with your criticism of the blatant McCarthyism, but *in this case* because the intolerant called for a boycott, by boycotting I suggest you are supporting them.

Regards, John Little

[smeghead]

If you want to see what society thinks, view this

jlittle, you are attacking those who want freedom of thought and action by calling them intolerant. Most of the people uninstalling FF are not monsters who hate homosexuality as you imagine. They are people who do not want to be told what to think. Because once we are there, it's not far until we are told what to do by the end of a gun.

[jlittle]

jlittle, you are attacking those who want freedom of thought and action by calling them intolerant.

I was woefully unclear, then. By "intolerant" I was referring to the lobby that called the original boycott, the militant gay "rights" people.

Most of the people uninstalling FF are not monsters who hate homosexuality as you imagine.

I certainly don't imagine so. I support strongly LBGT people who want to commit to each other and society should encourage this formally, but I am appalled by the hounding of someone's beliefs, particularly as there's a strong religious context.

They are people who do not want to be told what to think. Because once we are there, it's not far until we are told what to do by the end of a gun.

So what message does boycotting Mozilla now send? That it's lose-lose to get into any of this. I fear you are making future witch hunts, and limitations of liberty, *more* likely.

Regards, John Little

[SteveRiley]

Time to go see if chrome is in the repository...

Chrome is not in the repository, because it isn't open source. For that you'll need to install Chromium instead.

Edit: which I see you've done, as reported in a later post.