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    Google vs. email marketers

    Yes, boyz and girlz, you read that right: Google vs. email marketers. Seems perplexing, right? Perhaps not. The vast majority of Google's income derives from selling advertising. They even peek into your emails to generate display ads. Now, Google is going further: they're replacing links to third-party images in email with links to Google-cached versions of those same images. Read all about it:

    Ars Technica: Gmail blows up e-mail marketing by caching all images on Google servers

    A move that enhances your privacy with respect to all other advertisers continues to erode your privacy with respect to Google. Furthermore, as the largest free email provider, Google measurably reduced the value of email to all other advertisers.

    Is this:
    • A good thing overall, because privacy is improved
    • A bad thing, an abuse of power that reeks of anti-competitive behavior
    • Something else

    Discuss!

    #2
    It is the benevolent dictator issue in my view. As long as the dictator is benevelont everything is hunk-dory. A bad dictator wreaks havoc, and a benevolent dictator can become bad.
    So not a positive step as I see see it.
    Linux because it works. No social or political motives in my decision to use it.
    Always consider Occam's Razor
    Rich

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      #3
      Won't this break GPG email signing?

      If Google has replaced the image, then the contents of the email has changed. Imagine someone composes an email in Thunderbird, signs it and sends it using gmail... Google then does a switcheroo with the image. If the receiver tries to verify the email, it should fail.

      So, in this respect it's bad for privacy, because you wouldn't be able to tell if Google tampered with it or some other party.
      samhobbs.co.uk

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        #4
        I sign all of my emails with my 2048 byte key, which I rarely create using gmail's composer. When I want to keep something private I encrypt the document and add it as an attachment. Good luck breaking into those. (until quantum computers become practical).
        "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
        – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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          #5
          True it's v.difficult to "break" the signature, that's not quite what I meant.

          My point is if you use gmail then it will now always give an error when the recipient tries to verify the email is from you, because the email you sent is not the email they received. They won't know if the only difference is the image or if the entire email is a forgery.
          samhobbs.co.uk

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            #6
            I don't think Google 'replaces' the image, all they need to do is have a non-transparent proxy pick it up for you.
            Contrary what an idiot IT journalist wrote in the biggest Dutch newspaper this has nothing to do with virusses embedded in the pics but all with the tracking done through the download.

            I see no reason to use a 'free' mailservice, especially not a US based one, so it doesn't touch me much except I do send and receive mail from friends on google accounts.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Teunis View Post
              I don't think Google 'replaces' the image, all they need to do is have a non-transparent proxy pick it up for you.
              What do you mean, exactly?

              Perhaps I misunderstood, do the changes only affect reading email with gmail?
              samhobbs.co.uk

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                #8
                Let's unpack the relevant paragraph:

                AliceCorp sends a marketing email to Bob, Carol, and Dave, the three of whom have Gmail accounts. Google reads all the external links in every email, and when a link points to an image, Google downloads the image and stores it in a Gmail image cache. Gmail rewrites the URL in the link in each email to point to the cached version rather than the original external location.

                When Bob opens his email, images now appear automatically, and are served up from Gmail's cache -- because that's what the URL in the mail now points to. Same thing for Carol and Dave. AliceCorp will hate this, because AliceCorp now has no clue that each of Bob, Carol, and Dave read the email; instead, AliceCorp sees only a single request from Google for the image.

                If AliceCorp has signed its email, then yes, as Feathers has wondered, Gmail's modification will invalidate AliceCorp's digital signatures. AliceCorp signed the email when it contained links to images on AliceCorp's web servers. The mail as received by Bob et. al. has been modified in transit; when Bob's email program attempts to verify the signature, the verification will fail.

                Note that this does not affect images embedded in email, whether as attachments, MIME parts, or base64 encoded. It only affects HTML mail that contains URLs pointing to external images.

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                  #9
                  I agree with richb, with the possible benefit that some advertisers might be discouraged by this move (a good thing, IMHO).

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                    #10
                    Hmm, I don't think Google mail has to change the content of your mail, ie. the embedded links.
                    Gmail can at least for the web based mail just intercept them and dynamically reroute.

                    Pop mail is a different matter.

                    I can see some other 'problems', our IT dept. blocks a lot of sites, webmail from them does come in via https but the embedded parts typically run via port 80 and are blocked.
                    Like mail from the Dutch State Lottery, the company blocks them as a 'gambling' site, yet I do get their mail via port 443 but the embedded picture with the score is missing

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                      #11
                      Tenuis wrote:
                      Contrary what an idiot IT journalist wrote in the biggest Dutch newspaper this has nothing to do with virusses embedded in the pics but all with the tracking done through the download.
                      Would you care to expand on that? I have heard the same thing, maybe......what..... 5 years ago.

                      Not the particular article, whatever, but an expansion on the baisic thing:

                      tracking done through the download
                      unless it is the trivial "when you click it it has you" kind of thing.

                      woodjustwonderingsmoke

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                        #12
                        Indeed, would they send it with the pic included all they have is your mail address and that doesn't mean much re. location.
                        Would they put in a link to a (even one pixel) picture and they observe their server they'll end up knowing your IP address.

                        In Germany that doesn't mean much as most providers rotate them every 24 hrs. but in other parts of the world collecting IP addresses together with subjects of mails is marketing material/ business.

                        That's the reason most serious mail clients won't 'just' download such pictures, you are warned and asked if you want to go ahead.

                        An infamous version are the smilies and 'funny' signature icons, they are nothing but trackers.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Teunis View Post
                          Would they put in a link to a (even one pixel) picture and they observe their server they'll end up knowing your IP address.
                          More importantly, the sender will know you've read the email and that the email address is valid. The one-pixel technique is called a "web bug."

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by SteveRiley View Post
                            ...web bug"
                            The ars technica article succumbed to the desire for a sensational headline, IMO (after ploughing through 6 pages of comments, and reading the Washington Post item about it). With the new Gmail approach, web bugs still work, in fact they'll work better. Google does not retrieve and cache all images in mail to Gmail as it receives them, it only does so when the recipient opens the message. The reason I claim web bugs will work better is that Gmail users are having their setting changed to "always display external images", which previously was "ask before displaying external images" by default. Gmail warned me it was doing this, saying something like external images "performed better now", so I promptly reset it. I imagine for most users this will slip past unnoticed.

                            E-mail marketers will lose some info, mainly the IP address and the user agent string, and some of them use the address for approximate geo-location, and now it'll look like you're in Mountain View, CA. They'll only see one open per day, because google cache the images for 24 hours, but client-side cacheing would normally do that anyway.

                            There is a supposed benefit to Gmail users in that the images will be scanned for malware, and something slightly creepy about them changing the message you receive (rather than just messing with the headers); that might seem like a slippery slope.

                            Regards, John Little
                            Regards, John Little

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jlittle View Post
                              the Washington Post item about it). With the new Gmail approach, web bugs still work, in fact they'll work better. Google does not retrieve and cache all images in mail to Gmail as it receives them, it only does so when the recipient opens the message. The reason I claim web bugs will work better is that Gmail users are having their setting changed to "always display external images", which previously was "ask before displaying external images" by default.
                              Thanks for mentioning the Washington Post article. You're right -- it's a better analysis than Ars Technica, which I was relying on previousy. WP says:
                              [Email marketer] MailChimp says, Google's explanation for how they are implementing their image caching system would actually make them "more accurate" when tracking unique open rates, because under the previous system the subscribers who opened emails without displaying images were effectively invisible to marketers. That's because previously, Gmail wouldn't display an image until users clicked a "show images" button. Because its image-caching system reduces the security and privacy risks from third-party images, Google is changing Gmail so that images load automatically when users open an email.
                              Google's own documentation seems to back up MailChimp's interpretation, with a support page stating that "senders may be able to know whether an individual has opened a message with unique image links." Similarly, Google confirmed to the Post that e-mail marketers using images to track open rates might see more representative open rates than they were before because they won't need users to both open and load images.
                              Originally posted by jlittle View Post
                              E-mail marketers will lose some info, mainly the IP address and the user agent string, and some of them use the address for approximate geo-location, and now it'll look like you're in Mountain View, CA.
                              Marketers will also lose access to any third-party cookies stored in your browser, like those from DoubleClick et. al.

                              Originally posted by jlittle View Post
                              something slightly creepy about them changing the message you receive (rather than just messing with the headers); that might seem like a slippery slope.
                              More than slightly, it feels. I'm so glad I ditched Gmail and run my own server now.

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