News at nine: Canonical manages another PR nightmare

[claydoh]

You shouldn't mix the term copyright with trademark, the two are very different things with different purposes and different

So right, I chose words poorly.
I still think it is overblown, and is getting some attention in more mainstream venues, such as ars technica, and feels a bit like link bait where ever I see it.


Damn I hate coming across as a buntu fanboi or apologist. I think I'm just a contrarian.


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[claydoh]

And more fallout
https://pthree.org/2013/11/08/goodbye-ubuntu/

[claydoh]

https://plus.google.com/u/0/11681239...ts/5jdibY5iR9b

lol, blame a new guy

[GreyGeek]

https://plus.google.com/u/0/11681239...ts/5jdibY5iR9b

lol, blame a new guy

I had the same reaction. Just a CYA move.

[whatthefunk]

*yawn* the site used the ubuntu logo in it's title graphic, as well as the term "ubuntu" (perhaps as opposed to a site like omgbuntu, which *almost* uses the full word, but not quite, and no ubuntu logos)

They use the full name.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/

Ubuntu obviously has no problem with OMGUbuntu, probably because it is an overly positive site.

[whatthefunk]

Shuttleworth apologizes: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-...m-398583.shtml

[claydoh]

So I guess I should hang my phone and keyboard up, since I seem to have lost the ability to read and write today :O

Still, yawn though.

I like the huge banner that omg have, one rotates in about the big brother award for the unity lens got, in nice bright red background lol, followed by the 10 best gnome features...


Oh heck I know why I'm yawning! I just realized I've been up for 28 hours hehe.

Not that sleepy yet, though!

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[SteveRiley]

And anyway, Why shouldn't a device that lifts you up a building then lifts you back down again be called a lift?

Both lift and elevator imply only one direction, right? A buddy of mine in Hong Kong once pointed out the the word for elevator is made of the three symbols for up down machine. I like that

Man, the interwebz sure seems to be having that time of the month every day it seems.

Someone should invent Internamprin.

At least the Debian folks are having a laugh

Yeah! I LOL'ed at that.

You see a robber holding an elderly lady at gun point, two drunks going at each other with knives, two thugs beating a lawyer, and an angry lion charging at you.
You do have a gun, but only three bullets. What do you do...

Quickly put on my ringleader's outfit, set up a flaming hoop for the lion, and announce "Ladieeeeeees and geeeeeeeentlemen, we're having a circus! In the north ring, observe as the bearded lady dodges her assailant! Haha! She's always one step ahead of that cad with the water pistol! In the south ring, we have our very own Three Stooges re-enactment! Yuk yuk yuk, good for laughs every time! Aaaaaand in the center ring, our sword-swallowing duo in a duel! Aren't their moves sooo scary? What skill!"

No need to use the gun at all.

lol, blame a new guy

That is astoundingly pathetic. Imagine how this "new guy" must feel, being thrown under the bus like that by SABDFL.

[kubicle]

Both lift and elevator imply only one direction, right? A buddy of mine in Hong Kong once pointed out the the word for elevator is made of the three symbols for up down machine. I like that

I'd call them levitators (has a nice quasi-magical ring to it, even though it's technically even more incorrect...you wouldn't expect to go up or down in a levitator, but at least there is no vector-bias)

Quickly put on my ringleader's outfit, set up a flaming hoop for the lion, and announce "Ladieeeeeees and geeeeeeeentlemen, we're having a circus! In the north ring, observe as the bearded lady dodges her assailant! Haha! She's always one step ahead of that cad with the water pistol! In the south ring, we have our very own Three Stooges re-enactment! Yuk yuk yuk, good for laughs every time! Aaaaaand in the center ring, our sword-swallowing duo in a duel! Aren't their moves sooo scary? What skill!"

No need to use the gun at all.

Nah...you can do that once you're sure the lawyer is out...he is the primary concern.

That is astoundingly pathetic. Imagine how this "new guy" must feel, being thrown under the bus like that by SABDFL.

Agree with you there, being a leader means stepping in front of the "new guy" to take the hailstorm...even if it really is a simple blunder.

Blown out of proportion? Most definitely (but it was still a valid issue and only good things can come from it getting publicity).

[dmeyer]

Also, Debian has a strong KDE effort:

https://wiki.debian.org/KDE

A strong KDE effort? Really? KDE under Debian is like stepping into the past. It's anywhere from a old to down right ancient. Kubuntu is much better in this respect.

[SteveRiley]

SABDFL's mea culpa: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1299

[dibl]

A strong KDE effort? Really? KDE under Debian is like stepping into the past. It's anywhere from a old to down right ancient. Kubuntu is much better in this respect.

Well, not to be argumentative, but that's not necessarily the case:

don@e6500:~$ inxi -v3
System:    Host: e6500 Kernel: 3.12-0.towo-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.2) 
           Desktop: KDE 4.11.3 (Qt 4.8.6) Distro: siduction 13.1.0 Firestarter - kde - (201305211844)

[SteveRiley]

What we have here is a perfect example of where details matter when making claims. The claim under consideration is: "KDE on Debian is strong." OK, but because there exist so many different Debian derivatives, and there exist so many different states of packaging across these derivatives, that the claim by itself is useless. Before making judgments, it's important to get a better understanding of the facts.

• Debian 7.2 stable offers KDE 4.8.4. Several releases behind current, and therefore missing a number of important bug fixes and useful new capabilities.
• Debian 7.2 testing offers KDE 4.10.5. An improvement over stable, but still not current.
• Debian 7.2 unstable offers KDE 4.11.3. This is the current released KDE version.
• Debian experimental, interestingly, is one release behind testing; it offers KDE 4.11.2.
• Debian's KDE packagers appear to have abandoned their separate effort, because http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ is down; last time I checked, they were offering either a late 4.9 or an early 4.10. But perhaps the maintainers have simply decided to do their work inside unstable rather than in a separate repository; http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/ shows regular activity.
• KWheezy, being based on Debian stable, offers 4.8.4.
• Siduction 13.1 is based on Debian unstable as of May 2013, which offers KDE 4.10.3.
• Siduction's KDE next repository offers 4.11.3, the current released version of KDE.

And the above is just a moment in time. We should also understand the velocity at which these various derivatives move; typically, Siduction plus their repositories moves slightly faster than Debian unstable, so if being as close to up-to-date as possible is your goal, then Debian unstable by itself shouldn't be your long-term choice.

The point of all this is that the claim "KDE on Debian is strong" can be argued positively or negatively. A better discourse would be to avoid broad claims and instead consider the specifics. Oh, and yes, I'm fully aware that I'm using the KDE-on-Debian topic as a proxy for why better discourse on all topics is a worthy practice.

[dmeyer]

Well, not to be argumentative, but that's not necessarily the case:

don@e6500:~$ inxi -v3
System:    Host: e6500 Kernel: 3.12-0.towo-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.2) 
           Desktop: KDE 4.11.3 (Qt 4.8.6) Distro: siduction 13.1.0 Firestarter - kde - (201305211844)

Sorry but I should have justified what I said with some specifics. Most Debian users I've met say Stable is good for servers (most definitely not good for desktop when using 2+ year old software) and that you can get away with testing for general desktop usage (1+ year old software which is kind of acceptable.) Most of the people I've met say don't use Unstable or Experimental because things do occasionally break (don't know what Debian users' definitions of break is.) Furthermore, when it comes close to release time then Testing/Unstable/Experimental all fall quite far behind and stay behind for 6 to 12 months. SteveRiley nicely demonstrates by referencing specific package versions.

I'm not saying Debian is a poor distro, in fact it's an exceptional distro but I do not find it, personally, to be a very good KDE distro and I am not a huge fan of it as a general desktop distro. I have used it server side before and loved it but when it comes to most of my server needs then 12.04 just seems easier to use and more than capable of meeting my needs. Still, Ubuntu relies very heavily on Debian for packaging, and it is one of the most important distros out there...

[dibl]

The point of all this is that the claim "KDE on Debian is strong" can be argued positively or negatively. A better discourse would be to avoid broad claims and instead consider the specifics.

100% concur.

Debian stable offers old, and VERY STABLE software. OLD = STABLE. Sorry, that's just a kind of self-evident proposition. But you don't have to be limited by the version of KDE included with stable, if you want newer. NEWER = LESS STABLE. You pays your money, and you takes your chances.