No, you shut up -- Drama at 11:00.

[Snowhog]

There's no way I could replace their knowledge. Thus, my value here is negligible.

Don't sell yourself short. Everyone here in KFN is both valued and has something to contribute. It doesn't matter how much or how little support any member has, or is able, to offer. We exist to help, and that help comes in many different forms.

[GreyGeek]

In what regard? Kubuntu KDE seems full featured to me.

The ISO download is 3.8GB, so it took me about 15 minutes to download it and another 20 to burn it with verification. After that I rebooted into the KWheezy 7.2 LiveCD. Try it and you'll see the differences. Also, some of the problems in Kubuntu Precise are still present in KWeezy 7.2, such as the random disconnect of my AR9642 wifi connection. So, some problems are dependent on the specific driver and not the distro. Other differences include compositing methods, but in terms of performance I seen no difference. Like I said, based on how I use KDE 4.11.2, there is no difference between it and KDE 4.8.5 that KWeezy uses. So, bottom line, I'm too lazy to make the switch for so little difference.

[richb]

The ISO download is 3.8GB, so it took me about 15 minutes to download it and another 20 to burn it with verification. After that I rebooted into the KWheezy 7.2 LiveCD. Try it and you'll see the differences. Also, some of the problems in Kubuntu Precise are still present in KWeezy 7.2, such as the random disconnect of my AR9642 wifi connection. So, some problems are dependent on the specific driver and not the distro. Other differences include compositing methods, but in terms of performance I seen no difference. Like I said, based on how I use KDE 4.11.2, there is no difference between it and KDE 4.8.5 that KWeezy uses. So, bottom line, I'm too lazy to make the switch for so little difference.

I have nothing to install Kwheezy on so I cannot test, except as a LiveDVD. Size alone is not dis-positive. I have upgraded KDE since my fresh install and added packages, so a comparison would be difficult. I guess I remain sceptical but have no basis to dispute your assertion. As far as differences between KDE 4.8.5 vs 4.11.2, they are refinements, evolutionary rather than revolutionary, and I understand desirability depends on usage. In my case the refinements to both the DE and packages are worth the upgrade.

[SteveRiley]

A better choice for those wanting fresher Debian and freshest KDE would be Siduction. Our very own Dibl uses it as his primary distribution and is a moderator of their forums.

From http://manual.siduction.org/en/welcome-en.htm:

siduction is a wordplay between sid and seduction. sid is the codename of Debian's unstable branch.

siduction is an operating system based on the Linux kernel and the GNU project, with applications/programs from Debian unstable/sid and we hold fast to the core values and social contract and the DFSG of Debian.

You no longer need to wait for a new release to always have the latest of anything, including kernels. Once you have installed siduction, followed by all your favourite programs/applications, all it needs is a dist-upgrade, which is a system-wide software update from debian and specialist packages from siduction.

This means that re-installing yet another release every 6+ months on your PC is unnecessary with siduction, as the daily, weekly or monthly dist-upgrade brings everything up-to-date.

It is worth noting, as siduction uses Debian's unstable branch and due to the very nature of 'Sid', you will need to be prepared to use the Terminal/cli.

With the 'way of siduction', you will be always up to date and have the very best that siduction together with Debian 'sid' can offer.

The siduction-maintained repositories provide the most recent versions of important packages that haven't yet made it into Debian sid. For example, KDE 4.11.3 is already available. In my admittedly brief scan of the various derivatives of Debian sid, siduction appears to be the most polished and actively developed.

[Snowhog]

One of the things that Siduction has, which is sorely lacking in any of the *buntus, is an actual Manual. And, it's well put together and maintained.

[GreyGeek]

Richb, I am writing this from a KWheezy 1.3 KDE 4.8.4 destkop running the 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 kernel. Aside from the fact that its KDE and kernel are the same as Precise, there are big differences in installed configurations and apps.

It came preloaded (and deselectable) with Conky on the desktop, along with KCalc and Units. In the system tray is "Color Options", Translator, Plasma Dashboard, Composite State, iBus tool, Clipboard, KMix, KNemo wlan0, KNemo eth0, Bluetooth, USB notifier, NetworkManager, Clock, lock&shutdown. On the left side is the desktop and task launcher, besides the App menu. All pre-configured and installed automatically. It uses Apper for the package manager.

Firefox comes preinstalled and fully populated with plugins and mimes. Youtube videos play immediately, as do DVD movies, etc. It has a TON of preloaded software and games. LibreOffice, VCL, Audacity, PlayOnLinux, Steam, VirtualBox, WINE, Smb4k and much, much more. If there was ever a LiveDVD you wanted to tote along in case of an emergency this one is it. I don't know how much of the Debian repostiory is on the DVD but there seems to be a lot of it.

[richb]

Richb, I am writing this from a KWheezy 1.3 KDE 4.8.4 destkop running the 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 kernel. Aside from the fact that its KDE and kernel are the same as Precise, there are big differences in installed configurations and apps.

It came preloaded (and deselectable) with Conky on the desktop, along with KCalc and Units. In the system tray is "Color Options", Translator, Plasma Dashboard, Composite State, iBus tool, Clipboard, KMix, KNemo wlan0, KNemo eth0, Bluetooth, USB notifier, NetworkManager, Clock, lock&shutdown. On the left side is the desktop and task launcher, besides the App menu. All pre-configured and installed automatically. It uses Apper for the package manager.

Firefox comes preinstalled and fully populated with plugins and mimes. Youtube videos play immediately, as do DVD movies, etc. It has a TON of preloaded software and games. LibreOffice, VCL, Audacity, PlayOnLinux, Steam, VirtualBox, WINE, Smb4k and much, much more. If there was ever a LiveDVD you wanted to tote along in case of an emergency this one is it. I don't know how much of the Debian repostiory is on the DVD but there seems to be a lot of it.

Neat! More stuff than I want loaded but certainly full featured. They are additional apps and widgets. I was thinking more along the lines of the functional parts of KDE.

[GreyGeek]

KWheezy 1.3 has some peculiarities, however.
During the install you are asked to create a "root" account password and an "administrator" password. Then, after rebooting, you are given the opportunity to create a user and password. After that you are given a series of panels in which you select the locale, and the video driver. This is odd indeed because the LiveDVD autoconfigures the video and does an excellent job. Most users wouldn't know which video driver to use. Select the wrong one by mistake and you won't get xserver running. There is a command line app called "switch-viceo-driver", which allows you to change it and see the results immediately. TO use it you must boot the recovery mode, which drops you to a root command line, not the red and blue bash GUI that Kubuntu supplies and which leads to a framebuffer 2D gui interface.
One can open a Konsole and "su root" directly. From there, with mc installled, one can do a lot. I haven't seen a need to use the "administrator" account, or even learn what its purpose is.

But, all in all, KWheezy 1.3 is an excellent distro.

[charles052]

Well, except for the name, Kwheezy sounds pretty cool.

[oshunluvr]

I was thinking it was like the nickname George Jeffersons gave his wife, Louise - Weezie. As in " 'k, Weezie"

However, if you pronounce all the letters together you get queasy...

...I thank you.

[GreyGeek]

The more I run KWeezy the more I like it. I saw VirtualBox's icon in the Utilities menu and opened it. So, I copied my XP.vdi from a backup and bingo, I now have XP running as a guest OS. Now I don't have to reboot into Win7 any more for the rare occasion I need windows.

I've noticed that KWheezy's plasma-desktop experiences short freezes just like my Kubuntu desktop did, and I use Ctrl+Esc, right click on the plasma-desktop and choose "signal" and "(INT)" to send an Interrupt, which always unfreezes it. With Conky running it looks like either virtuoso-t or java may be the culprit causing the freezes. I can, however, just what awhile and the desktop unfreezes on its own.

KWheezy is based out of England and all of the configurations are for eng_GB, not eng_US. I had to change the default language in System Settings and in apps like FireFox which don't use System Settings. This led to a problem doing online banking this morning. It wouldn't work. Turned out that FireFox uses a dropdown combobox to select the language. After clicking on Eng_US I closed the dialog, never notings the light grey buttons on the right which say "move up", "move down", etc... It took a couple frustrating reboots and retrys before I noticed those buttons. Now everything is hunky dory.

I've decided that I don't like appers as a package manager. Muon is not in the Debian repository for Wheezy. Synaptic is, but it is from an uncertified source. So, it's Appers till something better comes along.

[bsniadajewski]

However, if you pronounce all the letters together you get queasy...

Now that's just sick!

[woodsmoke]

WHAT .....IS YOUR FAVOURITE COLOUR!!!??



woodstovesmoke

[GreyGeek]

I switched to KWeezy in November for a short while after a kernel update to Precise, which I was going to stick with until 2015, made my wifi connection unstable. When Kubuntu 14.04 Alpah came out in January I switched back to it because it used a recent kernel which restored stability to my wifi connection. As a side bonus plasma-desktop no longer freezes so I don't need to use the "Ctrl-Esc" to send an INT to the desktop.

Oh, my favorite color is BLUE!

[bsniadajewski]

RED here, except on Sundays and select Mondays during the autumn. Then it's green and gold