No, you shut up -- Drama at 11:00.

[richb]

I have to agree. The community structure surrounding Ubuntu would still stand if there was no Canonical, so it would not be a huge undertaking to keep the distro alive and kicking from that standpoint.

The key would be the community structure staying intact, and the developers wanting to continue.

[claydoh]

The key would be the community structure staying intact, and the developers wanting to continue.

Maybe, as the vast number of developers/packagers etc I believe are not paid employees.

[Simon]

Whether or not Mark Shuttleworth decides at some point to declare an end to 'Ubuntu', that would not be it's demise. Couldn't be in fact. He doesn't 'own' anything other than the name. The kernel isn't his (that belongs to Linus). The developed software isn't his; it's all open source. Everything, other than the names, registered to Canonical, belong to humanity.

Exactly my position. Thank you for clarifying it for me. I would be more concerned about Ubuntu's future if they announced Steven Ballmer was going to pluck it up. Oh god I didn't just type that did I? ok I have said enough about this I have to go rant about Google now.

[whatthefunk]

Pretty much sums up what we already have heard:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/KDE-a...n-396651.shtml

As it stands right now, KDE will never adopt Mir, Kubuntu will probably follow suite, and the days of this Ubuntu flavor are probably numbered.

[richb]

Pretty much sums up what we already have heard:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/KDE-a...n-396651.shtml

One man's opinion. I am not as sure.

[geoaraujo]

Very sad...
Most reviews agree that Kubuntu is an excellent distro, one of the best KDE distros for the average user. I'm not a programmer or anything like that at all, but it seems that the adoption of Mir will probably make Ubuntu compatible only with other distros using Mir as well. And that probably will mean the end of Kubuntu, as it will no longer be compatible with Ubuntu. It's awkward start to think in adopting a new distro in the (not so far away) future, but maybe it's necessary at this point. Thus, I would like to know if there's a Debian based distro that uses something like launchpad and also if it's useless in a rolling release distro.

[richb]

If Kubuntu could talk ------ ‘The report of my death was an exaggeration’ As has been pointed out by some in this thread Ubuntu going to Mir in and of itself will not affect Kubuntu.

[Snowhog]

Of course, I can't see the future (not sure I would want to!), but I don't think that Kubuntu (other than, at worst, the loss of the name) is going to disappear, even if Ubuntu were to end. If/and/or in the event that Ubuntu were to 'close shop', Kubuntu would most likely fork as a distribution (which in some respects, it has already done).

[GreyGeek]

Like Kwheezy?

When I first saw your post I was thinking that you were suggesting a new name for a Debian based Kubuntu and didn't think much of naming a distro based on a release. But, when I read your post the second time the "link" popped out and it lead me to KWheezy. Very Interesting, and KWheezy looks well developed, if the tour is meaningful: http://www.kwheezy.com/en/tour/

EDIT: I downloaded the 3.8GB KWheezy 64bit iso and tried it out in LiveCD mode. VERY IMPRESSIVE!

Well designed and laid out, cleanly implemented. Interesting theme. Has Conky in the right upper corner. GoogleEarth, Firefox, thunderbird and flashplayer preinstalled. Very interesting arrangement in the system tray. GoogleEarth has the same "HTTPS format error" which prevents searching, but it doesn't crash attempting to search again.

Nice selection of systools displayed. Has some of the same faults as Kubuntu: tzdata problem, my wireless randomly disconnects and reconnects, but the eth0 connection is rock solid. Very good selection of software in the Debian Wheezy repository. The English have done themselves proud!

[SteveRiley]

I stated that it was Shuttlesworth stating indirectly that he is giving Ubuntu five more years to be successful and if it didn't capture a significant part of the market by 2017 that he would shut Canonical down and abandon Ubuntu.

One interpretation of closing Bug #1 is to prepare for this eventual fate. It would seem weird, indeed, if he closed up shop having never actually "fixed" the reason he set up shop at the beginning.

[GreyGeek]

One interpretation of closing Bug #1 is to prepare for this eventual fate. It would seem weird, indeed, if he closed up shop having never actually "fixed" the reason he set up shop at the beginning.

True, but I, like many others, thought that Shuttlesworth was more about community than money. But, it seems that when push comes to shove, money overrides every other consideration. He could/can do with his money what ever he wants, but it is somewhat disingenuous to name a distro "Ubuntu" and then, when things don't work out the way he thought they would, to begin to behave in a divisive manner.

Ignoring Shuttlesworth and focusing on what it means to Kubuntu to be based on Ubuntu -- it will become more and more difficult to use Ubuntu as a base after Mark takes it to the solitary waters of Mir. When more and more time is being spent converting the base to something pallitable for Kubuntu, and less is being spent on fulfilling KDE's potential in Kubuntu, it will only harm Kubuntu.

This was made very clear to me when I gave KWheezy a test run yesterday. It has more of KDE that Kubuntu has, IMO.

[richb]

This was made very clear to me when I gave KWheezy a test run yesterday. It has more of KDE that Kubuntu has, IMO.

In what regard? Kubuntu KDE seems full featured to me.

[sithlord48]

I'm not sure if any of you have seen tanglu but its testing debian packages for testers to use between those long debian freezes. currently you can only run it via a live disk (installer is broken atm) it boots fast for a usb image. has kernel 3.11 (3.12 is target for release) and kde 4.10.5 (4.11.x is release target).

[67GTA]

I'm not sure if any of you have seen tanglu but its testing debian packages for testers to use between those long debian freezes. currently you can only run it via a live disk (installer is broken atm) it boots fast for a usb image. has kernel 3.11 (3.12 is target for release) and kde 4.10.5 (4.11.x is release target).

I've been patiently waiting for their first release.

[charles052]

I had tried Debian several years ago and was familiar with its three tiers of release. At the time I was all about bleeding edge stuff and the fun of bug hunting, etc... But, in my old age, I find that the bugs can out run me and my shooting skills aren't what they used to be. So, I am satisfied with a sedate platform, which is why I am staying with the 12.04 LTS (or Deb 7 KDE if I move there). While I am currently running KDE 4.11.2 on Precise, I found very little difference between 4.8.5 and 11.2, at least in how I use them.

Being that even IF I switched to Debian 7 KDE I'd still be running KDE and problems that arise would most likely be KDE based, this would still be the forum of choice. Calling it "Kubuntu" after Ubuntu has branched into an OS on which it would be too difficult to continue basing Kubuntu on, suggests that both a distro and forum name change is on the horizon.

However, one thing that should never change is the social etiquette of this forum. During the nearly FIVE years (my how time flies) I've been a member of this forum replies like "RTFM" or discussions that debase into personal insults and name calling have never been tolerated, regardless of how "hot" the topic, and "hot" topics were never censored or banned. Also very nice is the fact that users of Windows can get their questions answered here politely as well. It is a forum I never plan to leave, regardless of what happens to Kubuntu, because I will always be using KDE as my desktop. The reason is simple. It is, without a doubt, the best desktop available on a PC today.

I too like this forum. I used to be a bit of a debater on a couple of websites, but this site, I steer clear of debating. Why? Simply put, I value the people here far more than the other forums. I value their knowledge, their time, and their kindness. Also, I simply don't have the know how that many here do and heated debating is a very good way to run off good people on a forum. There's no way I could replace their knowledge. Thus, my value here is negligible.

And I too love KDE and Linux and I do wish that Kubuntu would remain supported. But if what you're saying is true, that may not be the case much longer. So, I may be looking for another distro as well. I appreciate you pointing me to Debian which I may check out soon (like next year or so).