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    All I wanted was an installation time ....

    A week ago yesterday I got fed up with a couple of things. I had used Earthlink for four years, but switched to Windstream because the apt complex my wife and I moved into also supplied Windstream cable TV for free. Supposedly 120 channels, we found that most were paid programming (ads) many were featuring OLD TV shows and movies before 1980. Lots of channels but nothing worth watching. All my wife wanted was local news and weather. And, I had no control over the firmware in the Windstream DSL modem. So, I decided to see if Earthlink was available in my area. It was! I contacted a sales rep via Earthlink's chat service. Here is the pertinent snip from that chat:

    "***** *: Great news!! I see that I can offer you High Speed cable internet. Cable Max:This is a best effort technology with speeds up to 15.0mb on the download and up to 1mb on the upload. Right now with our 15.0mb cable high speed, you can get the first 6 months for only $39.90 per month and the remaining months are just $51.90 per month. No contract, no start up fees. Free installation and modem.
    ***** *: You get unlimited internet access.
    Jerry: Great. I don't need a modem. I have my own with DD-WRT installed. (I programmed for nearly 40 yrs and support Kubuntu Linux). This is the last month of my 1 yr contract with Windstream. When can we do a replacement?
    ***** *: Well, you can discuss that with the installer when he calls you.
    ***** *: As we set-up the account, the installer will call you immediately to fix an appointment for installation."
    Guess what? We set up the account and within 10 minutes I had a webmail home page that I could log into. I waited until after 6PM for the installer to call and fix an appointment but he never did. Faux 1.

    No use calling on Saturday or Sunday, and since Earthlink piggy-backs on the TimeWarner cable system. I called them at 9AM Monday. They switched me back to Earthlink, which dropped me straight into PHONE MENU HELL. Of course, Earthlink doesn't do any installations themselves so I was switched back to TimeWarner, and the merry-go-round began. Back and forth through Phone menu hell. Each side disclaiming knowledge or responsibility. For variety, I was slogged through noisy connections from overseas "support" centers in India, manned by people who didn't speak or understand American dialect very well, and I didn't understand them. I talked with so many people I don't remember the name of the individual who told me she'd look into it and call me back. I waited the rest of Monday afternoon for a call that never arrived. Faux 2.

    Tuesday morning I went through phone menu hell again and got essentially the same run-around. Someone gave me a TimeWarner number to call where I could make arrangements myself for setting up an installation date. That number responded with a recording stating that they weren't available till 12 Noon. I waited till Noon and dialed again. I was into another phone menu hell. It ended with a person saying he'd "look into it" and give me a call back.

    That call never came. Faux 3. However, Earthlink's Accounts Receivable department is a well greased machine. I went over to my son's house to borrow his connection and do some online banking and bill paying. I am totally digital with my finances. In checking the email webpage I noticed an email from Earthlink. It was a statement saying I owed $0!!! Apparently they were establishing a monthly billing date.

    In later conversations with other Earthlink person I was told that "Cable Max" is a 20 Mb connection. The 15Mb connection is their "standard" offering at $29.99, etc... All I had asked for was a 15Mb connection with no data cap. I was promised a 15Mb connection with no contract, no startup fees and free installation and modem. "***** *" didn't even know the product line he was pedaling.

    Wednesday I traversed the phone menu hell yet again but reached a person whose connection was so noisy I couldn't understand 90% of what she said and hung up out of frustration. Redialing, I encountered a person who suggested my problem was because the installer went to my old address, the house I had sold a year ago. That was an outright bald face lie because the installer would have to have an appointment setup, and to do that they would have had to ask me when I'd be home. THAT is exactly what I was trying to get ... an installation appointment date. Then I decided to try to avoid the phone menu hell, go to my son's house, borrow his wireless connection, and contact the sales people via their web site chat. "**** *", after 15 minutes of back and forth typing, finally grasp the problem and gave me yet another phone number to call. While traversing the phone menu hell yet again someone gave me a number I hadn't been given before, the 0300 number. I finally found someone at that number who, after "looking into it", claimed there was something wrong with the order and she would investigate and call me back. Having heard that dodge before I wasn't optimistic. Who ever she was, I can't remember if it was MB, or Jackyln, or whomever, she was true to form. She never called back. Faux 4

    It is now Thursday. I call the 0300 number again. After another round of phone menu hell of being shuffled back and forth between Earthlink and TimeWarner I finally reach a woman who states, again, that there is a problem with my order. Who ever set it up used the wrong "code" which identified the kind of service being purchased. She was the one who gave me the info about the difference between the 15Mb service and the 20Mb service. She changed the contract to reflect the standard service at 15 Mb and gave me an installation time of between 8AM and 9AM on Friday, Oct 18, 2013.

    Friday, Oct 18, 2013. 9AM. The service technician failed to arrive and didn't even call to explain why. Faux 5

    I dialed the 0300 number again and when I verified the phone number I was calling from the computer asked if I was calling about the installation that had been set up for me. I responded by pressing "1". "Rita" answered the phone. I told her about my appointment and the fact that the installer never arrived. I was put on hold. After about 5 minutes she came back with the claim that there was a "problem" with my order and that she'd have to reschedule my installation appointment. I asked if that meant that it would be next week before a technician would come out. She said yes. I recounted my experience over the last seven days and told her that I am not confident that a reschedule for next week would end any differently than the one today. I told her that I had my own computer consulting business for 20 years and if I was as incompetent with my clients as Earthlink is with me, I would have been fired. I politely asked her to reschedule for today. She said she would try, and would call me back either way. I wasn't optomistic but about 20 minutes later she did call back and said that a technician would be at our place between 11AM and 12PM.

    At 11:49AM the TimeWarner technician arrived and installed the cable modem. Jason was very fast, professional and nice.

    I had one chore to accomplish. Call Earthlink AR and tell them to change my "Service Date" from 10/11/13" to "10/18/13".

    [continued in the next post]
    "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
    – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

    #2
    From my chat log with Earthlink:
    greygeek77@earthlink.net: I just got my 15Mb connection set up, but I accessed my webmail a few days ago using my son's wireless. Now that I can access it from my own laptop my passwword is giving me problems. It is ***********.

    Gordon *******: I will be glad to assist you with your issue.

    Gordon **********: To assist you further, I need to verify your account.

    Gordon **********: What was the name of your first pet?

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: *************

    Gordon *************: Thank you for verifying your account.

    Gordon ***********: I see that your account has been inactivated by the installation department.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: What?

    Gordon **********: I would suggest you to contact our Installations Department at 888-847-4708(7am - 12am Monday - Friday, 8am - 10pm Saturday and Sunday) and they will help you with that for you.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: The guy who installed the service got here at 11AM this morning and set it up. I ordered this service last Friday, a week ago, and it has taken me 6 days of begging and pleading for Earthlink to set up an appointment, which was finally done by "Rita" this morning AFTER a technician failed to show up for an 8AM-9AM appointment. IF my account has been set "inactivated" how can I browse the web or chat with you?

    Gordon ************8: The cable Internet service has not been completed been cancelled , I would suggest you to contact our Installations Department at 888-847-4708(7am - 12am Monday - Friday, 8am - 10pm Saturday and Sunday) and they will help you with that for you

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: You don't seem to grasp the situation and your first sentence doesn't make any sense. I HAVE an Earthlink internet connection. It was set up by "Jason" a little over an hour ago. That's how I can chat with you from here, at my home. I am merely trying to access my webmail.

    Gordon ************: I am giving information which I can see on your account .

    Gordon ***************: Please give me five minutes while check on your issue.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: OK, meanwhile I will type in the agony I have gone through in getting Earthlink:
    ... lots of text...

    Gordon ***********: I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience caused to you due to this problem.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: I've heard a lot of apologizes but that doesn't seem to help.

    Gordon **********: I have reactivated your account .

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: THANK YOU!
    But wait, there's more!!!
    The WOES continue. Here is a chat in which I ask a representative to change the billing cycle so it begins with the date my cable was connected, not the date of my intital chat with the salesrep, "Allen *".

    Please hold for the next available agent. Your chat should begin in approximately 0 minutes. You may type your question while you wait, but you won’t be able to SEND it until your chat is assigned to an agent.

    'Joel *' says: Thank you for contacting EarthLink LiveChat, how may I help you today?

    Joel *: Hi, This is Joel P. How may I help you today ?

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: I ordered the 15Mb Earthlink service a week ago today but through a variety of problems (all from Earthlink's side) and one failed instalallation appointment I was able to persuade "Rita" to redo the failed appointment for 8AM-9AM this morning to some other time TODAY. She was able to do that and about two hours ago "Jason" came by and installed the cable modem and I, for the first time, got Earthlink cable working. However, I was amused to note that I got a bill for Earthlink last Tuesday! It was for $0 but it was obviously to set the billing cycle. Since my service did not start till two hours ago I would like the billling cycle to reflect that. It is not right that I pay for one week of service that I didn't get.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: Also, I usually pay bills electronically through my bank using their "BillPay" service. For that I need a suitable address that they can use to sent the payment to.

    Joel *: Okay, Please stay online while I check the details.

    Joel *: Thank you for being on hold. I appreciate your time and patience.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: Sure

    Joel *: In order to proceed further, I need to verify your account.

    Joel *: Could you please provide the name of your first pet listed on your account ?

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: ****

    Joel *: Thank you for providing the verification information, your account has been verified.

    Joel *: I see that you have cable Internet service from Earthlink so billing is done by cable vendor(Time Warner cable)

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: OK

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: They'll probabaly be in CornhuskerBank's list of vendors then.

    Joel *: I suggest you to call our voice support on 888-327-8454

    Joel *: \So that they will check cable service and fix it.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: For what? To reset the billing cycle date?

    Joel *: I see that your cable Internet service is inactive from Earthlink.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: NO, it is NOT! I ran into that problem when I tried to log into my webmail account. Gordan *********** re-activated it.

    Joel *: Okay, As per the account is showing inactive.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: You would't believe the problems I ran into trying to buy this service.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: You better talk with Gordan ********** and get the facts. I CAN access my webmail and my ACCOUNT IS ACTIVE. The problem is that your computer record is not current.

    Joel *: Yes, you can access email address without any issue but it issue on cable Internet service.

    Joel *: You can call our voice support on 888-327-8454

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: I AM USING the cable INTERNET SERVICE NOW! Sorry about the shouting but it seems that Earthlink's left hand doesn't talk to its right hand. During a chat with a salesperson, "ALLEN *", I contracted for a 15 Mb Earthlink cable account. Allen said that someone would call me before the end of the day (last FRIDAY) to set up an appointment. No one did. The following Monday I began a 5 day trek through PHONE MENU HELL tryiing to find someone who would set up an installation appointment. A lot of people promised to do so but none carried through to "call back" or to connect me with someone who would. Finally, YESTERDAY, a lady made an appointment for 8AM-9AM this morning. But, no one showed up. I called the 0300 number and pleaded with another lady to resechedule for sometime today. She did, for 11AM-12AM. "Jason" came by just before Noon and installed the cable modem. I've had an Earthlink cable connection since 12 NOON TODAY. However, I couldn't log into my Earthlink webmail because my
    password was being rejected. Gordan ********** saw the "inactive" (who in the *** would do that?) and reactivated it. I guess your computer terminal doesn't access current info,

    Joel *: Okay, Please stay online while I check the details.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: What ever you do PLEASE DO NOT deactivate my account. If you do I will cancel it.

    Joel *: I am not deactivating anything.

    Joel *: I am just providing the details which show on the accout.

    Joel *: Account.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: Thank you, and pardon me for the frustration that is showing through.

    Joel *: Not a problem.

    Joel *: If you call our voice support they will check the cable Internet service again and connect you again.

    Joel *: I do understand your concern you are connected to cable Internet service.

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: Joel, I AM connected.. IF I talk to anyone in support I suspect that they will get fuzzy minded and disconnect me.

    Joel *: But currently is inactive from Earthlink, As you have connected for cable Internet service from cable vendor you will able to connected but after some time or tomorrow you may not connect

    Joel *: So Please call our voice support on 888-327-8454

    greygeek77@earthlink.net: All I am wanting to do is make sure my monthly billing cycle beings with TODAY, NOT last Friday.
    There is even more, but yesterday I eventually got in contact with a real person in Earthlink's billing dept and she reset my service data to yesterday.

    Now, I am waiting to see if my connection is deactivated or not.
    "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
    – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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      #3
      Yep, that's what it's like out there now, brainless wonders sitting at customer service rep desks. I've had basically the same conversation, "I'm very tech literate, please do not talk to me like I am a child or stupid, thank you, now please reverse all those trumped up/false charges before I sue you for commercial fraud, have a nice day". That works most of the time, I had a cable company here try to rip me off for $750! They wound up owing ME $50, makes me wonder how many suckers just pay because they are afraid of collections or a bad credit report.

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        #4
        Originally posted by tek_heretik View Post
        .... makes me wonder how many suckers just pay because they are afraid of collections or a bad credit report.
        When "***** *" told me his "good news" he may have been trying to sell me a $29 service for $49. Or, he just didn''t know his product line. But, what amazed me is the number of people from both Earthlink and TimeWarner who were simply just clueless about their business. It also amazed me that two different reps showed two different account conditions, the second within minutes of the first. Eartlhlink's database system is very poorly designed if two people reading information from the same account get two different results.
        "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
        – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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          #5
          I use DSL through Centurylink. Nothing but good things to say and I get 10mbs, which is more than fast enough for me. And it's constant, hardly ever goes down. I've both and heard of horror stories with cable, both internet and TV, and will not go to it ever again!

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            #6
            THAT is why I'm afraid to switch from my ATT DSL to U-Verse. With all that I deal with in my profession, which is managing a network and its "users", that kind of thing I don't think I could handle! Before the DSL (which I set-up myself) we had cable internet. When the installer for the cable internet was here he couldn't figure out why it wasn't working. He said he'll be back the next day after consulting with his people. I called them back 30 minutes after he left AFTER I got it working.
            Last edited by MoonRise; Oct 19, 2013, 03:32 PM.

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              #7
              Boy, GreyGeek, your account of "frustration" with E/L sure sounds familiar. I think it can and does occur with all companies for tele, Internet, and cell. I think E/L is excellent, but I also had a chat with them that sounds identical to yours. It was over billing, how much I was to pay for DSL, I was told two different prices after I had locked into the lower price. On chat, I told them I was going to do two things: 1) That I was familiar with the excellent company history and with the bio and philosophy of the CEO, and I suspect he would love to hear about my problem and how I have been treated (I'm really not sure if that would have been futile or bs or what, but, hey, it makes an impression on the sales rep); and (2) I would call my AT&T Master Card service, complain, and ask them to investigate YOU. Well, I actually did end up calling Master Card, they investigated, and returned with the lower DSL price for me. Fact is, the Master Card rep was not happy that Earthlink was messing with my billing, and it sounded like she was as angry as I was about it. Too bad, though, that this is part of our survival mode these days. I can't believe that this kind of stress (feeling helpless, disregarded, lied to) is good the the health, mental or physical. I think I would rather face and fight the saber-tooth tiger.
              An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles Bukowski

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                #8
                Originally posted by Qqmike View Post
                Boy, GreyGeek, your account of "frustration" with E/L sure sounds familiar. I think it can and does occur with all companies for tele, Internet, and cell. ...
                The problem, I believe, is that the ISP's and Smartphone vendors are colluding to divide territory and present similar pricing plans. IOW, a lack of REAL competition. We can thank the FCC for that because of the revolving door relationship between the head of the FCC and the Cable/Telco managers.

                As far as Earthlink, I had a 15 Mb connection from the summer of 2008 until Oct of 2012. A little over 4 years. I never had one moment's problem with it. Since "Jason" connected up the Earthlink cable box at Noon on yesterday I have not had a single Internet outage that required me to restart the network manager service. And, my max download is about 50% more than Windstream's, and my upload is 400Kb/s faster. This is what I was hoping for, and why I put up with the problems until I got them resolved.
                "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
                – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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                  #9
                  @GreyGeek: Ha, ha what a saga! Your first couple of posts had me laughing my head off!

                  I'm glad you finally got it sorted though.
                  Desktop PC: Intel Core-i5-4670 3.40Ghz, 16Gb Crucial ram, Asus H97-Plus MB, 128Gb Crucial SSD + 2Tb Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 HDD running Kubuntu 18.04 LTS and Kubuntu 14.04 LTS (on SSD).
                  Laptop: HP EliteBook 8460p Core-i5-2540M, 4Gb ram, Transcend 120Gb SSD, currently running Deepin 15.8 and Manjaro KDE 18.

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                    #10
                    GG, you have more patience than I do.
                    Linux User #454271

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by MoonRise View Post
                      THAT is why I'm afraid to switch from my ATT DSL to U-Verse.
                      Looking at a potential $60 / month savings, we switched from Time Warner to ATT U-Verse at the beginning of this year. While considering the move, my googling around turned up cautions that they might try to jack me up with bogus add-ons to the monthly bills, after I was signed up. Here we are a full 9+ months later and I must say, the service has been impeccable, and there have been exactly zero billing issues. Their signal is VDSL, and the 2Wire modem with its wireless AP connected feeds 3 televisions plus however many of my 6 computers are on at any given moment. Not to mention 3 cell phones and a Roku box. I have observed the TV signal being lost a couple of times, for less than an hour -- but Time Warner had it worse, where I had to reboot their set-top box. That has not happened with ATT.

                      At first I thought I had an issue, when I discovered the 2-wire modem does not support static IP addressing without an account upgrade. However, the funny thing is, once each device gets its DHCP address, they never change! So I can set up ssh from my netbook to the other computers including my server, and it always works, just as if they were static IP addresses.

                      So as of this moment, I am happily recommending ATT U-Verse as a good deal for the money and a reliable service.

                      Too bad about my recent-model TP-Link b/g/n router with the fancy parabolic reflector that I made for it .....

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                        #12
                        ATT U-verse is, unfortunately, not available within a significant portion of the U.S, including Alaska and Hawaii.
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                          #13
                          I have Cox Cable w/ 50/20Mbits/s internet speeds, 4 cable boxes (one a dvr) and a phoneline without a phone (the bundle is cheaper w/phone than without). I can have everyone online at once and still download at 8MBytes/s. My relationship with our provider had a rocky start, with slow/no internet speeds, horrible tv picture and dropped calls. 12yrs later, Cox cable has done a lot of upgrades up to my house, and I have done a lot of upgrades in my house. I usually have about 10 appliances connected to the internet at any given time and my HD picture is flawless.

                          Patience is a virtue.
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                            #14
                            So is patience.
                            Linux because it works. No social or political motives in my decision to use it.
                            Always consider Occam's Razor
                            Rich

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by dibl View Post
                              Looking at a potential $60 / month savings, we switched from Time Warner to ATT U-Verse at the beginning of this year. While considering the move, my googling around turned up cautions that they might try to jack me up with bogus add-ons to the monthly bills, after I was signed up. Here we are a full 9+ months later and I must say, the service has been impeccable, and there have been exactly zero billing issues. Their signal is VDSL, and the 2Wire modem with its wireless AP connected feeds 3 televisions plus however many of my 6 computers are on at any given moment. Not to mention 3 cell phones and a Roku box. I have observed the TV signal being lost a couple of times, for less than an hour -- but Time Warner had it worse, where I had to reboot their set-top box. That has not happened with ATT.

                              At first I thought I had an issue, when I discovered the 2-wire modem does not support static IP addressing without an account upgrade. However, the funny thing is, once each device gets its DHCP address, they never change! So I can set up ssh from my netbook to the other computers including my server, and it always works, just as if they were static IP addresses.

                              So as of this moment, I am happily recommending ATT U-Verse as a good deal for the money and a reliable service.

                              Too bad about my recent-model TP-Link b/g/n router with the fancy parabolic reflector that I made for it .....

                              Nice feedback. Good to know! Thanks!

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