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    Ubuntu and the NRA - Not compatible?!

    First, this is 'personal', and even as an Administrator, I'll defer to any other Administrator who feels that this should not be posted here, and feels it necessary to remove it.

    I posted the following question on Ubuntuforums to coffecat, on of their Forum Administrators:
    I'd like to inquire why there is no prominent notice about Canonical's Ubuntu Edge campaign on Ubuntuforums? This forum is the official Ubuntu forum, and is owned by Canonical, yes? And Canonical is the one promoting the Ubuntu Edge?

    Snowhog
    Nothing wrong with the question. It was the reply, and not to the question, but to the included comment at the end, that has me upset:
    Simple answer: no one from the Ubuntu Edge team approached us to ask for a notice, and the admins have been far too pre-occupied with the fallout from the security breach to think of this. Besides - forum notices are really only for forum matters and we get complaints if notices stray from that area. The place for publicity about Ubuntu Edge is a discussion thread in an area such as the Cafe, of which there are several, and I see you have started one too.

    By the way - your NRA signature link contravenes the Code of Conduct. We've had complaints. Please remove it within the next 24 hours.
    Emphasis added.

    What!? 'Contravenes' the Code of Conduct!? Don't think so!!
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    Now, I understand that Ubuntu is not registered in the United States. However, the statement nonetheless is offense to me as an American. I won't remove the signature statement, and I told the Administrator as much. Should Ubuntuforums decide to take action to bar me, or to remove my account, I will report the incident to the National Rifle Association.

    What is the World coming to?!
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    Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
    "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

    #2
    Did you ask why it contravened? did they answer?

    TBO, never noticed your sig before and don't really care, though IMO I do think the NRA represent part of what is wrong with America these days.
    Last edited by blackpaw; Aug 13, 2013, 09:36 PM.

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      #3
      Its political. Ubuntu forums has always had a strict policy about political things. I honestly dont think the NRA can do anything if Ubuntu Forums forces you to delete it and the NRA shouldnt be able to do anything.

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        #4
        The NRA link don't bother me. "From my cold, dead hands!" That's mildly disturbing but I understand the conviction, especially in bear country. I suppose this is not about bears though.

        Ken.
        Opinions are like rear-ends, everybody has one. Here's mine. (|)

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          #5
          Well, I can sorta see how they'd want to discourage anything political (most forums still prohibit politics/religion)

          People are a bit to touchy though
          Registered Linux User 545823

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            #6
            I guess nobody remembers the absolute FLAME wars against any avatar that even hinted at Christianity over there.

            But an avatar of a "mythical monster" holding up the severed head of a woman was quite de-rigueur.

            That was the genesis..... lol pun intended, of Ubuntu Satanic Edition....

            http://ubuntusatanic.org/

            Because those horrid yeeech "Christians" had made an Ubuntu Christian Edition.

            http://ubuntuce.com/

            Fortunately, after a LOT of flaming that would put Ghost Rider to shame.



            ...Shuttleworth stepped in and said that Ubuntu Satanic Edition had to go off the forum.

            There IS however, still a link at Ubu forms itself to "community editions" which leads one to the above link.

            THAT has to be a constant burr under the saddle of the lefties at Ubu forums proper.

            But.... in the world of the left the only truth is left truth.

            Just....as in the world of the right.....the only truth is the right truth.

            The DIFFERENCE is.,....that the lefties prattle on at great lenght about how "all ideas are of equal merit" and that "genteel discussion" is paramount...

            The right freely admits that it is intolerant! lol

            woodsmoke
            Last edited by woodsmoke; Aug 13, 2013, 10:32 PM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by whatthefunk View Post
              Its political. Ubuntu forums has always had a strict policy about political things. I honestly dont think the NRA can do anything if Ubuntu Forums forces you to delete it and the NRA shouldnt be able to do anything.
              Yes, I'm aware that it's political. It shouldn't be. People are way to sensitive about everything! No, the NRA wouldn't be able to do anything, and they wouldn't. For me, it's the principle. I'm not removing that portion of my signature, and if that means that Ubuntuforums removes my account, so be it. I much prefer it here anyway!
              Windows no longer obstructs my view.
              Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
              "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

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                #8
                Wow, I'm a member of the NRA and I must confess that I never noticed your NRA link at the bottom.
                Interestingly, a Black Pro-2A group made a video promoting the 2A and the NRA, claiming that the NRA was created, among other reasons, to help put firearms into the hands of the newly freed Black slaves. It was created by a Union general who was appalled at the marksmanship of Union soldiers. Later it created chapters in black communities to help them protect themselves from the KKK. Hence the reason for this video:


                Notice the comments. The group was called an "uncle tom conference". The "champions" of tolerance are very intolerant of Blacks who leave the plantation.

                And, while being very tolerant and "understanding" of Muslims, they are very intolerant of Christians. I can see their point. You gotta profile those nasty Christians because they are always strapping on bombs and blowing up women, children and the elderly at supermarkets, assassinating 10 year old girls just walking down the street, planting IEDs in roadways, bombing subways and train stations, holding hundreds hostage for money, forming gangs of thugs who attack and burn buildings of other religions, even with members inside, chop off hands for minor theft and stone women for adultry, (letting the man go), and even invading and destroying other countries in the name of Jesus. Although they claim otherwise, Christians are not peaceful at all.
                "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
                – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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                  #9
                  LOL
                  At a "gun rights" or maybe Tea Party, don't know rally back a coupla years ago, a "chirpy young thing" did a short interview with an African American and the news group cropped the pic to not include the "nefarious black rifle with a big clip" that the guy had!

                  I attended two tea party "meetings" and two "rallys" in our fair city and would say that probably 15 percent of the people who showed up were African American, and unfortunately for the elites, a lot of college kids (including.... gulp....college GIRLS! lol, one of them was wearing a don't tread on me t-shirt and no she was NOT a ...."hillbilly with buck teeth".

                  lotsa fun! lol

                  woodsmoke

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                    #10
                    I love your "From my cold, dead hands!" sig. Keep up the good fight, Snowhog!

                    Originally posted by snowhog
                    I won't remove the signature statement, and I told the Administrator as much.
                    I noticed it's gone from your Ubuntu Forums sig. Did they remove it without your consent?
                    Last edited by rybnik; Aug 14, 2013, 12:42 PM.
                    I run Kubuntu 18.04 LTS.

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                      #11
                      +1 for Snowhog
                      Linux User #454271

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                        #12
                        Why do people have to put these sorts of things in signatures on a Linux forum? Whats the point?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by rybnik View Post
                          I love your "From my cold, dead hands!" sig. Keep up the good fight, Snowhog!


                          I noticed it's gone from your Ubuntu Forums sig. Did they remove it without your consent?
                          No, I did not, and I did not consent. That means Ubuntuforums violated my right to freedom of expression! Geez. Guess I have to give them both barrels.

                          I replied to the PM that coffeecat, an Ubuntuforums Administrator, left me. I was not nice. I was nasty. Sorry. But that is the way it is. I demanded that my account be removed and that all and every post I have made be removed as well.

                          Screw people who feel that it is necessary to stifle freedom of speech and expression. What they objected to wasn't the link to the NRA; it was the quoted line "From my cold dead hands." So, having strong convictions is offensive to Ubuntuforums. They can go pound sand.
                          Last edited by Snowhog; Aug 14, 2013, 08:14 PM.
                          Windows no longer obstructs my view.
                          Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
                          "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Snowhog View Post
                            No, I did not, and I did not consent. That means Ubuntuforums violated my right to freedom of expression! Geez. Guess I have to give them both barrels.
                            Is this where we stand up and sing the national anthem? Americans sometimes have very weird thoughts about rights....

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by whatthefunk View Post
                              Is this where we stand up and sing the national anthem? Americans sometimes have very weird thoughts about rights....
                              "Our" rights, as Americans, enshrined in our Constitution, are taken very seriously. I don't expect, or require, that non-Americans understand this. America saved the world on two occasions; World War I (The 'war to end all wars') and World War II. Many non-Americans were extremely grateful we entered those wars.

                              Okay, I don't want this to become a 'war' of ideologies. I have strong convictions concerning our 2nd Amendment. Let's leave it at that.
                              Windows no longer obstructs my view.
                              Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
                              "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

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