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    Just another reason why Gnome 3 is such a huge pain in the posterior

    It's not enough that they created the Gnome 3 shell which is a serious pain to use. It's not enough that everything already got greatly dumbed down, but they're still axing features left and right for now good reason. But hey, at least the developers are super-helpful and super-nice when replying to people asking about the removed features XD

    Code:
    Bug 698544
    Background configuration is missing in terminal profile editor
    Eduard Valiauka [reporter] 2013-04-22 07:18:29 UTC
    
    Steps:
    1. Open gnome terminal
    2. Go to Edit -> Profile Preferences
    
    Actual result: Background configuration tab is missing.
    
    It was present in 3.6 version, please return it back.
    Code:
    Christian Persch [gnome-terminal developer] 2013-04-22 09:34:26 UTC
    
    No.
    
    *closed as wontfix*
    Wow, this couldn't have been handled in a more helpful and more friendly way XD
    Of course this caused a big torrent of comments, like e.g.:

    Code:
    piruthiviraj natarajan 2013-04-23 14:50:23 UTC
    
    Just a No and closing it as resolved and wontfix is bad attitude.
    no wonder why gnome deserves the flak.
    Code:
    Peter 2013-04-23 19:22:05 UTC
    
    It is a major feature for me and every graphical terminal-emulator offers this.
    The complete development around compositing and AIGLX was focused on enabling
    real transparency, especially for terminal-emulators.
    
    It not okay to answer with "No". It is not okay to remove such a feature
    silently, without discussing this in public. It not okay to put this not in the
    release notes of GNOME 3.8. And is not okay to destroy the great work of so
    many developers.
    
    GNOME 3 is dying a little with every removed feature. But rude developers kill
    the community!
    Code:
    For the last 3 years gnome has been primarily involved in features removing 
    contest and they have been citing various bogus reasons and one of them is
    better code maintenance. This time its the terminal getting some features
    removed and if you see evince it has lost some features too.
    Code:
    The general problem of GNOME:
    
    The developers of GNOME tend to believe the project is criticized because the
    people doesn't like the new GNOME-SHELL. The developers think it is necessary
    to iron out the glitches and while GNOME3 is getting more mature, the press and
    user will honor the work. Smiliar to KDE4.
    But the users are not criticizing the GNOME-Shell! They cirticize the removal
    of features with every new GNOME 3.x release-cycle. It is not getting better.
    It is getting worse!
    
    Failures:
    * no communication between developers and users (there is none, no official
    forum, no response to user critic)
    * permanent removal of features
    * wrong believe that removing options and features lead to a clean and well
    usable design of applications
    * no official strategy, no official plan for features/changes for next release
    
    Nautilus in 3.6 was a perfect example:
    * The developers ignored every warning from the userbase
    * They removed split-pane and find-as-you-type, and replaced the later one with
    a slow unintuitive search
    * User left GNOME, migrated to XFCE, fork like MINT or stay with 3.4 (like
    Ubuntu, which is also a fork)
    
    GNOME 3.8 has removed transparency support?
    * For what reason?!
    
    GNOME 3.0:
    * removed many options, e.g. especially "LID-CLOSED" on laptops or "leaving
    message on login screen" or "configuration tool for gdm"
    
    Kidding:
    Will 3.10 remove tabs from Nautilus or Epiphany? Why everyone who is not
    familiar with dconf has to install gnome-tweak-tool?
    Good grief... Gnone 2 was ugly, but it at least had a tiny shred of usability. Gnome 3 already started out on a very bad footing, being a huge pain to use - which is why Canonical hurriedly came up with Unity, to alleviate matters a bit. As it happens when you hurriedly come up with stuff, it was of course very buggy. At least they had enough sense to use Qt for it rather than crappy Gtk.
    Now, with every passing release, Gnome 3 is only becoming worse and worse all the time, and the developers become more arrogant all the time, with no improvement in sight.

    Thus, I find myself wondering... why are so many people still using this atrocious Gnome 3? Did long years of Windumb usage make them hardcore masochists? Do they think that an OS (or desktop environment) has to be a pain to use? Do they like being nannied by arrogant developers which tell them which features they may use, and how, and it reminds them of "good old Windows"? I really can't understand it.
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    #2
    I totally agree that Gnome 3 is stupid, useless, an over reach in terms of trying to be everything to everybody but...

    My lab tech does not think it is "bad".

    But....my lab tech is NOT the person to whom Canonical was trying to encompass....

    The "rest of the world" really cannot care less about Gnome 3 or....even Linux for that matter....

    A "windows using lab tech person" "thought Gnome 3 is "ok" "..... but.... for all the thrashing around....

    Canonical has turned off a big bunch of Linux people and not attracted, at least as far as data goes, ANY Windblows people...

    So I quite agree....Gnome 3...

    what a waste of time, effort, motion, Emotion, and above all RESOURCES....

    woodlikesKubuntusmoke

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      #3
      Originally posted by Shimapan View Post
      It's not enough that they created the Gnome 3 shell which is a serious pain to use.
      As someone who has used several GUI's for Linux including Gnome Shell I seriously disagree with your statement here. Since Gnome 3.0 (Gnome Shell) was released I have been able to use it and various apps quite comfortably. It is a different way of using it to a GUI such as KDE (Plasma desktop) and you must remember that it is designed for touch screen devices (but also can be used with mouse/keyboard).


      Originally posted by Shimapan View Post
      Good grief... Gnone 2 was ugly, but it at least had a tiny shred of usability. Gnome 3 already started out on a very bad footing, being a huge pain to use - which is why Canonical hurriedly came up with Unity, to alleviate matters a bit. As it happens when you hurriedly come up with stuff, it was of course very buggy. At least they had enough sense to use Qt for it rather than crappy Gtk.
      Now, with every passing release, Gnome 3 is only becoming worse and worse all the time, and the developers become more arrogant all the time, with no improvement in sight.
      Gnome 2 is ugly? I think thousands of Gnome 2, Mate, Gnome Shell users would disagree with you there. I do agree that the Gnome developers appear to be "dumbing down" their GUI but remember it is designed for touch screens.

      Also Canonical did not come up with Unity because Gnome was a "huge pain to use", but Canonical came up with Unity because the Gnome developers did not give Canonical full control over its development (they told Mark Shuttleworth to [CENSORED] off!

      Originally posted by Shimapan View Post
      Thus, I find myself wondering... why are so many people still using this atrocious Gnome 3? Did long years of Windumb usage make them hardcore masochists? Do they think that an OS (or desktop environment) has to be a pain to use? Do they like being nannied by arrogant developers which tell them which features they may use, and how, and it reminds them of "good old Windows"? I really can't understand it.
      Gnome 2 and Gnome Shell (Gnome 3) does not look anything like Windows (even Windows 8) in fact the GUI that most resembles Windows Vista / 7 is guess what? KDE (Plasma desktop) so if anyone is wanting a GUI that reminds them of Windows then surely it is the KDE (plasma desktop) user?

      I love the whole Linux system and love the variety of GUI's you can use with it. I have used quite a few of the most common ones (KDE, Razor-QT, Mate, Gnome 2, Gnome Shell, XFCE, LXDE, Enlightment, Openbox) and I can tell you that none of them are perfect but all are easy to use and an enjoyment to use (at least I think so anyway).

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        #4
        yes, Gnome 2 is ugly but of course that is 100% subjective. It took Ubuntu's making it less ugly for it to be palatable and friendlier.

        I haven't tried Gnome 3.8 yet, but I did spend time with both Unity and the last Gnome 3, and though you can see the commonalities, there is something about Gnome 3 (to me, at least) that makes it feel a bit uncomfortable, clunky, off putting. I can't put my finger on it, and have not been able to actually define what it is that makes me feel this way in comparison to Unity. I am going to guess it may be the "polish" Unity has overall, maybe the little tweaks to a UI that might make things more inviting. It has nothing to do with features and options, or lack thereof. It could be my expectations for each; I was expecting Unity to be annoying and awful and Gnome 3 to be less so. I personally found the opposite to be true.

        As usual, in the end how much does it really matter? We can use whatever DE is the most comfortable for each of us. To be honest, I think I would consider installing Vista before Gnome 3, but again that is just me.

        I am considering using a different DE on my new-to-me HP 6000 Pro SFF, despite being a true-blue KDE/Lxde guy. It basically just runs XBMC for the most part, so overall the desktop ui is not terribly important. I am actually thinking of running Unity on it, which if I do so, will make it the first time I will have ever had an actual true Ubuntu install as the primary (or only) OS on my hardware :eek:

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          #5
          Originally posted by claydoh View Post
          I am actually thinking of running Unity on it, which if I do so, will make it the first time I will have ever had an actual true Ubuntu install as the primary (or only) OS on my hardware :eek:
          We'll leave the



          on for ya

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            #6
            I quite like Gnome 3 and Unity. I like Cinnamon and KDE a great deal too. I suppose I'm one of those people who can look at the blessing rather than the curse.

            But Gnome 2...sorry but I really never liked that. Always ugly, always a pain to configure. People say KDE has too many options, but at least with KDE you can see the options! In Gnome 2 you always ALWAYS had to dig under the hood to get something going. So to me on balance all the modern desktops are a massive step up imho.
            PUNCH IT CHEWIE!

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