The GTK/GNOME conspiracy

[Teunis]

http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/opinion/a...spiracy-theory

<QUOTE>Many developers feel that with the advent of GNOME 3, GTK has become deliberately developed as a GNOME-only tool, to the exclusion of its other applications.</QUOTE>

Am I happy with QT/KDE/Kubuntu!

[oshunluvr]

We need a reliable GTK to QT conversion program. There's a couple good GTK apps some folks would like for KDE...

[dmeyer]

http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/opinion/a...spiracy-theory

<QUOTE>Many developers feel that with the advent of GNOME 3, GTK has become deliberately developed as a GNOME-only tool, to the exclusion of its other applications.</QUOTE>

Am I happy with QT/KDE/Kubuntu!

Qt is in my opinion (mind you, I only have limited developer experience) a substantially superior toolkit especially when factoring in QML and QtQuick.

I still like that GTK is around though because competition is always good.

[tek_heretik]

Hmmm, interesting article, thanks for posting.

[HalationEffect]

To get an idea of the attitude of GNOME / GTK devs towards their users, check out the following 2 links:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485846

http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/...ing-in-threes/

The first link is especially telling (in particular comment #14)... even though a laptop on battery power is far more likely to be used outdoors, in high ambient light conditions, and the opposite is true for when a laptop is running on mains power, GNOME's power management will not permit the user to set a higher brightness when on battery power. It only allows either the same brightness or lower brightness.

Having a laptop's battery last a bit longer is not so useful if its screen is too dim to read. And yet the GNOME devs mark the bug as WONTFIX...

[dmeyer]

If only Qt's license was LGPL earlier on then we would have chrome/chromium, Firefox/Thunderbird, Inkscape, as Qt apps instead of GTK. Heck the Gnome project is the direct result of licensing concerns!

I'd even go as far as to say that if the license was LGPL earlier then LibreOffice might have even been QT on all the platforms instead of that awful VCL.

When it comes to serious, native, cross-platform apps there is no other toolkit except Qt. QML/QtQuick is going to be a seriously big game changer especially since people are becoming more and more aware of the serious draw backs associated with web apps and best of all QML can run in the browser! The iOS and Android ports are almost done. Ubuntu phone is QML based. Plasma Active is another great QML platform. Oh and lets not forget Maemo/Meego/Sailfish or BB10.

[jlittle]

To get an idea of the attitude of GNOME / GTK devs towards their users...

I've seen this too, with a GTK2 feature I sometimes use a lot with vim, tear off menus. GTK3 removed this, severely disappointing developments that had made extensive use of them. I watched a thread where the GTK guy was by turns dismissive, condescending, and arrogant, to those pleading for a feature essential to their designs. A while ago, now, before Qt was prominent. I wouldn't know, but I guess projects have stayed on GTK2, with its faults.
Regards, John Little

[dmeyer]

I've seen this too, with a GTK2 feature I sometimes use a lot with vim, tear off menus. GTK3 removed this, severely disappointing developments that had made extensive use of them...

Obviously they removed it! If its a feature it must be removed - that is the Gnome way!!!

[oshunluvr]

No kidding: They should just change the name of it to "Desktop for Dummies" because that's how they view their users.

[tek_heretik]

No kidding: They should just change the name of it to "Desktop for Dummies" because that's how they view their users.

That is why I finally switched to Kubuntu, Gnome (and its forks) was just way too trimmed down and dysfunctional, coming from Windows, which I have to say, the user can tweak and have a fair amount of control over almost everything (I am talking older Windows here, lol), KDE was a perfect replacement, being laid on top of Linux is a huge bonus too.