Haiku - Not a Linux distribution

[jpenguin]

It wasn't too long ago that S76 started shipping to other counties. And ZaReason started in berkly

[Shimapan]

Thats funny! I was looking at laptops today and I have no choice but to look at them with Windows 8... Windows 8 has no start button it does have a task bar if you know where to look.

Laptops with Linux preinstalled:
http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=nb&xf=26...&sort=p#xf_top

Laptops without OS preinstalled:
http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=nb&xf=26...&sort=p#xf_top

[SteveRiley]

Thats funny! I was looking at laptops today and I have no choice but to look at them with Windows 8... Windows 8 has no start button it does have a task bar if you know where to look.

Intuitively obvious item #1. Press the Windows key to get to Metro. Type, from memory, the name of anything you want, such as "command prompt."

Intuitively obvious item #2. Navigate your mouse to the monitor's upper- or lower-right corner to expose the Charms from the right side.

Intuitively obvious item #3. On a tablet, place your finger outside the display's left border. Swipe to the right, but only 1/3 of the way. Observe that you now run Metro and "classic" in dual panes. Observe furthermore that the left side shows thumbnails of each running Metro app.

Obvious, right?

[claydoh]

Ok, will these things run haiku??

[SteveRiley]

Oh, sorry, are we still discussing that?

[dibl]

Intuitively obvious item #1. Press the Windows key to get to Metro. Type, from memory, the name of anything you want, such as "command prompt."

Intuitively obvious item #2. Navigate your mouse to the monitor's upper- or lower-right corner to expose the Charms from the right side.

Intuitively obvious item #3. On a tablet, place your finger outside the display's left border. Swipe to the right, but only 1/3 of the way. Observe that you now run Metro and "classic" in dual panes. Observe furthermore that the left side shows thumbnails of each running Metro app.

Obvious, right?

Right.

Just about as obvious as the unix/Linux command line. :eek:

Once upon a time there was the Graphical User Interface, in which on-screen visual indicators allowed the computer user to navigate to the needed commands or software to perform useful tasks.

on-screen, Microsoft!

[SteveRiley]

Just about as obvious as the unix/Linux command line. :eek:

I dare say the Linux CLI is better. See for yourself:

steve@t520:~$ [B]what the frack do i do here?[/B]
No command 'what' found, did you mean:
 Command 'wcat' from package 'sac' (universe)
 Command 'chat' from package 'ppp' (main)
 Command 'jhat' from package 'openjdk-7-jdk' (main)
 Command 'jhat' from package 'openjdk-6-jdk' (universe)
what: command not found

[dibl]

Hah! Yes, or even just this:

don@imerabox:~$ help
GNU bash, version 4.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
These shell commands are defined internally.  Type `help' to see this list.
Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'.
Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general.
Use `man -k' or `info' to find out more about commands not in this list.

A star (*) next to a name means that the command is disabled.

 job_spec [&]                                                   history [-c] [-d offset] [n] or history -anrw [filename] or>
 (( expression ))                                               if COMMANDS; then COMMANDS; [ elif COMMANDS; then COMMANDS;>
 . filename [arguments]                                         jobs [-lnprs] [jobspec ...] or jobs -x command [args]
 :                                                              kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] pid | jobspec ... >
 [ arg... ]                                                     let arg [arg ...]
 [[ expression ]]                                               local [option] name[=value] ...
 alias [-p] [name[=value] ... ]                                 logout [n]
 bg [job_spec ...]                                              mapfile [-n count] [-O origin] [-s count] [-t] [-u fd] [-C >
 bind [-lpvsPVS] [-m keymap] [-f filename] [-q name] [-u name>  popd [-n] [+N | -N]
 break [n]                                                      printf [-v var] format [arguments]
 builtin [shell-builtin [arg ...]]                              pushd [-n] [+N | -N | dir]
 caller [expr]                                                  pwd [-LP]
 case WORD in [PATTERN [| PATTERN]...) COMMANDS ;;]... esac     read [-ers] [-a array] [-d delim] [-i text] [-n nchars] [-N>
 cd [-L|[-P [-e]]] [dir]                                        readarray [-n count] [-O origin] [-s count] [-t] [-u fd] [->
 command [-pVv] command [arg ...]                               readonly [-aAf] [name[=value] ...] or readonly -p
 compgen [-abcdefgjksuv] [-o option]  [-A action] [-G globpat>  return [n]
 complete [-abcdefgjksuv] [-pr] [-DE] [-o option] [-A action]>  select NAME [in WORDS ... ;] do COMMANDS; done
 compopt [-o|+o option] [-DE] [name ...]                        set [-abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o option-name] [--] [arg ...]
 continue [n]                                                   shift [n]
 coproc [NAME] command [redirections]                           shopt [-pqsu] [-o] [optname ...]
 declare [-aAfFgilrtux] [-p] [name[=value] ...]                 source filename [arguments]
 dirs [-clpv] [+N] [-N]                                         suspend [-f]
 disown [-h] [-ar] [jobspec ...]                                test [expr]
 echo [-neE] [arg ...]                                          time [-p] pipeline
 enable [-a] [-dnps] [-f filename] [name ...]                   times
 eval [arg ...]                                                 trap [-lp] [[arg] signal_spec ...]
 exec [-cl] [-a name] [command [arguments ...]] [redirection >  true
 exit [n]                                                       type [-afptP] name [name ...]
 export [-fn] [name[=value] ...] or export -p                   typeset [-aAfFgilrtux] [-p] name[=value] ...
 false                                                          ulimit [-SHacdefilmnpqrstuvx] [limit]
 fc [-e ename] [-lnr] [first] [last] or fc -s [pat=rep] [comm>  umask [-p] [-S] [mode]
 fg [job_spec]                                                  unalias [-a] name [name ...]                                   
 for NAME [in WORDS ... ] ; do COMMANDS; done                   unset [-f] [-v] [name ...]                                     
 for (( exp1; exp2; exp3 )); do COMMANDS; done                  until COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done                              
 function name { COMMANDS ; } or name () { COMMANDS ; }         variables - Names and meanings of some shell variables         
 getopts optstring name [arg]                                   wait [id]                                                      
 hash [-lr] [-p pathname] [-dt] [name ...]                      while COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done                              
 help [-dms] [pattern ...]                                      { COMMANDS ; }                                                 
don@imerabox:~$

What does Win 8 offer to the novice

[SteveRiley]

What does Win 8 offer to the novice

Well, since you ask...

C:\Users\steve>[B]help[/B]
For more information on a specific command, type HELP command-name
ASSOC          Displays or modifies file extension associations.
ATTRIB         Displays or changes file attributes.
BREAK          Sets or clears extended CTRL+C checking.
BCDEDIT        Sets properties in boot database to control boot loading.
CACLS          Displays or modifies access control lists (ACLs) of files.
CALL           Calls one batch program from another.
CD             Displays the name of or changes the current directory.
CHCP           Displays or sets the active code page number.
CHDIR          Displays the name of or changes the current directory.
CHKDSK         Checks a disk and displays a status report.
CHKNTFS        Displays or modifies the checking of disk at boot time.
CLS            Clears the screen.
CMD            Starts a new instance of the Windows command interpreter.
COLOR          Sets the default console foreground and background colors.
COMP           Compares the contents of two files or sets of files.
COMPACT        Displays or alters the compression of files on NTFS partitions.
CONVERT        Converts FAT volumes to NTFS.  You cannot convert the
               current drive.
COPY           Copies one or more files to another location.
DATE           Displays or sets the date.
DEL            Deletes one or more files.
DIR            Displays a list of files and subdirectories in a directory.
DISKCOMP       Compares the contents of two floppy disks.
DISKCOPY       Copies the contents of one floppy disk to another.
DISKPART       Displays or configures Disk Partition properties.
DOSKEY         Edits command lines, recalls Windows commands, and
               creates macros.
DRIVERQUERY    Displays current device driver status and properties.
ECHO           Displays messages, or turns command echoing on or off.
ENDLOCAL       Ends localization of environment changes in a batch file.
ERASE          Deletes one or more files.
EXIT           Quits the CMD.EXE program (command interpreter).
FC             Compares two files or sets of files, and displays the
               differences between them.
FIND           Searches for a text string in a file or files.
FINDSTR        Searches for strings in files.
FOR            Runs a specified command for each file in a set of files.
FORMAT         Formats a disk for use with Windows.
FSUTIL         Displays or configures the file system properties.
FTYPE          Displays or modifies file types used in file extension
               associations.
GOTO           Directs the Windows command interpreter to a labeled line in
               a batch program.
GPRESULT       Displays Group Policy information for machine or user.
GRAFTABL       Enables Windows to display an extended character set in
               graphics mode.
HELP           Provides Help information for Windows commands.
ICACLS         Display, modify, backup, or restore ACLs for files and
               directories.
IF             Performs conditional processing in batch programs.
LABEL          Creates, changes, or deletes the volume label of a disk.
MD             Creates a directory.
MKDIR          Creates a directory.
MKLINK         Creates Symbolic Links and Hard Links
MODE           Configures a system device.
MORE           Displays output one screen at a time.
MOVE           Moves one or more files from one directory to another
               directory.
OPENFILES      Displays files opened by remote users for a file share.
PATH           Displays or sets a search path for executable files.
PAUSE          Suspends processing of a batch file and displays a message.
POPD           Restores the previous value of the current directory saved by
               PUSHD.
PRINT          Prints a text file.
PROMPT         Changes the Windows command prompt.
PUSHD          Saves the current directory then changes it.
RD             Removes a directory.
RECOVER        Recovers readable information from a bad or defective disk.
REM            Records comments (remarks) in batch files or CONFIG.SYS.
REN            Renames a file or files.
RENAME         Renames a file or files.
REPLACE        Replaces files.
RMDIR          Removes a directory.
ROBOCOPY       Advanced utility to copy files and directory trees
SET            Displays, sets, or removes Windows environment variables.
SETLOCAL       Begins localization of environment changes in a batch file.
SC             Displays or configures services (background processes).
SCHTASKS       Schedules commands and programs to run on a computer.
SHIFT          Shifts the position of replaceable parameters in batch files.
SHUTDOWN       Allows proper local or remote shutdown of machine.
SORT           Sorts input.
START          Starts a separate window to run a specified program or command.
SUBST          Associates a path with a drive letter.
SYSTEMINFO     Displays machine specific properties and configuration.
TASKLIST       Displays all currently running tasks including services.
TASKKILL       Kill or stop a running process or application.
TIME           Displays or sets the system time.
TITLE          Sets the window title for a CMD.EXE session.
TREE           Graphically displays the directory structure of a drive or
               path.
TYPE           Displays the contents of a text file.
VER            Displays the Windows version.
VERIFY         Tells Windows whether to verify that your files are written
               correctly to a disk.
VOL            Displays a disk volume label and serial number.
XCOPY          Copies files and directory trees.
WMIC           Displays WMI information inside interactive command shell.

For more information on tools see the command-line reference in the online help.

[dibl]

OK, but HOW DID THE WIN8 NOVICE FIGURE OUT HOW THE HELL TO GET TO THE COMMAND LINE


Linux either boots directly into a tty console, or else every distro that I have seen puts a terminal icon on the desktop. Win 8 gives you Metro ....:razz::razz:

[SteveRiley]

Command lines are dangerous and must be hidden. The software knows more than the user.

[bsniadajewski]

I may be a fan of GUI's like KDE or even classic Windows GUI (95 through 7, weird putting 7 after 95), but I am definitely not afraid of using CLI's. I started out using MS-DOS from 3.3 through 6.22 (7 if you want to inclede the DOS coming with Windows 95 and 98). Not only that, the last couple distro version upgrades I did was through the CLI (either through Konsole or from recovery).

[claydoh]

Haiku has a terminal as well...............



Lolz

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[jpenguin]

Oh, sorry, are we still discussing that?

[bsniadajewski]

It must be the Crazy Train if we're going off the rails here.