Maybe it would be better yet to just leave these types of discussions off the forum all together. Somebody considering Kubuntu and coming here and seeing all of these types of posts probably would not have a good view of KFN or Kubuntu. Yes, I know the this forum is labelled Social/Casual, but these types of discussion tend to be antagonistic and inflammatory instead of social or casual.
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One of the intriguing aspsects about KFN is that our members can sustain disucssions such as these without lauching personal attacks. It's one of the many elements that attracts folks to join, stay, and participate.
I've quickly re-scanned the entire thread and, while some commenters have written strong opinions, I'm not seeing anything that would warrant closure. It is a rare occasion indeed when we need to do that -- and we will act quickly whenever required.Comment
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Originally posted by oshunluvr View Post
When the Mid-East oil gets cut off we'll find out why we were over there. But, it amazes me that Washington can't seem to see that money sent to Pakistan is funding the Taliban. My 11 year old grandson can see that, without any adult prompting.
THAT will be the biggest mistake Congress has been making since M. King Hubbert warned them in the early 1950s that we (the US) would peak in our oil production in 1970 and the world around 2005-2010. He was right on target on both estimates.But lets not invest in renewable energy and reduce oil consumption because the Bushes and their fellow carpet-bagger criminals haven't figured out how to rob the rest of us blind with it yet.
You aren't far off on your carpet-bagger assertion. In 1970 I lead one of two teams of college students in an investigation of Uranium pollution in the Shirley Basin of Wyoming. We didn't find any Uranium in the environment using Gallium scintillation detectors running for 24 hours on each sample. Since Uranium can be profitably extracted in concentrations as low as 1 ppm in water or soil I really didn't expect to find any pollution. But, I was unprepared to find what I did find. All those Uranium mines were owned by the Oil companies and companies which made the components for nuclear power stations. The "China Syndrome" killed their attempt to switch from oil to nuclear. Personally, I am glad they did fail.
The Koch brothers fund the Right. George Soros funds the Left. No difference, except that I also noted that the Koch brothers also:As far as Muslims go - I'm way more afraid of the far-right-wing pysco so-called Christians in this country that have taken over what's left of the Republican party - funded by the Koch brothers through the "Tea" party - than I am of any Muslims I've ever met or heard of. Obama is no better - tripled the military and has a death list on his desk.
FUNDING FOR NOVA IS PROVIDED BY DAVID H. KOCH, THE HOWARD HUGHES MEDICAL INSTITUTE, THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC ...
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http://jonathanturley.org/2012/07/30...uman-activity/
but they've always been on the wrong side of scientific debates!
Soros funded or funds several Left leaning websites. http://www.bloggernews.net/110504
The Saturday Night Live cast did a ridicule of him when they presented their view of the causes of the housing collapse, which I've linked to on another msg on this forum.Anyone who isn’t a total left-wing lunatic has known for years that George Soros is a bad guy. Not just because he does everything he can to undermine America and its traditions, but because he is quite literally a crook. In 2002 a French court convicted Soros of insider trading and the court’s decision was upheld in 2006.
Investor’s Business Daily recently wrote a multi-part expose on Soros and his growing influence in American politics. His fingerprints are literally on every major issue of the day from terrorism to global warming.
In the latest installment in the multi-part expose, Investor’s Business Daily exposes some pretty incredible information about where all his money is actually going.
Under the guise of “philanthropy,” Soros tends to fund pressure groups and foundations he misleadingly characterizes as promoting “civil society” and “democracy.” His view is that America needs to be knocked off its pedestal and he is willing to use “any legal means” necessary to make that happen.
He funds the now infamous MoveOn.org that recently called General David Petraeus a traitor, and he funds Media Matters which is an amazingly distorted far-left propaganda site.
When comparing temperaments and dangers from the extremes in this country it is always interesting to compare the YouTube videos of their various rallies and public events. Frankly, the Left scares me more, but not much. Videos of Tea Party events aren't even close to the chaos and destruction that graces many Leftist events. I suspect, however, that both sides are arming themselves to the teeth in expectation that the US will collapse economically and then socially, and the Federal government will impose martial law. Businesses selling weapons and ammo are doing a land-office business. AR-16 ammo is being shipped out in 1,000 and 10,000 round boxes. It's insane. The US Military ordered for 4.5 million rounds of dum-dum ammo, which is illegal for an army to use in combat, but not on their own civilian population. The Taliban can and will defeat the US military in Afghanistan, eventually, because of the rules of engagement imposed upon them and because of how the Quran is interpreted by them. The murder of our Lybian Ambassador over a stupid online video is just one of countless examples of how insane some (most?) members of that religion are. Don't expect the same rules of engagement to be applied here if worse comes to worse. However, the Taliban's success suggests that unless the tactics Hitler's SS used are used here by our military on our own people, our military has no hope of defeating American insurgent uprisings in this country either.
The Tea Party was created as a diversionary ploy by the main line Republicans to drain off conservative energy, and it has worked beautifully. When the "American For Prosperity" first set up their website I did a lookup on it to see who owned it. They were Tim Phillips and John Flynn, mainline RNC strategists. I did lookups on the other 30 or so webpages that were linked to the AFP (Doctors for Economic Freedom, etcc...) and all their domains were purchased by Phillips and Flynn. When that fact become common knowledge the sites were switched to anonymous hosting. Most of the Tea Party activities were funded, openly or privately, by health insurance companies and other major corporations with horses in the healthcare debate. Most Tea Party members are unaware of how they are being manipulated and diverted. They'll end up voting for Romney just because they are against Obama, not because Romney is something he isn't: a better choice.
Personally, I have no hope for this country unless and until there is a viable third party run by people with common sense and running right down the center of the Country's opinions. However, the Republicans are crazier the the Democrats are for the time being (the reverse of the 1980's) so I'm once again (seems this is always the case) voting for the least offensive candidate - Obama. Honestly, since I'm in California it doesn't matter much since the Republican party is all but gone out here.
It's either vote for Obama, Romney or a 3rd party write-in. All three choices stink. There are movements to reestablish Congress as the Founding Fathers intended, but it's going no where. I guess that drugs, parties and porn are more important. But, a lot of the Right is going to go with Romney or write in Ron Paul. The result will be that the votes against Obama will be split just the way they were split when Clinton was running for his second term. Clinton won with, IIRC, 42% of the total vote, the lowest winning percentage in history. Obama will win exactly the same way. If he wins the Left will cool its heels, but it remains to be seen if the Right's actions match its mouth. If he loses the Left will be in the same predicament that an Obama win puts the Right.
My hope is that common sense will prevail, and that all parties will understand that anger and violence does not benefit anyone. There is plenty of evidence in the 3rd and 2nd worlds of societies reducing themselves to poverty and ruin by resorting to violence.Last edited by GreyGeek; Sep 12, 2012, 10:14 AM."A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
– John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.Comment
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well like I said before there is a LOT of "projection" going on here.
Ummm what I forgot to mention in the original post was that I thought that neither of them would understand the movie because.....
neither of them has served in the military.
However, Obama has been almost totally in an academic environement whilst Romney has at least "rubbed elbows" with military people over a few decades.
lotta projection goin on.....
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GG: Very salient and complete as usual. I wish I had the time to do all the research and thought you put into your opinions. I suppose a popular uprising like those that occur every 50 years or so is upon us - I hope. I really hope my children don't have to live with continual decline of our country that I see over my lifetime.Comment
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woodsmoke: " ... well like I said before there is a LOT of "projection" going on here ... lotta projection goin on..... "
Just genuinely curious now ... second time you've used that phrase. While I certainly do understand the psychology definition of projection, I don't see here how you are using it, or to what you refer. Clarify?An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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While I understand that, look at it from the perspective of somebody just comming to KFN and/or Kubuntu? Not everybody on KFN is in the US or is interested in US politics. And while nobody is required to read this thread, it quickly rises to the top with all of the activity in it and it gives the impression that this is a politically charged board. I am not suggesting closing the topic. I am suggesting that in the future, political discussions should happen on politically oriented boards and not KFN. (Or maybe a sub-forum called Politics, Religion and other things my mother said not to discuss in public).Originally posted by SteveRiley View PostComment
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There is indeed a lot of projection going on. As I mentioned before, "rubbing elbows" with someone doesnt mean that they instantly share all of the other persons experiences. I have friends in the military, so does that mean that I know more about military than Obama??Originally posted by woodsmoke View PostComment
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And to follow on Qqmike's question. Woody, if you could explain why
matters, that might help us understand your point. Personally, I'm not convinced that military service is a requirement for someone to be an effective president. If it were, wouldn't that be listed as one of the qualifications in the Constitution?Originally posted by woodsmoke View PostComment
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My post here was meant to be in response to vw72"s Post #37 above. Somehow, I missed the intervening posts.
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Rites of passage? Gotta be tough to be on the cutting edge of Linux? If you can't take our politics, how you gonna take all the frequent software changes? is this a Missouri thing?
Just some possibilities. And ... just joking around with you :-)
Or, like a PBS preface: Caution, Adult material. May not be suitable for all family members.
Besides, come on, think about it. No one could ever possibly understand woody's cryptic posts, anyway ... and who but us would ever try, much beyond the first sentence or two?An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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Which is why we confine such topics to this single forum.Originally posted by vw72 View Post
Topics that rise to the top do so because they matter or are interesting to our members.Originally posted by vw72 View Post
The Social/Casual Talk forum serves this purpose already. We do not wish to cloak the existence of this forum, because one of the hallmarks of KFN is that we can have exactly these kinds of conversations in a civilized manner. Very few technical boards have managed to strike the balance that we have. It's one of the aspects that drew me here in the first place, and one of the aspects I -- and the rest of the administrators -- are proud of and intend to maintain.Originally posted by vw72 View Post
Having said that, your concerns are noted. While we have not received any reports of potential members who felt unwelcome because of the activity in this forum, we will ensure that shoud such a report occur, we'll help newcomers know that there is no requirement they participate in or read the Social/Casual Talk section. Just like one does not have to view everything on one's television, one does not have to read everything on KFN.Comment
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I was quite against allowing these discussions in here, quite vocally so I think.Originally posted by vw72 View Post
The discussions so far have proven me quite wrong in my fears so far. They have not degenerated into the sort of nasty polarized yelling and knee-jerk-ism I find on facebook and Google+, or anywhere there are comments allowed it seems.
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While I will agree that the Tea Party groups are mostly taken over by the RNC, it did not start out that way. I watched an early local meetup )I hesitate to call it a rally, not large or boisterous for that), and the only topic was the banks and the bailouts.
The right-ish began protesting them early on, so in a sense both that movement and the original Occupy one have the exact same root issue forming them. One was just before, the other was after.Comment
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Lol a catchall thread here
To muddy the Koch stuff even more...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80483.htmlComment
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For logical clarity,
My post #40 was meant to be in response to vw72's Post #37 above. Somehow, I missed the intervening posts. (Thus, in my #40, I was responding directly to vw72.)An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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