the futeristic design of Gnome 3

[bra|10n]

For GNOME 4.0 there will also be a GNOME SDK to ease development. GNOME 4.x will focus on both native applications as well as Web (hosted and packaged) applications.

These developers also are looking for hardware to be available with GNOME 4.x pre-installed. They want GNOME to explore hardware-related business models, cloud services, an App Store, and support / consultancy services in order to commercialize GNOME.

I'm guessing Red Hat's expertise and clout might be able to help Gnome achieve some of that...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTE0ODg

[bra|10n]

I beg to differ...

Don't assume the screenshots in the link posted by the OP refer necessarily to the desktop.
And with only fleeting references to Gnome3 (on the desktop), the images in the link show merely a re-designing of base Gnome apps.

Below is the first image from the link with a little GIMP lovin';



See where I'm comin from?

And now that Gnome3's base is supportive of both desktop and tablet/mobile interface's, I *expect* development efforts will center on the latter's design and implementation under the guidance and direction of Red Hat. One would expect Gnome3 on the desk to 'inherit' some of these changes and improvements as a matter of course, but IMO Gnome3 on the desk is nearly a baked product as it stands.

PS: One can always extract the humour from most Gnome dev statements, this one being no different...


How many green ones Allan?

Full story...

EDIT

While Allan might not know about the green ones, he certainly remembers how to tell the little white ones...

[whatthefunk]

I'm guessing Red Hat's expertise and clout might be able to help Gnome achieve some of that...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTE0ODg

I think the GNOME team is smoking crack. 20% market share by 2020? Hahahahahaha....



Hahahahahahahahaha.....hahahahahahahaha...



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!



Seriously, Gnome devs are wacko.

[bra|10n]

I think the dedicated Gnome2 users who toiled for years with the hicups on their desktops, filed their bug reports in good faith and waited patiently for the fixes now have genuine cause to be angry. With the announcement of Gnome3 came the justification that the changes were necessary, and that the rewrite promissed Gnome users much more was to come. As it turns out what the following actually got in Gnome3 was a prelude of Gnome4, an environment that was designed and always destined for the mobile and tablet market. You got to feel for the Gnome fanboys right now. Gnome3 is now essentially as good as it gets.

So how does one see Ubuntu's decision now to drop Unity 2D for Gnome Shell in 12.10 in respect of this? Trying to win back the disallusioned majority back to the fold? Or as device competitor keeping tabs on the moves of the competition?

[eggbert]

I think the GNOME team is smoking crack. 20% market share by 2020? Hahahahahaha....

I laughed when I saw that too. That's pure crazyness. Whenever I hear this kind of stuff I think "yeah right." It does not matter if Gnome makes the best OS ever, unless it comes pre-installed on computers it will never have any significant user share.

The reality is that 99% of users would never even think about installing an OS. I would guess that probably less than 25% of users even understand what an OS is.

Until a GOOD Linux distro ships on actual computers that people can buy like they can with Windows, Linux will continue to stick around the 1% or 2% market share.

[vw72]

I know it is the "in" thing to bash gnome and their developers, but if you actually look through a lot of the stuff on worldofgnome.org, especially as to the reasons why many of the changes are being made (particularly with nautilus/files), they do seem to know what they are doing. They even just released a draft of their new HIG for interface designs, and although incomplete at this time, again, they appear to be putting together a coherent look and feel for gnome.

Gnome may be alienating long term power users, but that is not really a growth market. I am currently involved with a large non-profit that is moving away from Windows and they have narrowed their desktop choices to gnome shell or Unity, with gnome shell leading in the test groups. To regular users coming from a windows world, those who mainly do office work and web, look and feel is an important issue. For them, they don't differentiate between Ubuntu or Fedora or KDE or Gnome. For them, what they see on the screen is linux and different desktops are different versions. I think that the gnome developers actually get this. Sure, they've made some missteps and some of the criticism is well deserved, but if they play their cards right, they may really achieve their market share and other goals. Heck, even Linus Torvalds has returned to using gnome-shell.

[pauly]

I hate dirty nasty displays. I do not want to put my fingers all over the display. I use Android with my business phone. Okay it works, but it's my phone. When I get home I want my computer.

[woodsmoke]

Hi
Again I point out the highly pregnant word at the top left of the original screen on a tab that says...."activities".

One thing that has been somewhat missing from the discussion is that the tablet relies on "wifi".

That implies that "at home" the user has "wifi" on a router.

Given that the great mass of people that, TO ME ......and ONLY in my perception, of people who are enthusiastically taking up tablets are....

young people, especially "students".....

That imples that...at home..... there might be a preponderance of routers that also do "wifi".

Now, yes, the student could hook up physically but...stillll

wifi? "activites" prominently displayed top left?

hmmmmmm

just thinkin.

woodsmoke

[woodsmoke]

vw72 wrote:

Gnome may be alienating long term power users, but that is not really a growth market.

tup!

woodsmoke

[kubicle]

Gnome may be alienating long term power users, but that is not really a growth market.

That sort of depends what you mean by growth, as the "power users" market is generally where you get new developers. And frankly, free software projects need developers more than they need users (of course getting more users usually translates to more new developers, but probably not if your target users are the "computer-illiterate").

There is nothing wrong in also serving the "computer-illiterate", but alienating the power users will effectively strangle your developer pool (I know, strangling a pool is somewhat hard :P).

[bra|10n]

Oh Allan, now it is the fault of everyone else...

But is Day actually describing fragmentation between versions of GNOME shipped within different Linux distributions? It seems this could be the case, since the solution itself--create a “pure” GNOME distribution--points to “impure” GNOME distributions as the cause to be fixed.

http://www.itworld.com/it-management...ev-environment

LOL.

The fact Ubuntu out-maneuvered Gnome and then implemented the best Gnome environment yet seen with the release of Ubuntu 9.04 seems to have left Allan somewhat disorientated.