We need wiretap-ready Web

[rms]

CNET learns the FBI is quietly pushing its plan to force surveillance backdoors on social networks, VoIP, and Web e-mail providers, and that the bureau is asking Internet companies not to oppose a law making those backdoors mandatory.

About which law are they speaking about? Full article

[ardvark71]

[GreyGeek]

So, to secure our freedoms they need to destroy our freedoms.

<sarcasm> Since this would destroy the Constitutional guarantee of privacy of my person and possessions from unreasonable search and seizure, why doesn't the FBI just have an old fashion Constitution burning and do the job right? </sarcasm>

I am old enough to remember Estes Kefauver and his anti-Mafia congressional activities. He got laws passed against organized crime (Mafia) but when it became apparent that the Mafia could hire better defense lawyers than the state's prosecutors, Congress passed the RICO Act, with the promise that it would ONLY be used against the Mafia. The RICO Act gives the prosecutors power to take the accused's financial assets BEFORE they are convicted of any crimes in order to make it difficult for them to purchase high-powered, expensive defense attorneys able to defeat prosecutors that try to convict criminals. RICO uses the old English law principal of "Guilty Property". It's a lot easier to defeat public defenders. Since RICO was passed it evolved into a method of funding used by police agencies all around the country. Each year over 10,000 people have the property stolen by police and never get it returned. This even applies to folks whose homes were raided by mistake. In several cases home owners hearing their front doors being broken down tried defending themselves and their property against what they thought were home invasion robberies, only to be gunned down by men with heavy weapons wearing black masks and shouting incoherently. It is also obvious that in several instances RICCO was used as a political weapon. http://www.independent.org/publicati...icle.asp?a=215 Even if you raid the wrong house the "Perp Walk" leaves the impression that the person in handcuffs are guilty of "something" or the police wouldn't have arrested them.

[woodsmoke]

And these people, White House, Congress, etc. .... legislators are the very people who protested SO LOUDLY when they were "students", in the sixties about Big Brother and privacy.

woodsmoke

[GreyGeek]

And these people, White House, Congress, etc. .... legislators are the very people who protested SO LOUDLY when they were "students", in the sixties about Big Brother and privacy.
...

That thought has occurred to me several times. Some of those students made the "Long March" through the institutions and popped out after a couple decades as administrators. A famous example of one is

William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born December 26, 1944) is an American elementary education theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as well as his current work ineducation reform, curriculum, and instruction. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communistrevolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombingpublic buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, in response to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.
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Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days.

I was teaching science and math at a mid-West college when some of those bombs went off. Ayers was lucky to get off because the FBI was using COINTEL against him ... stupid tricks like the ones they are trying to pull now with their ISP back doors, and all evidence against him concerning bombing events he was charged with were dropped without prejudice, despite the fact that he admitted to them. Fifteen years later my son ran into another "Long March"er at the Univ of Nebr. He told me of some experiences he had which would make you think that he had been transported to Nazi Germany in the 1930s and was being harassed by Brown Shirts.

[woodsmoke]

Great Post GG,

aahhhh "the long march"....don'tcha just LOVE those tres kewl names....

and those who do not know who Bill Ayers is should research the man and understand that he will next come after THEM! because they are not "extreme enough".

woodsmoke

[rms]

And these people, White House, Congress, etc. .... legislators are the very people who protested SO LOUDLY when they were "students", in the sixties about Big Brother and privacy.

woodsmoke

Yes, ain't it funny how currents of time imperceptibly change the nature of things, movements, people, anything...

[woodsmoke]

i agree only possibly this is more on the tragic side as opposed to funny.

woodsmoke

[rms]

i agree only possibly this is more on the tragic side as opposed to funny.

woodsmoke

We had elections here, the same people trying to get the power over others(well, that never changes) but using diametrically opposite rethorics i.e. lies when compared to what they have been speaking/promising some 10 years ago. Same parties, same people, but their *aims, outlook* etc. completely different from what I remember.

That's kind of funny. I don't vote.

[ardvark71]

We had elections here

Where is here?

Regards...

[rms]

Where is here?

Regards...

Dark side of the Moon.

[GreyGeek]

We had elections here, the same people trying to get the power over others(well, that never changes) but using diametrically opposite rethorics i.e. lies when compared to what they have been speaking/promising some 10 years ago. Same parties, same people, but their *aims, outlook* etc. completely different from what I remember.
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Exactly the same thing is happening here in the US, by members of both parties. They seem to rely on their hope that the American people are too distracted from politics by money, movies, drugs and porn to think seriously about the future of this country. There has been little change and no hope.

I plan to vote anyway, but not for either a Dem or a Rep. A pox on both their greedy houses.

[blobfish]

I plan to vote anyway, but not for either a Dem or a Rep.

Right there with yah. Anybody that thinks they are getting represented by either party is either:
Exceedingly rich and will get a nice return on their campaign investment.
or
Ignorant of reality.

[SteveRiley]

their hope that the American people are too distracted from politics by money, movies, drugs and porn

As if our politicians themselves aren't already distracted by these very same vices

[dancingmadrb3]

I say let em come, the more people they arrest the faster the prisons will fill, the faster the prisons will fill the more prisons they will need, the more prisons they need the more chance one of those prisons falter and revolution will be born.