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    Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

    These are not "reviews" they are BIG PICTURE comments.., I'd like to get comments going if possible.

    A) In my humble opinion, both Gnome3 and Unity have a "hidden agenda" that is not discussed much maybe outside the developer's IRCs etc. If there are ARTICLES on this I would greatly appreciate having links so folks could see them.

    But....I think that the "hidden agenda" is that both approaches are intended to provide, as well as possible, an "interface" that can be used on all hardware platforms from the smart phone to the desktop or a wide screen t.v.

    a) Both of them provide LARGE displays of stuff like

    i) In Unity when one clicks the little Ubuntu icon on the top right in Unity, one gets a "folder" that covers half of the screen with very LARGE icons for, say, "internet apps". When one clicks that one gets normal sized icons in a very LARGE folder display.

    ii) in Gnome 3 when one clicks "applications" one gets a full screen display with even LARGER icons for ALL the applications, one can click a menu at the side that give a group like "internet apps" and gets in a folder type display large icons to click. Just think the "gnome menu" writ VERY large!

    b) Both provide an easy to see and workable approach to "multiple desktops". And in both cases the way to work with the desktops is "scalable" so it can be used from a cell phone sized screen to a desktop.

    i) Unity provides an icon in the bar on the left with "four screens" on it, if one clicks near the middle, one gets all four screens as large screens, covering about a fourth of the main screen.

    ii) Gnome3 provides the "bar" at the right which is partly hidden which shows the "desktops" as "windows" and a new window appears when one activates a "new" app such as firefox. The new app is in it's own new window and one can move it to another window or add other apps to it. A new empty window is provided below the windows that are being used.

    In other words Unity provides four desktops as a default and Gnome3 provides them "on demand".

    iii) Both provide, without a settings situation, the option of having an app on one or multiple desktops.

    iv) BOTH allow one to easily DRAG an app from one window to the other to create "workspaces"...

    B) Two oddments of comments.

    i) Unity has a REALLY new feature in that when Firefox is opened......The FIREFOX BAR....history, favourites etc. is in the UNITY PANEL!!! This reduces the "real estate footprint" of the browser...

    And....I'll just make a wager of a rum 'n coke in the tiki bar.... that if this works.....then a LOT of apps that have a relatively simple menu bar will have the menu bar moved to the Unity Panel. One problem, of course, being that if you have three things going at once which goes to the panel and which don't or do they all go there...don't know...

    ii) If one buys into either of them as full time ways to doing things, especially the Gnome3 shell, things like Cairo dock and Docky will be kind of like "clutter" However, given that, Unity will be easiest to have something like Cairo dock on it because of the bottom and right sides of the screen being empty. Gnome3 will just be.... don't know..

    iii) For folks with tired old eyes like me, both of them provide a very easy to see display on a regular desktop.

    soooo comments from others that have used them or any article on the web about them being "scalable"?

    woodsmoke

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    Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

    Here ya go buddy :

    http://www.romaco.ca/blog/2011/01/19...nit-will-suck/
    http://amplicate.com/hate/unity
    Unity interface is useless!!
    Unity Made me Leave
    Unity interface sucks
    Unity, the most terrible Linux experience of my life
    WARNING: Ubuntu Natty release SUCKS! If you have Lucid, stay with it!
    http://www.opiniond.com/2011/05/5-re...y-unity-sucks/
    http://jaderobbins.com/2011/04/hate-...buntu-classic/
    http://www.flynsarmy.com/2011/04/why-i-hate-unity/
    ....

    It's 2 AM here, I'll give you more articles tomorrow :P
    ASROCK Z87 Pro4 - i5 4670K - R9 270x ☞ Triple Boot: KDE NEON ★ Windows 10 ★ Windows 7

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      #3
      Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

      Hi ubuntuku

      thanks very much for the linkys but what I am particularly wanting is if there are any that discuss, specifically, and in detail the possible idea that both of them are aiming for cross hardware platform functionality.

      There are several mentions of it "being for laptops or netbooks" but I'm thinking it would be good down to smart phone size..

      But the more linkys the better
      they will give a better idea of why people like one or the other. As is apparent from some of the titles!

      BTW here is an indication of the LARGE SIZE....of the "menu boxes"

      [img width=400 height=299]http://www.flynsarmy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Unity-Startbar.png[/img]

      woodsmoke

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        #4
        Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

        My humble opinion is that everyone is bashing Unity...and what can I say, it's not as customizable as gnome in older releases but in a world where old die you have to be in constant update...and this means Unity this time.

        I think Unity is not as bad as they say...Im using Ubuntu 11.04 and well I like it, of course everything is changed and I noticed some lag because of the graphic card use on whatever I do but...I will just stick with it and wait till 11.10 cause I think Unity as an interface Is a good idea but not a polished product yet...it needs feedback from users..and I think11.10 Oneiric Ocelot will be the one to finish that job.

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          #5
          The "aginners' are ....wrong.... Unity IS tweakable!

          Just write me down an ass....as Polonious, I think said.

          Cairo Dock installs cleanly from the repos.

          And....when it is started........."the black box is GONE"....

          However, the "left panel" DOES NOT GO AWAY...it is "minimized" to the left and at the bottom left is the old single "four panel desktop" as in the previous iterations of Ubu however

          as opposed to a "different app" on each window.....Cairo Dock is, indeed on all of the desktops.

          Clicking "show desktop" produces the Unity desktop with the left panel.

          I'm sure I'll get some flames over the above, but as opposed to certain of the linkys above, one can have his desktop and eat it ...oop...ummmm well not eat it too....but you get the idea..! lol

          woodsmoke

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            #6
            Bingo! from Canonical itself smartphone up

            Found this at DW this morning.

            With Unity, users can personalise their PC by adding and accessing applications

            in a way that's become familiar and proven popular in the smartphone and tablet market.

            The same Ubuntu 11.04 interface can be used on any machine or any screen, on netbooks, notebooks or desktop PCs.
            When the "computer in a phone" finally arrives....

            Or the "laptop keyboard and monitor with phone attached" ...

            if the hardware manufacturers have any sense at all they will always have two versions of a piece of hardware whether it be a phone or a desktop..

            a) the Windblows version so that a person can run some kind of software that is tied directly and only to the Windblows platform.

            b) the Linux version that anybody with any sense uses.

            http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?is...110509#feature

            woodsmoke

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              #7
              Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

              One situation wherewith a LOT of people are going to have "problems" with Unity.

              There are a lot of "tweaky" apps that either work partially or don't work at all. People who like to "fiddle" with their desktops love these things and just about anybody that uses Linux fiddles with at least one of them.

              I quite realize that most people have moved past xmms2 but it is kind of a "bellweather" for me.

              Xmms2, of course, works fine, but only one of the graphical interfaces work "completely" as a default. Some don't work at all, that means that a NEW user who happens across it, will find it well....lacking...and yes the GUIS have always had "problems" but they were finally fixed for one of them last year...

              Avant Window Manager works, but some of the apps don't, again, this has happened before but the functionins subset seems much smaller.

              gdesklets has four apps that work. gdesklets kind of went into abayance a couple of years ago but there "were" quite a few desklets that did work, not now.

              SuperKaramba applets, again, some of them work, and some of them don't like the weather applet(s) such as Liquid weather. A "weather" applet is one of the first things that most people put on their desktop.

              Another SERIOUS problem is that some of the applications "run" but they are nowhere to be seen on either of the bars. An example is xmms2tray, which runs, but it appears ON the desktop, not the either bar and it then disappears....

              For somebody that is used to seeing an app appear on a bar....this will be disconcerting.

              Superkaramba does appear, on the left bar but when it is clicked instead of "maximizing" the app...it goes away! what?

              The problem here is that.... IN MY OPINION....I think that there are going to be a LOT of programs that, unless a LOT of people step up to get onboard are going to be useable only in tweaked distros like Kubu, etc.

              And THAT means.....that since Canonical is going to want to install straight Ubu Unity on a hopefull hundreds of thousands of computers....., the new user, straight from windblows, will be stuck with a very reduced set of workable "tweaky" apps, when at the same time they SEE the cornucopia of stuff in the installer..

              And yet again, they will say.....Ubu is not ready for prime time... all those apps and only part of them work.

              HOWEVER....it "might" be that the "2d" version of Unity would allow more of these to work, don't know.

              Any opinions on whether the developers for the "tweaky" apps will even want to fiddle with Unity?

              woodsmoke

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                #8
                Unity Deal Breaker doesn't work with Koffice

                I'll have a somewhat more complete writeup about Unity soon it has several quirks and several advantages, but this is a deal breaker for me.

                One cannot enter text into a Koffice application and then do anything to manipulate the text. One cannot even move the cursor.

                A related item to this is when filling out a "form" online it is very hard to get the cursor to "engage" with "boxes" in online forms to fill out, as in the school's grading system.

                If anyone has contrary experience to this PLEASE post it and let's visit about how things can be reconciled.

                To me....and this is just me.....but for Canonical to let this out the gate and not be completely on board with Koffice is just a mind boggling thing.

                If it is that Canonical tried to work with the KDE apps people and the KDE apps people didn't want to or whatever then I can see that.

                But if it is any other scenario....Like Koffice wanted more time to "get compliant" or Canonical wouldn't provide "handshaking help"...

                Then that would mean that Canonical has decided to pick and choose which apps will work maybe to streamline Canonical's work in terms of having a "uniform product".....and thereby leave all the other apps out in the cold, in other words, not working with Canonical's "flagship" distro.

                I don't know that I particularly like the idea if that is correct....

                So, I would like opinions on that also.

                woodsmoke

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                  #9
                  Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

                  As a mostly Desktop/laptop user I'll stick with KDE. Personally have no need for menus as such unless it is something like XMBC which at that point that kind of interface makes since. For desktops/laptops that are used mainly for higher end functions (IMO) then that type of interface can be clunky. If you are gearing for low end systems and smartphones and such then maybe I can understand that but not as a default for higher end systems. Again, IMO. My .5 cent worth.

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                    #10
                    Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

                    Yes, in the battle between Unitty and Gnome-Shell I have also decided to go with...KDE. Both of the Gnome desktops look good, but were hard for me to get used to, especially after using KDE, Windows, and Gnome 2 desktops for so long.

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                      #11
                      won't mention the distro but gnome 3 is only partially workable

                      Personally, I think that Gnome3 is a great idea but there are really basic things in the particular version I'm testing that just don't work.
                      File manager is the main one.
                      woodsmoke

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                        #12
                        Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

                        Ya know....the old woodsmoker really is a numbnut....

                        One of the Keweler things that I liked about Unity was the "pager" which is a nice large box with (in my case) four desktops on it.

                        Ummmmm Cairodock presents precisely the same thing. What a numbnut I am.

                        woodsmoke

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                          #13
                          Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

                          Sorry to be digging up an old thread here but was thinking along these very lines only today...
                          The BIG PICTURE is what I wanted to expand on, so here are my thoughts.

                          Now I don't profess to know the reasoning behind Unity but my sneaking suspicion is that "Ubuntu" became tired of a number of issues with Gnome.
                          I believe that a fair amount of time and energy went into polishing Gnome2 as we saw it on Ubuntu, whether that was a case of 'not fit for consumption' in its vanilla state or simply the Ubuntu-desktop layer I'm not sure.
                          The second issue seems to revolve around a lack of commitment and innovation. I believe not much actually changed with Gnome2 in the 8-10 years after its release. I remember contributing to a bug discussion on 'Create New', being the right-click menu option in Gnome, which seems to make this case.
                          Years of discussion, insight gained and insight lost...
                          Links for those interested,
                          https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41787
                          https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131793
                          https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=565050

                          I even tried the '100 Papercuts' initiative with this one,
                          https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpa...32/comments/63

                          As has been noted, both gnome shell and unity are much the same. Different, but the same.
                          The retaining of gnome_classic by some distro's heartened those users who wouldn't accept either new desktop.
                          I question though for how much longer will gnome_classic remain supported? Usable? And by who?

                          So where does all of this leave Linux? In a better position to move forward in the future?
                          It should mean a greater offering from Linux, more choices and options should it not?

                          I think Canonicals decision to adopt a default Unity approach is a good one. I see the decision to make Gnome_shell also available in the repo's as the strategic blow to other distro's and possibly the death knoll for a number of Linux flavours. And will Ubuntu do to Fedora what Mint did to Ubuntu?

                          Would this also be good for Linux?
                          Will this benefit the likes of e17, openbox, xfce etc,

                          I really don't know.
                          However the most important question IMO is what does the future hold for Gnome?
                          Kubuntu 12.04 - Acer Aspire 5750G

                          "I don't make a great deal of money, but I'm ok with that 'cause I don't hurt a lot of people in the process either"

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                            #14
                            Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

                            Hi Bra|10n

                            Thank you very much for that reply, I, personally, think that if more people would share their knowledge, as you have done, that such info would supply insight for people in their decision making.

                            I was planning to make a post in this thread in the next few days because I lately installed the latest iteration of Ubu Unity and although it is relatively quick and responsive, and Cairo Dock now does not have "cross purpose" issues with the bar on the left.... This in contradistinction to Unity on other distros which were very laggy and had rendering problems with another complex item, like Cairo that was on the destkop.

                            But, even given that....I just do not like it.

                            just my opinion and I'm stickin' to it! (for now at least! )

                            woodsmoke

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                              #15
                              Re: Gnome3 and Unity desktops compared BIG PICTURE.

                              I've tried Unity just recently. To me just another interface. It was easy to use and find what I needed. Over all though it seemed lacking. I have my preferences to what I like in an interface and it just isn't. KDE4, to me, still holds the flame high above others. JMO. But, I agree that with KDE, Unity, Gnome, XFCE, Fluxbox, etc., etc., there are choices that should fit just about any user. That is more than what the other camps offer, no choice.

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