Limewire shut down.

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This news is not terribly important to me, as I don't use the service anyway, but I just hate to see anything that removes a service from the internet because a group like RIAA wants it removed. I can agree with removing or blocking things like child pornography, or sites that are dangerous to national security, but Limewire did not do anything like that, they just allegedly cost some greedy people with some lost income.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/20889...rmanently.html

[rfakhrai]

Re: Limewire shut down.

P2P networks are becoming a thing of the past. Soulseek can't afford to keep its servers running reliably anymore. This is the new web, I suppose. Now we wait for torrents to come under attack.

[Detonate]

Re: Limewire shut down.

Yes, and now that RIAA has this ruling under their belt, the attacks on all of the P2P sites will move even faster.

[dibl]

Re: Limewire shut down.

"Wait" for torrents to be attacked?

A friend in Canada pointed me to his ISP's (think "Bell") "terms of service", for a typical home connection. The word "torrent" does not appear, per se, but using your connection to run a torrent is pretty clearly outside their rules, and they don't promise NOT to use deep packet inspection to catch you at it.

http://internet.bell.ca/index.cfm?me...content_id=938

Read the fifth bullet, re: " ... unauthorized linking or framing."

[rfakhrai]

Re: Limewire shut down.

You're right dibl, there is no protection for torrenting currently. But I suspect that P2Ps were easier to bring down because of their centralized nature. So far, I've seen a few private TV and music torrent trackers in Canada taken down but it's not nearly a dent in the system as a whole.

I really hope I'm not jinxing myself here. :-X

[GreyGeek]

Re: Limewire shut down.

P2P is being replaced by decentralized, encrypted and packet masked sharing. The ISPs can't block sharing without blocking everything.

Do you feel like an American Indian yet? The Sioux, for example, roamed the plains freely and had their own culture and laws long before the White man came. When the White man moved in he used his superior military firepower (and later numbers) to trespass and subjugate the Indians. This after the Indians kept the first Pilgrims from starving to death for three years.

From then till now America has made, IIRC, 52 treaties with the various Indian nations and has unilaterally broken each and every one. What was called the "Great American Desert" contained a region called the Black Hills. The Sioux were "given" that land and the area around it for perpetuity in an 1868 treaty. (Perpetuity, it turns out, meant until a prospector found Gold in the those hills.) Other tribes were put in other concentration camps in other areas of that desert, land which the Whites thought wasn't good for anything... until oil was found under it.

I first learned about these affairs from, from the Indian POV, from a full-blooded Sioux Shaman who lives next door to me. The view we were taught about the Indians is best exemplified by that movie about Custer, the one staring Errol Flynn. For 158 years the Blackfeet have been seeking justice and they recently settled for $1.4 Billion distributed to their 300,000 tribe members, at $4,666 each (isn't that a poor settlement? Compare that with the Billions investment bankers stole from the US), and another $2 Billion to buy back lands taken from them. If the land averages $1,000/acre they'll be able to buy 3,125 sq miles of land in and around the Black Hill, which could be a square 56 miles on a side. Some land in NW Nebraska is on the market for $450/acre. That could mean that the amount of land in a buy-back could be equivalent to 100 miles on a side .

There is a move underway to carve out of the Black Hills and hundreds of square miles around it as a separate Sioux nation: http://www.republicoflakotah.com/ste...e-for-justice/. I expect that an independent Sioux nation, the Republic of Lakotah, will soon form a couple hundred miles North West of here, and further communications with the US government won't be done through "Indian Agents", but with ambassadors. I also expect that the Republic of Lakotah will be a signature to the UN, and invite UN peace keeping troops to secure its borders.

American tax payers paid for DARPA's work, which was to develop a network connecting military bases and academic institutions which could survive natural or nuclear disasters. It led to the Internet, also the property of the American taxpayer, and the people in the various nations which extended it into their countries. The corporate ISPs were access ramps to the Internet. Like the immigrants after the pilgrims, the various corporations began using the Internet. And, like the immigrants, they began using their superior (legal) firepower to force both the ISPs and the users to play by rules which they could create and modify on a whim to suit their profit goals. They are literally making up laws by using the sparse legal definitions in the copyright, patent and DMCA laws, and their financial, legal, and lobbying power. They can and do send cease and desist letters to ISPs and folks concerning material over which they have NO ownership or other legal interests in! Pure hutzpah! But, if you aren't a millionaire what are you to do? After getting dozens of these "small fry" victories they "establish" a legal precedent which they use as a hammer in bigger victories. Also, it has given the giant ISPs the idea that they "own" the internet and can unilaterally decide who gets the fast packets and who gets the slow ones, based on their own profit interests. Don't expect the law or the courts to help you any more than they helped the Indian.

[kyonides]

Re: Limewire shut down.

I guess, that'd also mean that anyone trying to create a substitute for the www or http will get a cease and desist letter so they can keep control over the internet...

[woodsmoke]

Re: Limewire shut down.

P2P is being replaced by decentralized, encrypted and packet masked sharing. The ISPs can't block sharing without blocking everything.

Do you feel like an American Indian yet?

BRAVO GREY GEEK!!! HANDS CLAPPING HERE!!!!!

woodsmoke

[Detonate]

Re: Limewire shut down.

More news on this subject.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20023915-93.html

[claydoh]

Re: Limewire shut down.

I am not crying for the loss of limewire. In my personal experiences, a vast majority of the viruses people I personally know have contracted seem to have come from files gotten from their.

Anyway, we can always go back to usenet and private ftp servers, the way we used to get our, um, goods (except with broadband instead of dialup of course)

[Detonate]

Re: Limewire shut down.

Well, someone has pirated Limewire.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20...?tag=mncol;txt

[Snowhog]

Re: Limewire shut down.

Once a thing is put on the 'Net, it's there - some where - for ever. As long as computers exist, and as long as they have access to the 'Net, availability remains, if not in one fashion, then in another.

[Detonate]

Re: Limewire shut down.

And this proves your point.

[GreyGeek]

Re: Limewire shut down.

The latest events instigated at the request of RIAA and MPAA: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3114763.0