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    We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

    Some random discussions around the coffee table popped an idea into my head.

    More and more old people use computers. They use it to keep in touch with their families and friends, they use them for surfing, for writing, for watching photos, for paying bills and so on. Now, not all old people are engineers, in fact many of them have trouble even using a modern phone. They see the computer as a tool, not a toy, so they are not inclined to spend a lot of money on it. This is a growing market segment that the major players on the market are missing.

    So, I think, would it be a good idea to make a Linux dist for old people? I think so. What would be different?

    * Take physical limitations into account. Large fonts, slower double clicks (if double clicks are to be used at all), less sensitive mouse, high visibility color schemes, less need for accurate mouse movements and so on.
    * Made for people not used to computers. That means keeping it simple. I would suggest a desktop somewhat like the ones on the netbooks. Perhaps full screen GUI's to minimize window management.
    * Include suitable software by default, with ease of use taking precedence over features.
    * Safe. Make it hardened so that security threats are not a problem.
    * Make it easy to set up. They will most likely be installed by people with little or no computer experience, so "Insert CD and follow instructions, no technical questions", or relatives with less than stellar motivation. This also means removing some possibilities, such as dual booting.
    * Internationalization. Don't expect them to know English, so this is very important.
    * Not to hardware-demanding. Any cheap crap computer should do it.
    * Very easy to add users. If used at retirement homes, it should not require specialist support.
    * Possible to lock down so that system settings can't be change, essentially turning it into a somewhat more open kiosk.
    * Help. Ample help texts and guides. Also some introduction guides, in text or, even better, as video, for somple tasks such as "How do I use email?" or "How do I use the web?".

    Basically, it's not that far from a somewhat differently configured education distro.

    So, what do you say? Is it a good idea? I think it's an idea that might give people a more active old age, rather than slowly growing into vegetable waiting to die.

    #2
    Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

    Yeah, we already have it: Kubuntu 8.04.3
    Just lay on an old-folks setup package to do the fonts thing etc.

    An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles Bukowski

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      #3
      Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

      But you can't expect the elderly to be able to set that up or have tech savvy relatives... i think a separate distro would be a good idea...
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        #4
        Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

        Being in that bracket of users the two biggest problems I have are visual acuity and hand shaking. Most of my dependents have those problems and some have one more -- extremely poor memory.

        Visual acuity:
        I set up their desktop and applications (mostly FireFox, ThunderBird and OpenOffice) for the font size they want, and I teach them how to zoom in and out. I need reading class to see the display properly but the real problem is floating bodies in the vitreous humor. Glasses don't help and if one has recent sudden movements or bending or stooping they get stirred up and it is almost impossible to read because they have a habit of floating right in front of what you want to read.


        Shakiness:
        Increasing the time between double clicks doesn't help. The problem, for example, is holding the mouse on a button long enough to "simultaneously" click it. The act of pressing the (in my case) right index finger triggers a shake which moves the mouse before the mouse-down event fires. Ditto for mouse-up events. Drag & drop is problematic if shaking is too severe. So, mouse acceleration settings should be reduced or eliminated. IF I've done recent physical exertion which makes the muscles of the hands and arms feel even more shakey, the problem is much worse.


        Memory:
        Put notes plasmoid on the screen with reminders of how to do certain things. The problem with that is that they forget to consult the notes, or they forget the things the notes refer to. "What is a 'dialog' again?". I've come close to telling a couple of them to take up another hobby and give the computer to the grandkids.


        "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
        – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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          #5
          Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

          As usual, GreyGeek hit the nail on the head, visual acuity being a big one. A good ophthalmologist will recommend two pairs of reading glasses, a lower power for arms-length reading of the screen and a higher power for close-up reading a book or hard-copy notes alongside your PC. A real PITA. Font size (=> larger!) is a necessity at times, and sometimes a better font style is easier to read (=> less work!). Zooming works wonders. Reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one dealing with the floaters (which that good ophthalmologist will tell you is normal, assuming no other major issues in the retina), can also be another PITA. Blinking helps As for memory changes, funny how that creeps up on ya, too. Forty-three years ago, I was dancing to Bobby Vinton's Blue Velvet with my Jr High sweetheart at a party, and I can remember in extreme detail what she wore and how her bony shoulders and thin waist felt against my hands. But I can't remember certain things that happened yesterday, or for that matter, sometimes, where I put something an hour ago. -- " Hope this helps" ?
          An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles Bukowski

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            #6
            Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

            (Is it a sign that I spend too much time on computers?...)

            There is a program/package called Eldy - http://www.eldy.eu/

            It has a Linux compatible version and runs under Java - http://deb.vegans.it/

            I've tried it in both Windows and Linux.

            It is possible to buy a "simple computer for the elderly" - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...ly-online.html . Which as largely just an overpriced computer with Eldy installed.

            BUT... IMHO... Eldy is garbage
            "A problem well stated is a problem half solved." --Charles F. Kettering
            "Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple."--Dr. Seuss

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              #7
              Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

              I am a 68 year old hypertensive diabetic. I wear tri-focals. The most important feature for me is zoom. I like the way that when I zoom a page (using compiz) and zoom it, the zoom level is remembered the next time I visit that page. I have all of my fonts set to Arial Bold. That helps a lot.

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                #8
                Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

                But you can't expect the elderly to be able to set that up or have tech savvy relatives... i think a separate distro would be a good idea...
                Yep. Just install and go. It's aimed at less tech savvy people, it shouldn't require a lot of configuration. Preferably, the installation should just be a few steps:

                * What's your name?
                * What do you want to name the computer?
                * Where are you (for time zone)?
                * Password?

                The rest should be automatic. Just do a full disk partitioning, no fancy stuff. Have a simplified package manager which only displays "usable packages", ie packages which are programs which are directly installed and usable, not support packages and libs and stuff which are usually only installed as dependencies. A full set of typical applications preinstalled. A program menu that is less fidgety (I've seen people with lacking coordination/fine motor skills navigate an ordinary start menu, and it ain't pretty). Clear descriptions of what program does, for instance "Browse Internet - Firefox", instead of cryptic names only (If you are not used to computer, what's a Firefox?). A folder system for documents already set up and applications configured to use it. Help information wherever possible, on screen or as automatic popups.

                Remember, physical limitations is one obstacle. Another obstacle which is as important is that many have never used a computer before, so computer jargon and supposed background knowledge must be exorcised. What the user needs to know should be right there on the screen, or easily available in an obvious way.

                Then we have the WIIFM (what's in it for me). We need to show them why they would benefit from this gadget, why it's good for them. This is mainly psychology and packaging, not a technical issue, but it is important.

                Increasing the time between double clicks doesn't help. The problem, for example, is holding the mouse on a button long enough to "simultaneously" click it. The act of pressing the (in my case) right index finger triggers a shake which moves the mouse before the mouse-down event fires. Ditto for mouse-up events. Drag & drop is problematic if shaking is too severe. So, mouse acceleration settings should be reduced or eliminated.
                Hmm, some ideas are popping into my head.

                * Reverse mouse acceleration, which more or less inverts the acceleration curve. Fast movements are slowed down, slow movements are kept normal, instead of the typical fast movements are accelerated, slow movements are kept normal. That would act as a damper, and reduce shakiness.

                * One could take it one step further and even filter out very rapid movements of less than, say, 5 pixels completely.

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                  #9
                  Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

                  Yep. Just install and go. It's aimed at less tech savvy people, it shouldn't require a lot of configuration. Preferably, the installation should just be a few steps:

                  * What's your name?
                  * What do you want to name the computer?
                  * Where are you (for time zone)?
                  * Password?
                  Yeah, but later the elderly people will start calling their (grand-)children to get some help with the computer because they forgot their password... even if it was the name of their pet... So would it be necessary to offer them the possibility to autologin to their system?
                  Multibooting: Kubuntu Noble 24.04
                  Before: Jammy 22.04, Focal 20.04, Precise 12.04 Xenial 16.04 and Bionic 18.04
                  Win XP, 7 & 10 sadly
                  Using Linux since June, 2008

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                    #10
                    Re: We have a dist for kids/education, but what about the elderly?

                    Good point. Perhaps something easier than a password, even if it means lower security? Selecting a sequence of images? Show five pages of 16 images each (never repeating the same image), and on each page, one image is selected?

                    Or, as you say, just autologon.

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