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    What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?


    I've read that Linux Mint is Kubuntu with all the restricted stuff as standard, has anybody here tried it?
    Which begs the question why can't the restricted stuff be installed into Kubuntu by just answering a simple question during the installation process. I believe something like that would make life so much easier for the newbies out there. Any thoughts?
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    Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

    *ubuntu chooses to not include 'by default' any 'non-open source' packages. But holding to the ideal of "it's the users choice," these packages can be gotten and installed. Yes, it makes it "not as simple" for newbies, but that's just the philosophy of Canonical (not to make things harder, but to create distros using open-source resources).
    Windows no longer obstructs my view.
    Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
    "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes​
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      Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

      Originally posted by Snowhog
      *ubuntu chooses to not include 'by default' any 'non-open source' packages. But holding to the ideal of "it's the users choice," these packages can be gotten and installed. Yes, it makes it "not as simple" for newbies, but that's just the philosophy of Canonical (not to make things harder, but to create distros using open-source resources).
      Well surely they can do both, make it simple to update and supply a 100% open source iso package. I want Kubuntu to become a serious contender to Vista and I believe that would a major factor in winning people over.
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        Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

        Originally posted by tomp01
        Well surely they can do both,
        Yes, they could, but that isn't Canonical's philosophy.
        Windows no longer obstructs my view.
        Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
        "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes​
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          Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

          Originally posted by Snowhog
          Originally posted by tomp01
          Well surely they can do both,
          Yes, they could, but that isn't Canonical's philosophy.
          Have you tried Linux Mint?
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            Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

            Yes, for just a few minutes, from a LiveCD. I didn't care for it.
            Windows no longer obstructs my view.
            Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
            "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes​
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              Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

              Well surely they can do both,
              Why wait for them to do it? You can do it yourself.

              As luck would have it I have just cooked myself a Kubuntu 8.04 with skype, java, fonts, medibuntu stuff and some games. Put on top of that a beautifully customised KDE to create your own distro (just change usplash, grub and kdm images) and all that below 1GB, meaning it is small enough to put on a 1GB install/live stick

              You do not have to adhere to Canonical (just as they don't adhere to Debian). It is all perfectly legal depending on the licenses in your country.

              On a different note, Canonical sell codecs to keep everybody happy (well, not everybody, only those kill-all let's-sue-the-arse-off-the-small-competition Microsoft/USA patent laws), check their online shop.
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                Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

                I thought standard *ubuntu wasn't ALL open source, but rather like toad said, didn't include some codecs and the like that are not legal everywhere... most of the wireless modules are not open source, correct?

                Edit: Gobuntu is the totally free and open source variant.
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                  Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

                  Originally posted by toad

                  Why wait for them to do it? You can do it yourself.

                  The point I am making is that if Linux Mint can come with all the restricted stuff installed, why can't Canonical at least make the process easier for the new guy with Kubuntu? This is the reason that people are tempted to use Ultamatix rather than the repositories and Medibuntu, I want Joe Public to use Kubuntu and this would be a step nearer to making that happen. I do my best to spread the word around and I find that new users all have the same problem, not everybody wants to go onto forums to get the answers.
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                    Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

                    @ kjjjjshab

                    Thanks for mentioning Gobuntu - I noticed them only when Stephen Fry referred to them on GNU's 25th anniversary

                    @ tomp01

                    Canonical has already done a lot for the noob, simply amazing. I for one don't blame them for not wanting to tread on anybody's toes. As I said: they do offer proprietary codecs for sale on their website so anyone can go and pay their €30 and be done with it.

                    Alternatively, this is open source and you can cook up whatever you like, give it to your friends who will think you are at least a demi god

                    Over and out.
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                      Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

                      Originally posted by toad

                      Alternatively, this is open source and you can cook up whatever you like, give it to your friends who will think you are at least a demi god

                      Over and out.
                      At work I have convinced several people to use Kubuntu and showed them how to set up codecs, Flash, fonts, Medibuntu etc.
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                        Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

                        Way to go, tomp01
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                          Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

                          Originally posted by toad
                          Way to go, tomp01
                          Looks like I'm not the only one that has been thinking about this, I think the easiest thing would be a link that details the steps needed to include extras whilst installing Kubuntu.


                          http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/316/


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                            Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

                            Originally posted by tomp01
                            Originally posted by toad
                            Way to go, tomp01
                            Looks like I'm not the only one that has been thinking about this, I think the easiest thing would be a link that details the steps needed to include extras whilst installing Kubuntu.


                            http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/316/
                            Something like this maybe?

                            http://appnr.com/package/kubuntu-restricted-extras

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                              Re: What is the diifference between Linux Mint and Kubuntu?

                              Ubuntu cannot legally incorporate a feature to "manage" restricted formats such as mp3, mpeg, etc etc. In order for them to do this they would have to pay for licenses which translates to us paying for an operating system. Afterall, the Ubuntu website does a great job of instructing exactly how to add the medibuntu repositories to your source list. I knew nothing about the terminal when I first switched to Ubuntu and the website instructions were so clear that after twenty minutes I was playing my mp3 library through totem.
                              This is taken from one of those links you posted and expresses perfectly what I meant.

                              There is, of course, kubextra and automatix and at least a dozen other tools and even on the brainstorm this issue is marked as solved by the easy-codec-installation function (whatever that is).

                              It all comes down to: If you want any of those on the install CD you've got to cook your own for reasons stated above.

                              Or am I STILL not getting you? If not, keep on plugging away
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