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**rab0171610** · Jun 08, 2022, 09:22 PM

sudo apt-mark hold snapd
should do the trick. I don't know anything about pinning and prioritizing with regard to apt. I have always just purged snapd and all of its installed apps first, then the above command to have apt to never install snap or snaps and never had any problems.
I think the other method is messy and unmanageable.

**rec9140** · Jun 09, 2022, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by rab0171610 View Post

sudo apt-mark hold snapd should do the trick.

Nope.. That has NEVER WORKED on 20.04, or 22.04... it will attempt to sneak it back in again.....

Originally posted by rab0171610 View Post

I don't know anything about pinning and prioritizing with regard to apt. I have always just purged snapd and all of its installed apps first,

This is my 22.04 test box for some things, and it was cleansed on install ready to do some test on a piece of software I use that had a huge bug fix for me, and it reinfects the machine....

Originally posted by rab0171610 View Post

then the above command to have apt to never install snap or snaps and never had any problems.
I think the other method is messy and unmanageable.

That command has never worked on any package I've tried it with, never, from 8.04 on.. only thing that works and blocks or holds stuff is the files in preferences.d/ otherwise they just come back or try to install... now I' have to manage by hand even more the packages on my other 22.04 box...

I think there is something shady going on, as any other package and that works, EXCEPT snadp! I picked about 5-6 random packages out, all fail to load...

Checked my earlier BASE VM image of 22.04 and that block file, WORKS... something changed.. either in apt or something...

**Bings** · Jun 09, 2022, 07:53 AM

I followed this guide which involved modifying files in that folder. It didn't work and the firefox updates auto installed the snap version. I disabled the automatic firefox updates in the browser and I have done "sudo apt-mark hold" on both snapd and squashfs-tools. It has been fine since.

**oshunluvr** · Jun 09, 2022, 09:34 AM

Did you try correctly setting PPA Priority using the Mozilla Team PPA for FF?

I suspect that anytime a package that requires snapd is updated or installed, it will draw snapd back in.

https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forum/...-without-snapd

**rab0171610** · Jun 09, 2022, 11:03 AM

https://techwiser.com/remove-snap-ubuntu
I basically follow the above steps and have never had snap try to reinstall. I am not using firefox ppa's but installing manually as per instructions on how to install firefox in linux, step 4. I update in the app by going to about firefox tab and do not use apt or repositories to update. I have never had any problems with apt trying to reinstall snap programs or snap itself on either release of Kubuntu. It also works fine on NEON.

**rab0171610** · Jun 09, 2022, 11:16 AM

I suspect it will only get worse over time and with each new release more and more of the system will be snaps by default, like pulseaudio/pipewire, plasma, etc. Best to be looking for alternatives while you can in case you want to jump ship.

**Bings** · Jun 09, 2022, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by oshunluvr View Post

Did you try correctly setting PPA Priority using the Mozilla Team PPA for FF?

I suspect that anytime a package that requires snapd is updated or installed, it will draw snapd back in.

https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forum/...-without-snapd

I followed your instructions, it didn't work for me. I don't know why

Code:

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ apt policy firefox [/COLOR]
firefox:
 Installed: 101.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.22.04.1~mt1
 Candidate: 101.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.22.04.1~mt1
 Version table:
    1:1snap1-0ubuntu2 500
       500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy/main amd64 Packages
*** 101.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.22.04.1~mt1 900
       900 https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/mozillateam/ppa/ubuntu jammy/main amd64 Packages
       100 /var/lib/dpkg/status[/FONT]

**claydoh** · Jun 09, 2022, 12:46 PM

did you remove ALL snap and snapd-depending packages, such as plasma-discover-backend-snap

Code:

~$ apt-rdepends -r snapd
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree        
Reading state information... Done
snapd
 Reverse Depends: gnome-software-plugin-snap (3.36.0-0ubuntu3)
 Reverse Depends: livecd-rootfs (>= 2.664)
 Reverse Depends: plasma-discover-backend-snap (5.18.4.1-0ubuntu1)
 Reverse Depends: python3-ubuntu-image (>= 1.9+20.04ubuntu1)
 Reverse Depends: snap-confine (= 2.44.3+20.04)
 Reverse Depends: snapd-xdg-open (= 2.44.3+20.04)
 Reverse Depends: ubuntu-core-launcher (= 2.44.3+20.04)
 Reverse Depends: ubuntu-core-snapd-units (2.44.3+20.04)
 Reverse Depends: ubuntu-snappy (2.44.3+20.04)
 Reverse Depends: ubuntu-snappy-cli (2.44.3+20.04)
 Reverse PreDepends: chromium-browser (80.0.3987.163-0ubuntu1)
 Reverse PreDepends: cyphesis-cpp (0.7.0~snap1)
 Reverse PreDepends: ember (0.8.0~snap1)
 Reverse PreDepends: lxd (1:0.9)
 Reverse PreDepends: maas (1:0.6)
 Reverse PreDepends: snapcraft (3.0ubuntu1)
gnome-software-plugin-snap
livecd-rootfs
 Reverse Depends: python3-ubuntu-image (>= 1.11+20.04ubuntu1)
 Reverse Depends: ubuntu-defaults-builder (>= 0.57)
python3-ubuntu-image
 Reverse Depends: ubuntu-image (= 1.9+20.04ubuntu1)
ubuntu-image
 Reverse Depends: livecd-rootfs (2.664.41)
ubuntu-defaults-builder
plasma-discover-backend-snap
 Reverse Depends: plasma-discover-backend-snap-dbgsym (= 5.24.5-0xneon+20.04+focal+release+build57)
 Reverse Depends: plasma-discover-snap-backend (5.18.4.1-0ubuntu1)
plasma-discover-backend-snap-dbgsym
plasma-discover-snap-backend
snap-confine
snapd-xdg-open
ubuntu-core-launcher
ubuntu-core-snapd-units
ubuntu-snappy
ubuntu-snappy-cli
chromium-browser
 Reverse Depends: chromium-browser-l10n (>= 80.0.3987.163-0ubuntu1)
 Reverse Depends: chromium-chromedriver (>= 80.0.3987.163-0ubuntu1)
 Reverse Depends: gnome-core (1:3.30+2)
chromium-browser-l10n
chromium-chromedriver
gnome-core
 Reverse Depends: gnome (= 1:3.30+2)
gnome
cyphesis-cpp
 Reverse Depends: cyphesis-cpp-clients (>> 0.7.0~snap1)
 Reverse Depends: cyphesis-cpp-mason (>> 0.7.0~snap1)
cyphesis-cpp-clients
cyphesis-cpp-mason
ember
lxd
 Reverse Depends: adapt (1.5-0ubuntu1)
 Reverse Depends: lxd-client (>= 1:0.9)
 Reverse Depends: lxd-tools (>= 1:0.9)
adapt
lxd-client
lxd-tools
maas
 Reverse Depends: maas-rack-controller (= 1:0.6)
 Reverse Depends: maas-region-api (= 1:0.6)
maas-rack-controller
maas-region-api
 Reverse Depends: maas-region-controller (= 1:0.6)
maas-region-controller
snapcraft
 Reverse Depends: snapcraft-examples (>= 3.0ubuntu1)
 Reverse Depends: snapcraft-parser (>= 3.0ubuntu1)
snapcraft-examples
snapcraft-parser

**rab0171610** · Jun 09, 2022, 09:09 PM

As well as the snap cache

Code:

sudo rm -rf /var/cache/snapd/

**rec9140** · Jun 10, 2022, 06:52 AM

OK.. THIS IS A BUG!

See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...t/+bug/1978125

and

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phase...in-21-04/20345

The SOLUTION FOR NOW IS:

Create a file to turn on this new "feature" and

Code:

sudo nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20phased-updates
/ Never include phased updates
APT::Get::Never-Include-Phased-Updates "0";

Save and then

sudo apt-get update

Run a test on the inoculation:

sudo apt-get -s install snapd

Success! or well really failure, it CAN NOT infect with snapd!

Enjoy being free of snapd infection!

**rec9140** · Jun 10, 2022, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by claydoh View Post

did you remove ALL snap and snapd-depending packages, such as [FONT=monospace]plasma-discover-backend-snap

Yes, my first steps on creating a install is to cleanse the infection of snapd, all directories of it are removed...and all snaps....

**rec9140** · Jun 10, 2022, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by oshunluvr View Post

Did you try correctly setting PPA Priority using the Mozilla Team PPA for FF?

I suspect that anytime a package that requires snapd is updated or installed, it will draw snapd back in.

https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forum/...-without-snapd

I am NOT USING a PPA/alternate repo for FF. I pull the DEB's from some place else by hand and either dpkg -i or QtApt install them.. I don't live by the must update FF or anything really the second there is an update... updates OS or otherwise are done on MY TERMS AND TIME FRAME...

I might look into one which is packing up current releases of FF in DEB format in a repo for updating in the future.. but that requires a testing phase and right now I've got other projects that are higher priority.. updating one piece of software because in this the sky is falling mode is not one of them... Too many people from winslopper land getting their panties too knotted up. Actually this is under review on if we plan to use a repo that is putting a DEB back or setup something to do this via the TGZ from Mozilla.. plus and minuses on both paths... but that needs review...

**rec9140** · Jun 10, 2022, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by rab0171610 View Post

I suspect it will only get worse over time and with each new release more and more of the system will be snaps by default, like pulseaudio/pipewire, plasma, etc. Best to be looking for alternatives while you can in case you want to jump ship.

I think you are correct, that much like the poettering infestation that took root, and now this, and eventually wayland... I use the interval release between each ESR to know what I have to fix for the next ESR for new boxes/VM/containers.... Maybe if the push back continues and grows on snaps there will be less inclination to enforce more adoption. They are already using their brigades of devotees to squash any posts in places with down votes etc. if you don't support the infestation.

Not sure where I would jump ship to .... although its on the radar.. but when you take the hard rules, KDE AND Debian based.. that narrows the field....using real base Debian, is non starter for me due to the DFSG, and thats why Kubuntu is used.. it de'DFSG's Debian... thats a lot of work that would get dumped on me...

i have a feeling that very soon things are going to get frozen for me... as I do not intend to accept a NON X11 world.. I use X11 Forwarding etc. in a MASSIVE WAY, and there are no SIMILAR REPLACEMENTS.. We/I rejected all these heavy VNC like setups for a reason...

I think this could derail very hard way off this issue as my views on this are pretty hard core and way tangential to this bug......

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