Mozilla to make Snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu 21.10

[SuperSapien64]

Sorry if I'm putting this in wrong place.

In Ubuntu 21.10 Mozilla will have Firefox as a Snap. Will Kubuntu 21.10 do the same?


https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/09/...1+Ubuntu%21%29

[acheron]

In Ubuntu 21.10 Mozilla will have Firefox as a Snap. Will Kubuntu 21.10 do the same?

No....

[SuperSapien64]

No....

Thank goodness I hope you're right.

[jglen490]

no....

yay!!!

;d

[verndog]

As a test, I purged default FF on ubuntu, then copied the "firefox-92.0.tar.bz2" to "/opt", created a ".desktop" file, and it worked perfectly without either .deb or Snap.

[Beerislife]

As a test, I purged default FF on ubuntu, then copied the "firefox-92.0.tar.bz2" to "/opt", created a ".desktop" file, and it worked perfectly without either .deb or Snap.

That's what I did for Thunderbird 91.1.1 in KDE Neon. It picked up my profile and I just carried on where I left off with TB78...

[SuperSapien64]

I just checked the Discovery Software Center on Kubuntu 20.04.3 and I found to versions of Firefox and one of them was the Snap version. I certainly hope this doesn't mean that Kubuntu 22.04 will be using the Snap version of Firefox by default?
Because if yes I won't be able to use Firejail with Firefox.

[GreyGeek]

Here are the packages on my system installed via snap or flatpak

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#000000]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ [B]snap list[/B] [/COLOR]
[B]Name               Version                     Rev    Tracking       Publisher     Notes[/B] 
core               16-2.51.4                   11606  latest/stable  canonical[COLOR=#18b218]✓[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]    core [/COLOR]
core18             20210722                    2128   latest/stable  canonical[COLOR=#18b218]✓[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]    base [/COLOR]
core20             20210702                    1081   latest/stable  canonical[COLOR=#18b218]✓[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]    base [/COLOR]
gnome-3-28-1804    3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67  161    latest/stable  canonical[COLOR=#18b218]✓[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]    - [/COLOR]
gtk-common-themes  0.1-52-gb92ac40             1515   latest/stable  canonical[COLOR=#18b218]✓[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]    - [/COLOR]
obs-studio         27.0.1                      1258   latest/stable  snapcrafters  - 

[COLOR=#000000]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ [B]flatpak list[/B] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][B]Name                                        Application ID                                     Version        Branch       Installation[/B][/COLOR]
Steam                                       com.valvesoftware.Steam                            1.0.0.71       stable       system 
Freedesktop Platform                        org.freedesktop.Platform                           21.08.2        21.08        system 
i386                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.Compat.i386                              21.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.1.7         20.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.2.1         21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-390-144                        1.4          system 
default                                     org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.default                             21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.nvidia-390-144                      1.4          system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              20.08        system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              21.08        system 
openh264                                    org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264                  2.1.0          2.0          system 
Freedesktop SDK                             org.freedesktop.Sdk                                20.08.15       20.08        system 
GNOME Application Platform version 40       org.gnome.Platform                                                40           system 
Breeze Gtk theme                            org.gtk.Gtk3theme.Breeze                                          3.22         system 
Physics                                     org.sugarlabs.Physics                              35.1           stable       system
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I installed FireFox 92 using muon. Some packages are in Disover and some are in Muon.

[verndog]

Here's mine:

$ snap list
Command 'snap' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install snapd
$ flatpak list
Command 'flatpak' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install flatpak

[Beerislife]

Here's mine:

$ snap list
Command 'snap' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install snapd
$ flatpak list
Command 'flatpak' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install flatpak

I get exactly the same output! I wonder why! ����������

[acheron]

I certainly hope this doesn't mean that Kubuntu 22.04 will be using the Snap version of Firefox by default?

If as is planned Canonical completely remove the the .deb builds of Firefox from the Ubuntu archive so they are unavailable to us, what do you suggest we do instead?

[GreyGeek]

Well, I decided to return to sub 10 second boot to login times and purged snapd from my system. Here is the result

:~$ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 3.110s (kernel) + 2.825s (userspace) = 5.936s
graphical.target reached after 2.811s in userspace
jerry@jerry-aspirev3771:~$ systemd-analyze blame
1.957s smartmontools.service
1.098s udisks2.service
976ms rsyslog.service
750ms dev-sda1.device
431ms gpu-manager.service

[GreyGeek]

Getting rid of snap in KDE Neon 5.22.5 was easy. Removing flatpak is not:

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#000000]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ flatpak list [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][B]Name                                        Application ID                                     Version        Branch       Installation[/B][/COLOR]
Steam                                       com.valvesoftware.Steam                            1.0.0.71       stable       system 
Freedesktop Platform                        org.freedesktop.Platform                           21.08.2        21.08        system 
i386                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.Compat.i386                              21.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.1.7         20.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.2.1         21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-390-144                        1.4          system 
default                                     org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.default                             21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.nvidia-390-144                      1.4          system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              20.08        system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              21.08        system 
openh264                                    org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264                  2.1.0          2.0          system 
Freedesktop SDK                             org.freedesktop.Sdk                                20.08.15       20.08        system 
GNOME Application Platform version 40       org.gnome.Platform                                                40           system 
Breeze Gtk theme                            org.gtk.Gtk3theme.Breeze                                          3.22         system 
Physics                                     org.sugarlabs.Physics                              35.1           stable       system

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After a few "flatpak remove xxxx" I was left with:

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ flatpak list        [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][B]Name                                        Application ID                                     Version        Branch       Installation[/B][/COLOR]
Freedesktop Platform                        org.freedesktop.Platform                           21.08.2        21.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.1.7         20.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.2.1         21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-390-144                        1.4          system 
default                                     org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.default                             21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.nvidia-390-144                      1.4          system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              20.08        system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              21.08        system 
openh264                                    org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264                  2.1.0          2.0          system 
Freedesktop SDK                             org.freedesktop.Sdk                                20.08.15       20.08        system 
GNOME Application Platform version 40       org.gnome.Platform                                                40           system

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and I don't think removing any of those would leave a workable system. I'm going to give it a go, but I know that I will lose my nvidia install. IMO, flatpak is more insidous that snap. In my old Kubuntu 20.04 install I used 15 appimages. More than likely I will end up on Mint KDE.

[SuperSapien64]

@ GreyGeek & acheron

Aren't Firefox updates always a little behind schedule on Kubuntu like by at least a couple of days to optimize it for KDE Plasma?

[Bings]

Getting rid of snap in KDE Neon 5.22.5 was easy. Removing flatpak is not:

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#000000]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ flatpak list [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][B]Name                                        Application ID                                     Version        Branch       Installation[/B][/COLOR]
Steam                                       com.valvesoftware.Steam                            1.0.0.71       stable       system 
Freedesktop Platform                        org.freedesktop.Platform                           21.08.2        21.08        system 
i386                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.Compat.i386                              21.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.1.7         20.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.2.1         21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-390-144                        1.4          system 
default                                     org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.default                             21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.nvidia-390-144                      1.4          system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              20.08        system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              21.08        system 
openh264                                    org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264                  2.1.0          2.0          system 
Freedesktop SDK                             org.freedesktop.Sdk                                20.08.15       20.08        system 
GNOME Application Platform version 40       org.gnome.Platform                                                40           system 
Breeze Gtk theme                            org.gtk.Gtk3theme.Breeze                                          3.22         system 
Physics                                     org.sugarlabs.Physics                              35.1           stable       system

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After a few "flatpak remove xxxx" I was left with:

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ flatpak list        [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][B]Name                                        Application ID                                     Version        Branch       Installation[/B][/COLOR]
Freedesktop Platform                        org.freedesktop.Platform                           21.08.2        21.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.1.7         20.08        system 
Mesa                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default                21.2.1         21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-390-144                        1.4          system 
default                                     org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.default                             21.08        system 
nvidia-390-144                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.nvidia-390-144                      1.4          system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              20.08        system 
Intel                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel                              21.08        system 
openh264                                    org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264                  2.1.0          2.0          system 
Freedesktop SDK                             org.freedesktop.Sdk                                20.08.15       20.08        system 
GNOME Application Platform version 40       org.gnome.Platform                                                40           system

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and I don't think removing any of those would leave a workable system. I'm going to give it a go, but I know that I will lose my nvidia install. IMO, flatpak is more insidous that snap. In my old Kubuntu 20.04 install I used 15 appimages. More than likely I will end up on Mint KDE.

This article explains what they are all about and how to clean them https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/0...-runtimes.html